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Chris Wilson wrote:
Quote: I've never done anything too drastic except pulling over, getting out,
and taking a picture, but that pales in comparison to Jim running
across IH 84.
I've run across my fair share of highways. One time I forgot something
in a car dealership and ran across four divided lanes of US 9
(admittedly not a freeway at that point). When my friend's car blew the
back tire, I ran into the left lane at 2 AM to pick out the fragment
(and got flashed by a car well in the distance).
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Steve Alpert
MIT - B.S. (Eng.) '05, M.S. (Transp.) '06
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:26:30 +0000, Carl Rogers wrote:
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bassintro@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142961270.560736.309470@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Where is the most dangerous place you have gone with a camera? This guy
is crazy!
http://digg.com/links/Interesting_pictures_of_Ghetto_s
How far would you go? wow
For me, it has to be the British-Columbia-Alberta border... With no
shoulder available on the side of the road (due to snow), I literally
stopped the vehicle on TransCanada 1 to snap this photo:
http://hwy-shields.calrog.com/tc-1_4.html
The camera used for it allowed one (or two) second exposures. It took
several attempts (over a 30 second period) for the French translation to
become semi-readable. As luck had it, a large heap of snow covered the
words " Bienvenue", "à" and " Colombie" on the sign.
For health-hazard reasons, the Mount Blanc Tunnel
(http://hwy-shields.calrog.com/it-t1_4.html) is my runner-up. The exhaust
fumes inside were pretty strong! The location of this shot is not terribly
far from the French border.
Cheers,
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Yugoslavia, just as the war broke out, there was burning buses along the
roadside, Serbian planes trying to bomb gas stations, and any thing that
moved. Nice rush.
Hitchhiking through East Germany with an expired Canadian Pasport. Slight
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On 21 Apr 2006 08:46:29 -0700, "Frosty" <frosty@ipermitmail.com>
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Quote: Bid to settle native occupation in Caledonia a non-starter
Expositor Staff
By Susan Gamble
Local News - Wednesday, April 19, 2006 @ 01:00
The Ontario and Canadian governments are dangling a land swap in front
of the Six Nations band council while refusing to deal with the
traditional confederacy in order to end the native occupation in
Caledonia.
Frustrations boiled over at Tuesday night's band council meeting when
councillors -- who finally reached a split decision a day earlier to
permit the traditional chiefs to lead negotiations -- were told that
the governments won't deal with anyone but the elected council.
The government response seemed to stymie the council as it pondered how
to best resolve the 50-day occupation in Caledonia.
"We've been meeting for the last two or three days about the
situation, and we're no further ahead," said Coun. Glenda Porter.
"The government didn't hear a word we said."
It seems to me that if David General is really interested in
protecting the people, he should vacate and abolish the office
established by the settlers and insist that the people be allowed to
speak through their traditional speakers and that Canada and any other
nation accept the representatives chosen by the people, in their
traditional manner.
If he refuses to do the will of the people, the Great Law has
provisions for admonishing such an errant, stubborn leader.
First, what constitutes a good elder?
24. The Lords of the Confederacy of the Five Nations shall be mentors
of the people for all time. The thickness of their skin shall be
seven spans -- which is to say that they shall be proof against anger,
offensive actions and criticism. Their hearts shall be full of peace
and good will and their minds filled with a yearning for the welfare
of the people of the Confederacy. With endless patience they shall
carry out their duty and their firmness shall be tempered with a
tenderness for their people. Neither anger nor fury shall find
lodgement in their minds and all their words and actions shall be
marked by calm deliberation.
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Who is eligible for positions of leadership?
52. The Royaneh women, heirs of the Lordship titles, shall, should it
be necessary, correct and admonish the holders of their titles. Those
only who attend the Council may do this and those who do not shall not
object to what has been said nor strive to undo the action.
53. When the Royaneh women, holders of a Lordship title, select one
of their sons as a candidate, they shall select one who is
trustworthy, of good character, of honest disposition, one who manages
his own affairs, supports his own family, if any, and who has proven a
faithful man to his Nation.
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Who is invested with the process of selecting leaders?
