http://diy.despair.com/output/poster4291481.jpg

http://diy.despair.com/output/poster4291481.jpg
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Jun 28, 4:41 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva... at (no spam) pacbell.net> wrote:
http://diy.despair.com/output/poster4291481.jpg
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

You do know that is a parody of a motivational poster, right?

On Jun 28, 4:41 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva... at (no spam) pacbell.net> wrote:
http://diy.despair.com/output/poster4291481.jpg
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

You do know that is a parody of a motivational poster, right?

You do know that is a parody of a motivational poster, right?

Of course, but the broken collarbone is real.

But there's nothing to say where that broken collarbone came from. My

Depending on speed motor vehicles kill at a rate of 20%
at 20 MPH to 99.999% at 60 MPH.

Depending on speed motor vehicles kill at a rate of 20%
at 20 MPH to 99.999% at 60 MPH.

Source? I know at least 4 people who got into an accident at ~60 mph
and all walked away w/o a scratch. at 99.999 probability the chance of
me seeing this even would be 0.0001 power 4 which is very unlikely.

On Jul 1, 2:54 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva... at (no spam) pacbell.net> wrote:


You do know that is a parody of a motivational poster, right?

Of course, but the broken collarbone is real.

But there's nothing to say where that broken collarbone came from.

elder daughter (the one getting married this weekend) broke her
collarbone on a swing set at her elementary school when she was in 5th
grade. Should we then remove all swing sets from all schools because
one had a structural failure and caused my daughter a painful injury?

No, that would be stupid. The leading cause of death for humans under
21 is motor vehicle wrecks, should we ban motor vehicles because of
that?

killing people under the age of 21, but we still have them.

Bicycles are good exercise, and MTB gets people away from the primary
cause of death when riding, the motor vehicle.

banned and instead work on something much worse, motor vehicles.

vehicles are like a war zone in the middle of the transportation grid,
and more people are killed by them than are killed in all the armed
conflicts world-wide every year. The US has been averaging 41,000
deaths by motor vehicle wrecks alone every year since 1999. In 2007
(latest year for which statistics are available) just shy of 700
people were killed riding bicycles, and of that number less than a
dozen were wrecks without the involvement of at least one motor
vehicle. Very few bicycle on bicycle or single vehicle bicycle wrecks
are fatal.

I'll give you another number, bullet wounds average less than a 10%
fatality rate. Depending on speed motor vehicles kill at a rate of 20%
at 20 MPH to 99.999% at 60 MPH. In plain terms, cars are more fatal
than guns, even when someone is trying to kill someone else with the
gun. Even when someone gets hit by a gun shot, unless the bullet is
precisely placed it has a very low likelihood of causing death or even
permanent injury, but getting hit by a car at 30 MPH has a 85% chance
of death, a 10% chance of permanent injury, or 5% of recovery from
injury without permanent effects. The truck that hit me was doing
about 65 MPH...

On Jul 1, 2:54 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva... at (no spam) pacbell.net> wrote:


You do know that is a parody of a motivational poster, right?

Of course, but the broken collarbone is real.

But there's nothing to say where that broken collarbone came from. My
elder daughter (the one getting married this weekend) broke her
collarbone on a swing set at her elementary school when she was in 5th
grade. Should we then remove all swing sets from all schools because
one had a structural failure and caused my daughter a painful injury?
No, that would be stupid. The leading cause of death for humans under
21 is motor vehicle wrecks, should we ban motor vehicles because of
that? No, there are many more reasons to ban motor vehicles than just
killing people under the age of 21, but we still have them.

snip
What are YOU doing about that problem? I spent 8 years on it. Mountain
bikers complain about motor vehicles, but instead of working on
getting rid of them, they join in & use one to carry their bikes to
the trailhead. What hypocrisy!
--

On Jul 3, 9:24 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva... at (no spam) pacbell.net> wrote:
snip
What are YOU doing about that problem? I spent 8 years on it. Mountain
bikers complain about motor vehicles, but instead of working on
getting rid of them, they join in & use one to carry their bikes to
the trailhead. What hypocrisy!
--

I'm not an off-road biker, but if you had read my blog (Witch on a
Bicycle) you would know what I do about the problem, I speak to police
departments, I lobby my representatives, and I ride nearly every day
obeying the laws and presenting a positive role model.

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:11:55 -0700 (PDT), Opus <opusthep... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Jul 3, 9:24 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva... at (no spam) pacbell.net> wrote:
snip
What are YOU doing about that problem? I spent 8 years on it. Mountain
bikers complain about motor vehicles, but instead of working on
getting rid of them, they join in & use one to carry their bikes to
the trailhead. What hypocrisy!
--

I'm not an off-road biker, but if you had read my blog (Witch on a
Bicycle) you would know what I do about the problem, I speak to police
departments, I lobby my representatives, and I ride nearly every day
obeying the laws and presenting a positive role model.

You don't seem to be responding to my question: how are you "working
on getting rid of them"? Hint: that requires reducing places to drive
& places to park. If you don't do that, cars will never cease to be a
problem. And defending mountain biking only shows that you don't have
a clue about what is important in this life, which is protecting the
other creatures, upon which humans are 100% dependent.