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| Graven Water... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:59 pm |
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It's getting cold, and I'm looking for a natural fiber jacket/sweater for
the winter. I live in upstate NY, it gets down to 0F fairly often in the
winter, sometimes even -10F, although I don't usually go out in that. I
ride my bike around town all winter, but not fast, so I don't get sweaty.
I have a windbreaker jacket shell, so I could wear something that's
wind-permeable but fluffy and insulating under the shell. I have a big
wool sweater, and that's pretty warm with the windbreaker over it, but
I don't think it would be warm enough at 0F.
I wonder what would be really warm? I don't go winter camping, I
just thought people in this newsg. might know.
Laura |
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| hlillywh at (no spam) juno.com... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:35 pm |
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Graven Water wrote:
Quote: It's getting cold, and I'm looking for a natural fiber jacket/sweater for
the winter. I live in upstate NY, it gets down to 0F fairly often in the
winter, sometimes even -10F, although I don't usually go out in that. I
ride my bike around town all winter, but not fast, so I don't get sweaty.
I have a windbreaker jacket shell, so I could wear something that's
wind-permeable but fluffy and insulating under the shell. I have a big
wool sweater, and that's pretty warm with the windbreaker over it, but
I don't think it would be warm enough at 0F.
I wonder what would be really warm? I don't go winter camping, I
just thought people in this newsg. might know.
Wool or down.
And don't forget your head and neck. You can lose a lot of heat there
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| Joy Beeson... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:30 pm |
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When I lived in upstate New York, I wore several all-wool jerseys and
two or three pairs of wool tights. Gets really cold or windy, wear
thin, tight-woven nylon slacks over the tights. (Since it can't rain
when it's that cold, cotton will do.)
I wore a spin-silk turtleneck under the jerseys.
I had a pair of hand-knit alpaca tights that I could wear only on the
coldest days of January. I can wear them in rather mild weather now;
I suspect that it isn't so much that they have worn thin as that my
metabolism has slowed down.
The bread-bag trick really does work, but you need a fresh pair of
bags for every trip, and two pairs if you get off -- it's seldom
possible to put a used bread bag back on again. Even a bikie doesn't
eat that much bread! And I don't think that clipless cleats would cut
their own hole in the bag the way slot cleats did. (I used wool
gaiters to hold the bags in place.)
Toe-clip covers are also a good idea, if you can find them. (And if
you have toe clips.) I had booties, but when I wore them I had to
leave the Velcro undone because the designer thought that the wearer
would have atrophied calves -- they were too tight through the ankles
even without any warm clothing on.
Pay attention to your ankles. They won't ever feel cold, but if
warmly insulated they won't pre-chill the blood you are sending to
your toes.
Climb hills as slowly as you can -- make that respite from the wind
last!
Joy Beeson
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http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ -- sewing
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The above message is a Usenet post.
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| Peter Clinch... |
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:32 am |
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Graven Water wrote:
Quote: It's getting cold, and I'm looking for a natural fiber jacket/sweater for
the winter.
Fibres aren't really warm of themselves, what makes for the insulation
is still air that they trap. Down is currently about the best way of
doing that, as long as it's dry.
Most downies use synthetic shells because they're easier to make light,
down-proof and moisture-inhibiting, but if you must have natural then I
guess someone out there makes them in cotton.
Using a light wool base-layer underneath (Merino is particularly good,
but quite pricey) will help keep your skin dry which is a definite bonus
in keeping warm.
Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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| Graven Water... |
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:02 am |
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Joy Beeson <jbeeson at (no spam) invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
Quote: When I lived in upstate New York, I wore several all-wool jerseys
So is a wool jersey good at keeping wind out? Perhaps one could wear a
wool jersey and a big sweater or two underneath?
I already have a (synthetic) jacket shell, so I don't need a shell now -
so that would be for the future.
It seems like the best plan might be to use a shell and wear wool
sweater(s) under it.
It's possible to get a down jacket with waxed cotton exterior. I don't
know what it's lined with. But reviews said the waxed cotton attracts
lint like crazy, and I don't want something high-maintenance.