17. A bunch of a certain number of shell (wampum) strings each two
spans in length shall be given to each of the female families in which
the Lordship titles are vested. The right of bestowing the title
shall be hereditary in the family of the females legally possessing
the bunch of shell strings and the strings shall be the token that the
females of the family have the proprietary right to the Lordship title
for all time to come, subject to certain restrictions hereinafter
mentioned.
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What is the status of one who fails or refuses to sit in council with
other traditional leaders?
18. If any Confederate Lord neglects or refuses to attend the
Confederate Council, the other Lords of the Nation of which he is a
member shall require their War Chief to request the female sponsors of
the Lord so guilty of defection to demand his attendance of the
Council. If he refuses, the women holding the title shall immediately
select another candidate for the title. No Lord shall be asked
more than once to attend the Confederate Council.
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Who has responsibility for control of the landbase?
44. The lineal descent of the people of the Five Nations shall run in
the female line. Women shall be considered the progenitors of the
Nation. They shall own the land and the soil. Men and women shall
follow the status of the mother.
45. The women heirs of the Confederated Lordship titles shall be
called Royaneh (Noble) for all time to come.
46. The women of the Forty Eight (now fifty) Royaneh families shall
be the heirs of the Authorized Names for all time to come.
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What is the status of one that seeks to have a non-traditional
authority or office over the people?
25. If a Lord of the Confederacy should seek to establish any
authority independent of the jurisdiction of the Confederacy of the
Great Peace, which is the Five Nations, he shall be warned three times
in open council, first by the women relatives, second by the men
relatives and finally by the Lords of the Confederacy of the Nation to
which he belongs. If the offending Lord is still obdurate he shall be
dismissed by the War Chief of his nation for refusing to conform to
the laws of the Great Peace. His nation shall then install the
candidate nominated by the female name holders of his family.
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What provisions are there for dealing with a leader who violates the
people's trust and interests?
39. If a War Chief acts contrary to instructions or against the
provisions of the Laws of the Great Peace, doing so in the capacity of
his office, he shall be deposed by his women relatives and by his men
relatives. Either the women or the men alone or jointly may act in
such a case. The women title holders shall then choose another
candidate.
19. If at any time it shall be manifest that a Confederate Lord has
not in mind the welfare of the people or disobeys the rules of this
Great Law, the men or women of the Confederacy, or both jointly, shall
come to the Council and upbraid the erring Lord through his War Chief.
If the complaint of the people through the War Chief is not heeded the
first time it shall be uttered again and then if no attention is given
a third complaint and warning shall be given. If the Lord is
contumacious the matter shall go to the council of War Chiefs. The
War Chiefs shall then divest the erring Lord of his title by order of
the women in whom the titleship is vested. When the Lord is deposed
the women shall notify the Confederate Lords through their War Chief,
and the Confederate Lords shall sanction the act. The women will then
select another of their sons as a candidate and the Lords shall elect
him. Then shall the chosen one be installed by the Installation
Ceremony.
When a Lord is to be deposed, his War Chief shall address him as
follows:
"So you, __________, disregard and set at naught the warnings of
your women relatives. So you fling the warnings over your shoulder to
cast them behind you.
"Behold the brightness of the Sun and in the brightness of the
Sun's light I depose you of your title and remove the sacred emblem of
your Lordship title. I remove from your brow the deer's antlers,
which was the emblem of your position and token of your nobility. I
now depose you and return the antlers to the women whose heritage they
are."
The War Chief shall now address the women of the deposed Lord and
say: "Mothers, as I have now deposed your Lord, I now return to you
the emblem and the title of Lordship, therefore repossess them."
Again addressing himself to the deposed Lord he shall say:
"As I have now deposed and discharged you so you are now no
longer Lord. You shall now go your way alone, the rest of the people
of the Confederacy will not go with you, for we know not the kind of
mind that possesses you. As the Creator has nothing to do with wrong
so he will not come to rescue you from the precipice of destruction in
which you have cast yourself. You shall never be restored to the
position which you once occupied."
Then shall the War Chief address himself to the Lords of the
Nation to which the deposed Lord belongs and say: "Know you, my
Lords, that I have taken the deer's antlers from the brow of
___________, the emblem of his position and token of his greatness."
The Lords of the Confederacy shall then have no other alternative
than to sanction the discharge of the offending Lord.
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What is the status of a leader who submits to a foreign authority or
law?
