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| Sean Elkins |
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:32 am |
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What's the general rule of thumb about pack weight and boot selection? I
have two pairs of boots at fairly extreme ends of the spectrum--on the
light end I have a wonderfully comfortable pair of Lowa Altair
all-terrain trail shoes. On the other end I have a pair of Vasque
Sundowner GTX heavy stiff leather traditional hiking boots.
Where's the generally accepted cutoff pack weight where I really need
the stiffer leather boot? Given a choice, I would prefer the Lowas, but
not at the expense of my ankles.
I'm hoping a reply from someone will save me from having to learn by
trial and error.
Thanks in advance,
Sean |
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:31 am |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:32:04 -0500, in rec.backcountry Sean Elkins
<sean_elkins@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: What's the general rule of thumb about pack weight and boot selection? I
have two pairs of boots at fairly extreme ends of the spectrum--on the
light end I have a wonderfully comfortable pair of Lowa Altair
all-terrain trail shoes. On the other end I have a pair of Vasque
Sundowner GTX heavy stiff leather traditional hiking boots.
Where's the generally accepted cutoff pack weight where I really need
the stiffer leather boot? Given a choice, I would prefer the Lowas, but
not at the expense of my ankles.
I'm hoping a reply from someone will save me from having to learn by
trial and error.
Thanks in advance,
Sean
No matter what the pack weight I wear running shoes but if the pack is more then
30 pounds I do use superfeet custom insoles. |
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| Robert Haar |
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:37 am |
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On 2006/3/26 12:32 AM, "Sean Elkins" <sean_elkins@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Where's the generally accepted cutoff pack weight where I really need
the stiffer leather boot? Given a choice, I would prefer the Lowas, but
not at the expense of my ankles.
There is no single answer for this - too many other variables such as your
own level of fitness, the type of terrain, etc. You are likely to get
answers that range from "I always go barefoot" to "I always wear concrete
overshoes." Personally, I use lightweights for day trips or overnights on
easy terrain and heavy full leather boots for an serious trails or extended
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| Puppet_Sock |
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:25 pm |
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Sean Elkins wrote:
[what boot?]
For me, it depends on the expected condition of the trail much more
than pack weight. If it's going to be a really easy, level, smooth
trail,
then I'm inclined to go for the lightest footwear I can get. The more
difficult the trail, the more rocks, the steeper, the more likely I
want
a tough pair of boots.
Socks |
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| john smith |
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:34 pm |
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Instead of thinking strictly of pack weight, think in terms of percent
of body weight.
A 30 pound pack on a 200 pound body (15%) is significantly different
from a 30 pound pack on a 100 pound body (30%).
15% body weight can handle lighter shoes while the 30% body weight would
probably want the support of heavier boots with a shank in the mid-sole. |
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| the Moderator |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:40 am |
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"john smith" <jsmith@net.net> wrote in message
news:jsmith-D296AC.12335601042006@network-065-024-007-027.columbus.rr.com...
Quote: Instead of thinking strictly of pack weight, think in terms of percent
of body weight.
A 30 pound pack on a 200 pound body (15%) is significantly different
from a 30 pound pack on a 100 pound body (30%).
15% body weight can handle lighter shoes while the 30% body weight would
probably want the support of heavier boots with a shank in the mid-sole.
I prefer to think that if I am five miles from the nearest road I want to do
everything I can to minimize the risk of ankle injury.
I don't know what appeal sneakers have over boots. They aren't any more
comfortable to me. Less comfortable over uneven ground for long periods of
time. They are lighter, but if walking in boots is too physically taxing,
perhaps overall conditioning is the problem. |
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| john smith |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:42 pm |
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In article <1LGdnT6RqcI0iqzZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
"the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com> wrote:
Quote: "john smith" <jsmith@net.net> wrote in message
news:jsmith-D296AC.12335601042006@network-065-024-007-027.columbus.rr.com...
Instead of thinking strictly of pack weight, think in terms of percent
of body weight.
A 30 pound pack on a 200 pound body (15%) is significantly different
from a 30 pound pack on a 100 pound body (30%).