So the concept of doing it all by layers, having several different
garments doing the job together, may be what works best. Your standard
synthetic-fabric down jacket is trying to incorporate a lot of layers in
one jacket.
So I guess my question is partly, what's the fluffiest kind of wool to
wear under the shell? Perhaps as a second sweater under the big wool
sweater I already have. Another person said merino wool. Is this the
fluffiest and most air-trapping wool option? I don't mind if it's
somewhat pricey.
Quote: two or three pairs of wool tights.
Those aren't scratchy next to your skin?
Quote: The bread-bag trick really does work, but you need a fresh pair of
bags for every trip, and two pairs if you get off -- it's seldom
possible to put a used bread bag back on again.
Bread-bag trick ... I suppose you are referring to keeping feet warm? I
jsut wear hiking boots with a couple of warm socks. That keeps me warm
biking around town, but I'd be interested in a lighter option. I don't
know where the heat mostly gets out in in my lighter closed shoes, whether
it's through the leather uppers or the soles, but maybe some kind of
natural-fabric bag around them would keep the warmth in well on the bike
(I don't have that size of plastic waste bag). Interesting thought.
Another thing I might try to replace with some natural fiber is my
balaclava. I've used a synthetic balaclava for years, it's very thin and
light under the bike helmet and keeps my head & neck warm fine; but
perhaps some natural version would also be thin enough and stretchy
enough.
Thanks,
Laura |
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| Graven Water... |
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:08 am |
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Joy Beeson <jbeeson at (no spam) invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
Quote: When I lived in upstate New York, I wore several all-wool jerseys
So is a wool jersey good at keeping wind out? Perhaps one could wear a
wool jersey and a big sweater or two underneath?
I already have a (synthetic) jacket shell, so I don't need a shell now -
so that would be for the future.
It seems like the best plan might be to use a shell and wear wool
sweater(s) under it.
It's possible to get a down jacket with waxed cotton exterior. I don't
know what it's lined with. But reviews said the waxed cotton attracts
lint like crazy, and I don't want something high-maintenance.
So the concept of doing it all by layers, having several different
garments doing the job together, may be what works best. Your standard
synthetic-fabric down jacket is trying to incorporate a lot of layers in
one jacket.
So I guess my question is partly, what's the fluffiest kind of wool to
wear under the shell? Perhaps as a second sweater under the big wool
sweater I already have. Another person said merino wool. Is this the
fluffiest and most air-trapping wool option? I don't mind if it's
somewhat pricey.
Quote: two or three pairs of wool tights.
Those aren't scratchy next to your skin?
Quote: The bread-bag trick really does work, but you need a fresh pair of
bags for every trip, and two pairs if you get off -- it's seldom
possible to put a used bread bag back on again.
Bread-bag trick ... I suppose you are referring to keeping feet warm? I
jsut wear hiking boots with a couple of warm socks. That keeps me warm
biking around town, but I'd be interested in a lighter option. I don't
know where the heat mostly gets out in in my lighter closed shoes, whether
it's through the leather uppers or the soles, but maybe some kind of
natural-fabric bag around them would keep the warmth in well on the bike
(I don't have that size of plastic waste bag). Interesting thought.
Another thing I might try to replace with some natural fiber is my
balaclava. I've used a synthetic balaclava for years, it's very thin and
light under the bike helmet and keeps my head & neck warm fine; but
perhaps some natural version would also be thin enough and stretchy
enough.
Thanks,
Laura |
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| Graven Water... |
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:50 am |
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Joy Beeson <jbeeson at (no spam) invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
Quote: When I lived in upstate New York, I wore several all-wool jerseys
So is a wool jersey good at keeping wind out? Perhaps one could wear a
wool jersey and a big sweater or two underneath?
I already have a (synthetic) jacket shell, so I don't need a shell now -
so that would be for the future.
It seems like the best plan might be to use a shell and wear wool
sweater(s) under it.