58. There are now the Five Nations Confederate Lords standing with
joined hands in a circle. This signifies and provides that should any
one of the Confederate Lords leave the council and this Confederacy
his crown of deer's horns, the emblem of his Lordship title, together
with his birthright, shall lodge on the arms of the Union Lords whose
hands are so joined. He forfeits his title and the crown falls from
his brow but it shall remain in the Confederacy.
A further meaning of this is that if any time any one of the
Confederate Lords choose to submit to the law of a foreign people he
is no longer in but out of the Confederacy, and persons of this class
shall be called "They have alienated themselves." Likewise such
persons who submit to laws of foreign nations shall forfeit all
birthrights and claims on the Five Nations Confederacy and territory.
You, the Five Nations Confederate Lords, be firm so that if a
tree falls on your joined arms it shall not separate or weaken your
hold. So shall the strength of the union be preserved.
[According to this provision of the Great Law, if a leader, such as
David General, has in fact submitted to Canadian law and authority, it
appears that he has voluntarily dis-associated, "alienated" himself
from his people, his nation and therefore forfeits his birthright to
citizenship in Six Nations.]
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How is an obdurate, recalcitrant leader to be handled by the people?
59. A bunch of wampum shells on strings, three spans of the hand in
length, the upper half of the bunch being white and the lower half
black, and formed from equal contributions of the men of the Five
Nations, shall be a token that the men have combined themselves into
one head, one body and one thought, and it shall also symbolize their
ratification of the peace pact of the Confederacy, whereby the Lords
of the Five Nations have established the Great Peace.
The white portion of the shell strings represent the women and
the black portion the men. The black portion, furthermore, is a token
of power and authority vested in the men of the Five Nations.
This string of wampum vests the people with the right to correct
their erring Lords. In case a part or all the Lords pursue a course
not vouched for by the people and heed not the third warning of their
women relatives, then the matter shall be taken to the General Council
of the women of the Five Nations. If the Lords notified and warned
three times fail to heed, then the case falls into the hands of the
men of the Five Nations. The War Chiefs shall then, by right of such
power and authority, enter the open council to warn the Lord or Lords
to return from the wrong course. If the Lords heed the warning they
shall say, "we will reply tomorrow." If then an answer is returned in
favor of justice and in accord with this Great Law, then the Lords
shall individually pledge themselves again by again furnishing the
necessary shells for the pledge. Then shall the War Chief or Chiefs
exhort the Lords urging them to be just and true.
Should it happen that the Lords refuse to heed the third warning,
then two courses are open: either the men may decide in their council
to depose the Lord or Lords or to club them to death with war clubs.
Should they in their council decide to take the first course the War
Chief shall address the Lord or Lords, saying: "Since you the Lords
of the Five Nations have refused to return to the procedure of the
Constitution, we now declare your seats vacant, we take off your
horns, the token of your Lordship, and others shall be chosen and
installed in your seats, therefore vacate your seats.".
Should the men in their council adopt the second course, the War
Chief shall order his men to enter the council, to take positions
beside the Lords, sitting between them wherever possible. When this
is accomplished the War Chief holding in his outstretched hand a bunch
of black wampum strings shall say to the erring Lords: "So now, Lords
of the Five United Nations, harken to these last words from your men.
You have not heeded the warnings of the women relatives, you have not
heeded the warnings of the General Council of women and you have not
heeded the warnings of the men of the nations, all urging you to
return to the right course of action. Since you are determined to
resist and to withhold justice from your people there is only one
course for us to adopt." At this point the War Chief shall let drop
the bunch of black wampum and the men shall spring to their feet and
club the erring Lords to death. Any erring Lord may submit before the
War Chief lets fall the black wampum. Then his execution is withheld.
The black wampum here used symbolizes that the power to execute
is buried but that it may be raised up again by the men. It is buried
but when occasion arises they may pull it up and derive their power
and authority to act as here described.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:04 pm |
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On 21 Apr 2006 08:41:43 -0700, "Frosty" <frosty@ipermitmail.com>
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Quote: ANGRY CLASH
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By Deirdre Healey and Daniel Nolan
The Hamilton SpectatorCALEDONIA (Apr 21, 2006)
Hundreds of Caledonia residents and masked natives stared each other
down last night, separated only by about 50 metres of Argyle Street.