15% body weight can handle lighter shoes while the 30% body weight would
probably want the support of heavier boots with a shank in the mid-sole.
I prefer to think that if I am five miles from the nearest road I want to do
everything I can to minimize the risk of ankle injury.
I don't know what appeal sneakers have over boots. They aren't any more
comfortable to me. Less comfortable over uneven ground for long periods of
time. They are lighter, but if walking in boots is too physically taxing,
perhaps overall conditioning is the problem.
For me it depends on the terrain. Rocks are definitely boots. Dirt
trails, depending on vertical challenges, could be either one. |
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| Martin Thornquist |
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:21 am |
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[ the Moderator ]
Quote: I don't know what appeal sneakers have over boots. They aren't any more
comfortable to me. Less comfortable over uneven ground for long periods of
time. They are lighter, but if walking in boots is too physically taxing,
perhaps overall conditioning is the problem.
My boots are somewhat stiff (La Sportiva Makalu) because I use them
for ice climbing, glacier and scrambling (that's the kind of mountain
trips I like). On easy ground and if the temperature allows I much
prefer sandals. Different terrain and pack weight makes for different
demands on the footwear -- in the mountains I'll use the big boots,
but on easy trips in the forest I might opt for good hiking shoes or
sandals.
Martin
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| Jrobb |
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:52 am |
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One issue for me boots vs. running shoes, is my feet suck. They are
so particular in what fits them. I just spent 2hrs at REI trying on
about 10 pairs of hiking boots and only 2 were even close to fitting
well. I prefer to hike in a new pair of running shoes...unless it is
wet and raining. 2 seasons ago, my GF, myself and some friends did a
couple of 14'ers (White Mtn. and Mt. Langley in CA) All I wore was a
pair of Nike Air Alvords. They fit my feet like a glove from the
instant I put them on. Both ascents were 12+ miles up and back. and
the Mt Langley trek ended up being 19 mi. (from base camp to summit
back to trailhead). Before the trip we climbed bottom to top of Mt
Diablo (CA bay area) begining elev 500ft to sumit 3800ft) three times
over a period of weekends each 14 mi/day...with 20lb pack. The Langley
and White mtn trip saw a 50lb pack on Langley and 30 lb pack on White.
The shoes are still in use today however, they have just now become
uncomfortable and show little signs of comming apart. The terrain they
have seen...rocky fire roads, dinnerplate granite chunks, granite
scree, soft meadow sand...I chose them in particular for their sole
tread and fit. Best 60 bucks I ever spent. (Me...I'm 6'3" 195)fwiw.
I wear them to work often too (at work I walk about 3miles/day).
My ankles never seemed to be my weak point. I actually feel more
secure i fthey can conform to the terrain instead of being held firmly
in in a position I don't want them to be. I just picked up a pair of
Asolo Fugitive GTX. They are super comfy, as my foot is somewhat
flatter than most blanks used to make stiffer boots. They have not yet
seen the trail...damn rain. But I wear them to work for a week and
half now and no soreness...the tongue padding could be beefier though.
J |
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| Eugene Miya |
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:22 pm |
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In article <xunlkudvo1d.fsf@riget284.uio.no>,
Martin Thornquist <martint+rec@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
Quote: [ the Moderator ]
I don't know what appeal sneakers have over boots. They aren't any more
comfortable to me. Less comfortable over uneven ground for long periods of
time. They are lighter, but if walking in boots is too physically taxing,
perhaps overall conditioning is the problem.
Lighter.
Quote: My boots are somewhat stiff (La Sportiva Makalu) because I use them
for ice climbing, glacier and scrambling (that's the kind of mountain
trips I like). On easy ground and if the temperature allows I much
prefer sandals. Different terrain and pack weight makes for different
demands on the footwear -- in the mountains I'll use the big boots,
but on easy trips in the forest I might opt for good hiking shoes or
sandals.
If on a trail or doing a rock climb I take the overgrown tennis shoes.
Weight on a climb is less trivial than straight back packing.
Some other books (the Superguides) get used for ice climbing.
I use my old Vercors for skiing some times, but also climbing.