About 300 white residents taunted nearly as many natives, mocking them
for wearing masks and telling them to go home. The occupiers, many
wielding pieces of wood, shovels and bats, mostly watched, speaking up
to order the Caledonians back if they ventured too near.
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The natives on scene yesterday came from as far away as eastern Ontario
and Manitoba. And organizers say many more are on their way to
reinforce Six Nations members.
Some Caledonia residents are upset the government has let the protest
get this far and believe the victims are the people who live in the
community.
"We have a lot of people suffering here. People can't even run their
businesses or go to work. Who is going to pay our wages when we can't
go to work?" said Janet Whintemute.
Whintemute said the police did more harm then good by arresting a
handful of the natives yesterday morning.
"They have stirred up a hornets' nest and then deserted us," she said.
The unabashed voice of white privilege.
Whine whine whine over a few days of discomfort and loss of business.
But this one takes the cake:
"Not everyone is happy about the continued occupation. Amanda
McSkimming, a resident of Caledonia, said [non-native, town] people
are shocked and sad that this is happening in their community. A
business owner, she complained that she had to close business
yesterday. [tsk tsk tsk]
As well, she said, her children are missing school because schools in
the area have been closed. Ms. McSkimming wants to see the occupation
ended by police. [so she doesn't have to baby sit her kids]
"We need them out of here, it is stopping so many businesses, it is
stopping our way of life in town, you know?""
Get it??? "it is stopping OUR way of life"!!!!!!!!!!
No matter that the Indians have been raped and robbed for over 2
centuries. Their loss of income and their 'way of life' isn't given a
second thought by these arrogant people.
I hope that those on the rez take note of Ms. McSkimming's business
and boycott it permanently.
She needs to learn that servicing a community is different than a bull
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| publius2k |
| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:38 pm |
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And just what else would be expected when you poll the uninformed and
the recalcitrant, who could care less that they are the beneficiaries
of white privilege, theft, rape, mass murder?
One has to have ethics and knowledge to comprehend the issues. Were
those prerequisites of expressing their opinion, I think the results
would have been different.
and breaking who's law? The laws imposed by the elites to protect
'their' purloined property and estates? Laws of conquest, of thieves.
"It ours because we conquered and took it. Just be glad we let a few
of you live".
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:36:57 -0400, Bobby Colter
<bc.colter@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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Wayne George wrote:
More Troll like words from The Ignorant...with one opinion....
How can you stand it..?
Do the Native protesters in Caledonia have a legitimate cause?
Yes, land deals made in the past should be examined 30%
No, it’s ancient history and they’re breaking the law 70%
Total Votes for this Question: 1023
Wayne George
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"notritenoteri" <coldasfire@hades.com> wrote in message
news:U5r2g.12485$Xl.27306@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
And this means what exactly? I'm asking? If you think a bunch of swamp up
at gods lake constitutes the basis for a sustainable economic development
more power to you. Maybe you can sell it as a bedroom community to The Pas
or Norway House Assuming of course you can stop the midnight movers from
ripping out all the copper plumbing and wiring?
"Frosty" <frosty@ipermitmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145664800.928338.118320@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Gee, the only argument comes from you. Read on below.
notritenoteri wrote:
SNIP
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Manitoba crown land transferred to meet treaty land entitlement
obligations
By Online staff
Manitoba will transfer 13,267 acres of provincial crown land to Canada
for the Bunibonibee Cree Nation and God's Lake First Nation under
treaty land entitlement (TLE) agreements, Aboriginal and Northern
Affairs Minister Oscar Lathlin and Conservation Minister Stan Struthers
announced today.
Approximately 8,708 acres of land near Oxford, Wapisew and Whitemud
Lakes will be transferred to Canada for Bunibonibee (formerly Oxford
House) Cree Nation (under Treaty 5). A total of 4,559 acres of land
near Esker Ridge B, Peter Burton's/Shorty Rapids and Wapaminakoskak
Narrows will be transferred to Canada for God's Lake First Nation (also
under Treaty 5).
"These land transactions represent a tremendous opportunity for First
Nations to explore resource-based economic strategies that will provide
sustainable growth for their communities," said Struthers.
Under the 1997 Treaty Land Entitlement Framework Agreement, Manitoba
was to set aside 35,434 acres of unoccupied Crown lands for the
Bunibonibee Cree Nation and 42,600 acres for God's Lake First Nation.
Today's announcement totals 14,368 acres set aside for Bunibonibee Cree
Nation and 12,527 acres in total for God's Lake First Nation.
Manitoba's obligations under the Treaty Land Entitlement Framework
Agreement require the setting aside of 985,949 acres of Crown land. To
date, 874,692 acres have been selected by entitled First Nations.
The Crown lands will be transferred according to the Natural Resources
Transfer Agreement including mines and minerals and other interests
normally reserved for Manitoba under the Crown Land Act or any other
statute.
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:40 pm |
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Well, I wouldn't hazard a guess, I'd go straight to
http://www.statcan.ca/ website of the world's best national statistical
agency, and look up their Census Metropolitan Areas / Population.
Trouble is, it's addicting! There is so much information on their
website that you can get lost for hours, flipping back and forth through
tables, pie charts and bar graphs that can tell you so much about Canada
that you don't really want to leave ... and it's much lighter than
throwing around 24 volumes of Encyclopaedia Britannica every time you
had to research a term paper.
Quote:
Kafechick wrote:
If you had to hazard a guess, from your own experiences what would
the five
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| Carl Rogers |
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"Norm" <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote: Posted this in rec.travel.usa-canada but thinking that maybe more
appropriate in this group. Thanks for any suggestions.
Traveling eastbound from MI to NY state.
Have always taken QEW to 405 to I-190 to I-290 to I-90 (NY Thruway).
Someone mentioned staying on QEW and crossing in Buffalo on the Peace
Bridge to I-190 to I-90 East as an alternative.
Any opinions? Will be crossing into US about 10AM on a Friday or
Saturday.
Thanks for any tips.
Hi Norm,
ON-401 is under construction approximately 10 kilometres east of Windsor to
30 kilometres east of her. Travel speed may need to be adjusted here. If
driving on Saturday, expect heavy, somewhat flowing traffic at the
ON-403/ON-407/QEW interchange. Also expect gridlock just east of the
Burlington Bay Bridge. An alternative to this is the Canal Lift Bridge,
which flows a bit more and feeds into QEW frontage-roads. The bridge has
some well documented history too.
Cheers,
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| Chris Bessert |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:52 pm |
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Carl Rogers wrote:
Quote: "Norm" <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
Traveling eastbound from MI to NY state.
[...]
ON-401 is under construction approximately 10 kilometres east of
Windsor to 30 kilometres east of her. Travel speed may need to be
adjusted here.
Norm didn't state he was necessarily crossing at Detroit. In fact,
most Michiganders know it's usually preferable to cross at the Blue
Water Bridges in Port Huron-Sarnia and taking Hwy 402 east to London
unless you're actually heading TO Windsor (to the "ballet" or the
casino, etc.). Hwy 401 between Windsor and London is one of the most
mind-numbingly boring highways in the eastern half of North America,
is very heavily travelled and has had a problem with safety over the
past several years. It's also more heavily patrolled by the OPP. Even
if he *was* coming from Metro Detroit, heading up I-94 to Port Huron
first before crossing is often better and can be faster, depending on
your initial starting point.
Quote: If driving on Saturday, expect heavy, somewhat flowing traffic at the
ON-403/ON-407/QEW interchange.
It really depends on the time you hit the Freeman Interchange and if
there are other factors involved (accidents, weather, etc.). He'll be
heading eastbound into the interchange around 9am, which on Friday will
be after most of the morning rush and on Saturday shouldn't be an issue.
Quote: Also expect gridlock just east of the Burlington Bay Bridge.
Likely caused by construction on the Red Hill Creek Expressway inter-
change: http://tinyurl.com/rehls, http://tinyurl.com/mqbhv
Also watch for some work farther back on Hwy 403: http://tinyurl.com/mxrxq
Quote: An alternative to this is the Canal Lift Bridge, which flows a bit
more and feeds into QEW frontage-roads. The bridge has some well
documented history too.
Unless you're not worried about time or in case there is a bad accident
on the Garden City Skyway in St Catharines, you're likely better off
just staying on the QEW, to be honest. Of course, if the historic
Canal Lift Bridge has to open, you're in for a HUGE wait, while there
is no "opening" necessary up on the Skyway.