I think I did the East Face of Whitney (shakey leg variation) in them.
The rock shoes are purely for rock.
I once did an 8 mile day hike in my Birkenstocks. I was amazed that
grains of soil didn't get under my feet.
Oh yeah, and I have these nice wet suit bootie things for kayaking
which have a nice sole, and easy in and out side zip (REI).
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| Pat O'Connell |
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:35 pm |
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Eugene Miya wrote:
Quote: In article <xunlkudvo1d.fsf@riget284.uio.no>,
Martin Thornquist <martint+rec@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
[ the Moderator ]
I don't know what appeal sneakers have over boots. They aren't any more
comfortable to me. Less comfortable over uneven ground for long periods of
time. They are lighter, but if walking in boots is too physically taxing,
perhaps overall conditioning is the problem.
Lighter.
I have lightweight hikers (Adidas cheapos from Costco) for trails with
few rocks. I wear leather Montrail Torre GTX boots for rocky trails
(feet bruise easily if a trail has a lot of rough rocks). I have some
old Fabiano boots with Norwegian last soles for really bad places, but
haven't used them for ten years.
Quote: I once did an 8 mile day hike in my Birkenstocks. I was amazed that
grains of soil didn't get under my feet.
I hike in the desert a lot. The thorns worry me more than dirt, so
sandals are right out; leather boots are mandatory.
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Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
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| Eugene Miya |
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:10 am |
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Quote: I don't know what appeal sneakers have over boots.
In article <3ZednY1z351IiKbZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Pat O'Connell <gypkap.figureitout@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I hike in the desert a lot. The thorns worry me more than dirt, so
sandals are right out; leather boots are mandatory.
I do there some. Light weight is fine.
You also have a whole lot of sharp toe stubbing things in a desert.
That one trip was on a dirt road, a nice pleasant one above the Napa
Valley, but still a road. Closed to the driving public.
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| Pat O'Connell |
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:15 pm |
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Eugene Miya wrote:
Quote: I don't know what appeal sneakers have over boots.
In article <3ZednY1z351IiKbZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Pat O'Connell <gypkap.figureitout@gmail.com> wrote:
I hike in the desert a lot. The thorns worry me more than dirt, so
sandals are right out; leather boots are mandatory.
I do there some. Light weight is fine.
You also have a whole lot of sharp toe stubbing things in a desert.
All too true.
My lightweight hikers do OK on forest trails (Jemez mountain forest
trails for instance), but not too hot if the trails are very rocky.
Quote: That one trip was on a dirt road, a nice pleasant one above the Napa
Valley, but still a road. Closed to the driving public.
I'll guess that would be OK with sandals, unless goatheads (the bane of
the southwestern home owner or mountain biker) grow there.
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Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals... |
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| Eugene Miya |
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:08 pm |
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In article <qeidneXeR55VyaHZRVn-gw@comcast.com>,
Pat O'Connell <gypkap.figureitout@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: appeal sneakers have over boots.
the desert
You also have a whole lot of sharp toe stubbing things in a desert.
All too true.
My lightweight hikers do OK on forest trails (Jemez mountain forest
trails for instance), but not too hot if the trails are very rocky.
That one trip was on a dirt road, a nice pleasant one above the Napa
Valley, but still a road. Closed to the driving public.
I'll guess that would be OK with sandals, unless goatheads (the bane of
the southwestern home owner or mountain biker) grow there.
Last evening, I was watching a friend's Burning Man photos.
At best, you can call that camping. But playas, dry lake beds, are
among the most important experiences I try to point Europeans to.
At the end of the 80s, when I did the one formal net trip with group
readers and posters, I took Chris from the MIT Media lab out onto one
after the end portion of the trip. Miles of flat hot dry lake bed.
Hard pan. It's not all vegetated.
Flying back to the Bay Area from Furnace Creek in a Cessna, we were flying
over sand dunes. I think squinting, I could see 2 droids: a cylindral
one and a humanoid shape (motioning and complaining).
Another ex-roommate might have seen camels and Lawrence of Arabia
(as Spielberg did aas a kid). Maybe all too much imagination.
Gotta run to a meeting.
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