Later,
Chris
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| Carl Rogers |
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"Chris Bessert" <bessert1@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Norm didn't state he was necessarily crossing at Detroit.
Interesting, he never stated that he wasn't going through Detroit .
Quote: In fact, most Michiganders know it's usually preferable to cross at the
Blue
Water Bridges in Port Huron-Sarnia and taking Hwy 402 east to London
No, in *opinion* most Michiganders know it's usually preferable to cross at
the Blue Water bridges.
Quote: unless you're actually heading TO Windsor (to the "ballet" or the
casino, etc.). Hwy 401 between Windsor and London is one of the most
mind-numbingly boring highways in the eastern half of North America,
is very heavily travelled and has had a problem with safety over the
past several years. It's also more heavily patrolled by the OPP. Even
if he *was* coming from Metro Detroit, heading up I-94 to Port Huron
first before crossing is often better and can be faster, depending on
your initial starting point.
If driving on Saturday, expect heavy, somewhat flowing traffic at the
ON-403/ON-407/QEW interchange.
It really depends on the time you hit the Freeman Interchange and if
there are other factors involved (accidents, weather, etc.). He'll be
heading eastbound into the interchange around 9am, which on Friday will
be after most of the morning rush and on Saturday shouldn't be an issue.
Saturday was an issue when I traveled there, so it shows that it could be an
issue. Clear skies and in the afternoon. All based on experience and
empirical observation! Stay tuned for new photographs of Michigan and
Ontario on Pictures of Highway Shields.
Cheers,
Carl Rogers
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In article <eclaka$o38$1@news.msu.edu>,
Chris Bessert <bessert1@aol.com> wrote:
Quote: Norm didn't state he was necessarily crossing at Detroit. In fact,
most Michiganders know it's usually preferable to cross at the Blue
Water Bridges in Port Huron-Sarnia and taking Hwy 402 east to London
OP back.
Yes, we are crossing at Sarnia.
Trying to find out if the Lewiston Bridge (if that is the correct name)
that we've always taken from QEW to I-290 to I-90 is faster/better on
average than staying on the QEW to the Buffalo Peace Bridge and then to
I-190 to I-90 East.
Thanks.
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| Christopher Blaney |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:00 pm |
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"Norm" <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
news:3JudnfqQP8UmpnPZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Quote: Trying to find out if the Lewiston Bridge (if that is the correct name)
that we've always taken from QEW to I-290 to I-90 is faster/better on
average than staying on the QEW to the Buffalo Peace Bridge and then to
I-190 to I-90 East.
My opinion, you're better off crossing at Fort Erie (the Peace Bridge). Most
traffic crosses at the Lewiston Bridge (Niagara Falls) because a lot of
people are heading for the Falls and think because the crossing is
completely "limited access", it must be faster. However, depending on the
time of day you go through, it's more crowded, and the 20 miles from Niagara
Falls to the NYS Thruway on the American side is more congested than the 20
miles of fairly rural area between Niagara Falls and Fort Erie on the
Canadian side. QEW is straight-as-an-arrow and four lanes in this section,
and sees relatively little traffic. I-190 and I-290 across Grand Island and
the northern suburbs of Buffalo is much more congested, again, depending on
the time of day you are going through.
The Peace Bridge is three lanes undivided (two thrown one way, one thrown
the other, depending on peak traffic times) and there is some going onto
Buffalo's streets to get to the Niagara Thruway (I-190). But other than
that, it's the better, less-crowded crossing in my opinion. You're only
about five miles from the NYS Thruway mainline at the Fort Erie crossing.
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| Chris Bessert |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:00 pm |
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Carl Rogers wrote:
Quote: "Chris Bessert" <bessert1@aol.com> wrote:
Norm didn't state he was necessarily crossing at Detroit.
Interesting, he never stated that he wasn't going through Detroit .
Calm down there, Carl, I wasn't trying to knock you. I was just
saying that one shouldn't assume that all Michigan-to-Ontario
traffic crosses at Detroit or that it's necessarily the most
preferable crossing for a segment of the population.
Quote: In fact, most Michiganders know it's usually preferable to cross at the
Blue
Water Bridges in Port Huron-Sarnia and taking Hwy 402 east to London
No, in *opinion* most Michiganders know it's usually preferable to cross at
the Blue Water bridges.
It's a fact that their opinion is that the fact that the shorter
customs waits, the lack of major urban area congestion and the lower
tolls -- one saves more than 50 percent via the Blue Water! -- are
a major reason why so many prefer to use the Port Huron-Sarnia cross-
ing than the Detroit-Windsor ones.
Quote: If driving on Saturday, expect heavy, somewhat flowing traffic at the
ON-403/ON-407/QEW interchange.
It really depends on the time you hit the Freeman Interchange and if
there are other factors involved (accidents, weather, etc.). He'll be
heading eastbound into the interchange around 9am, which on Friday will
be after most of the morning rush and on Saturday shouldn't be an issue.
Saturday was an issue when I traveled there, so it shows that it could be an
issue. Clear skies and in the afternoon. All based on experience and
empirical observation!
I'd just hate for Norm to base his route choice on a problem someone
had at one location on one day once. I would think long-term perform-
ance would carry more weight than a one-time observation by one per-
son at one point.
Case-in-point: I observed a 17-mile long backup along I-90/I-94 in 1990
in middle-of-nowhere central Wisconsin due to a car fire and subse-
quent closure of the entire eastbound side of the roadway. However,
I wouldn't steer someone clear of that route because of it, as I know
the *normal* conditions don't feature 17-mile long backups...
Quote: Stay tuned for new photographs of Michigan and
Ontario on Pictures of Highway Shields.
Okay.
NORM!
</cheap 80s TV sitcom humor>
Later,
Chris
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Chris Bessert
Bessert1@aol.com
http://www.michiganhighways.org
http://www.wisconsinhighways.org
http://www.ontariohighways.org |
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| Larry Harvilla |
| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:22 am |
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On 8/24/2006 9:39 pm, Christopher Blaney wrote:
Quote: "Norm" <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
news:3JudnfqQP8UmpnPZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Trying to find out if the Lewiston Bridge (if that is the correct name)
that we've always taken from QEW to I-290 to I-90 is faster/better on
average than staying on the QEW to the Buffalo Peace Bridge and then to
I-190 to I-90 East.
My opinion, you're better off crossing at Fort Erie (the Peace Bridge). Most
traffic crosses at the Lewiston Bridge (Niagara Falls) because a lot of
people are heading for the Falls and think because the crossing is
completely "limited access", it must be faster. However, depending on the
time of day you go through, it's more crowded, and the 20 miles from Niagara
Falls to the NYS Thruway on the American side is more congested than the 20
miles of fairly rural area between Niagara Falls and Fort Erie on the
Canadian side. QEW is straight-as-an-arrow and four lanes in this section,
and sees relatively little traffic. I-190 and I-290 across Grand Island and
the northern suburbs of Buffalo is much more congested, again, depending on
the time of day you are going through.
The Peace Bridge is three lanes undivided (two thrown one way, one thrown
the other, depending on peak traffic times) and there is some going onto
Buffalo's streets to get to the Niagara Thruway (I-190). But other than
that, it's the better, less-crowded crossing in my opinion. You're only
about five miles from the NYS Thruway mainline at the Fort Erie crossing.
I would add that the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge (y'all are missing half
of its correct name!) is shorter distance-wise than the QEW to the Peace
Bridge, but not by that much -- perhaps five miles. That said, I would
probably have to agree with Chris that the QEW to the Peace Bridge will
probably move quicker than the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge and I-190 -- so
you're probably talking six of one, half a dozen of the other.
If the shortest distance is important (e.g., per-mile charges on a
rental car or U-Haul or something), take the LQB and I-190. Otherwise,
take the QEW and Peace Bridge.
--
Larry Harvilla
e-mail: roads AT phatpage DOT org
blog-aliciousness: http://www.phatpage.org/news/
also visit: http://www.phatpage.org/highways.html
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| Nathan Perry |
| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:44 am |
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In article <bPSdnVFDSdJE8XPZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Larry Harvilla <roads@phatpage.org> wrote:
Quote: I would add that the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge (y'all are missing half
of its correct name!)
Queenston-Lewiston Bridge if you're in Canada... |
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