It's possible to get a down jacket with waxed cotton exterior. I don't
know what it's lined with. But reviews said the waxed cotton attracts
lint like crazy, and I don't want something high-maintenance.
So the concept of doing it all by layers, having several different
garments doing the job together, may be what works best. Your standard
synthetic-fabric down jacket is trying to incorporate a lot of layers in
one jacket.
So I guess my question is partly, what's the fluffiest kind of wool to
wear under the shell? Perhaps as a second sweater under the big wool
sweater I already have. Another person said merino wool. Is this the
fluffiest and most air-trapping wool option? I don't mind if it's
somewhat pricey.
Quote: two or three pairs of wool tights.
Those aren't scratchy next to your skin?
Quote: The bread-bag trick really does work, but you need a fresh pair of
bags for every trip, and two pairs if you get off -- it's seldom
possible to put a used bread bag back on again.
Bread-bag trick ... I suppose you are referring to keeping feet warm? I
jsut wear hiking boots with a couple of warm socks. That keeps me warm
biking around town, but I'd be interested in a lighter option. I don't
know where the heat mostly gets out in in my lighter closed shoes, whether
it's through the leather uppers or the soles, but maybe some kind of
natural-fabric bag around them would keep the warmth in well on the bike
(I don't have that size of plastic waste bag). Interesting thought.
Another thing I might try to replace with some natural fiber is my
balaclava. I've used a synthetic balaclava for years, it's very thin and
light under the bike helmet and keeps my head & neck warm fine; but
perhaps some natural version would also be thin enough and stretchy
enough.
Thanks,
Laura |
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| Graven Water... |
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:44 am |
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Joy Beeson <jbeeson at (no spam) invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
Quote: When I lived in upstate New York, I wore several all-wool jerseys
So is a wool jersey good at keeping wind out? Perhaps one could wear a
wool jersey and a big sweater or two underneath?
I already have a (synthetic) jacket shell, so I don't need a shell now -
so that would be for the future.
It seems like the best plan might be to use a shell and wear wool
sweater(s) under it.
It's possible to get a down jacket with waxed cotton exterior. I don't
know what it's lined with. But reviews said the waxed cotton attracts
lint like crazy, and I don't want something high-maintenance.
So the concept of doing it all by layers, having several different
garments doing the job together, may be what works best. Your standard
synthetic-fabric down jacket is trying to incorporate a lot of layers in
one jacket.
So I guess my question is partly, what's the fluffiest kind of wool to
wear under the shell? Perhaps as a second sweater under the big wool
sweater I already have. Another person said merino wool. Is this the
fluffiest and most air-trapping wool option? I don't mind if it's
somewhat pricey.
Quote: two or three pairs of wool tights.
Those aren't scratchy next to your skin?
Quote: The bread-bag trick really does work, but you need a fresh pair of
bags for every trip, and two pairs if you get off -- it's seldom
possible to put a used bread bag back on again.
Bread-bag trick ... I suppose you are referring to keeping feet warm? I
jsut wear hiking boots with a couple of warm socks. That keeps me warm
biking around town, but I'd be interested in a lighter option. I don't
know where the heat mostly gets out in in my lighter closed shoes, whether
it's through the leather uppers or the soles, but maybe some kind of
natural-fabric bag around them would keep the warmth in well on the bike
(I don't have that size of plastic waste bag). Interesting thought.
Another thing I might try to replace with some natural fiber is my
balaclava. I've used a synthetic balaclava for years, it's very thin and
light under the bike helmet and keeps my head & neck warm fine; but
perhaps some natural version would also be thin enough and stretchy
enough.
Thanks,
Laura |
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| VtSkier... |
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:12 pm |
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Graven Water wrote:
Quote: Joy Beeson <jbeeson at (no spam) invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
When I lived in upstate New York, I wore several all-wool jerseys
So is a wool jersey good at keeping wind out? Perhaps one could wear a
wool jersey and a big sweater or two underneath?
I already have a (synthetic) jacket shell, so I don't need a shell now -
so that would be for the future.
It seems like the best plan might be to use a shell and wear wool
sweater(s) under it.
It's possible to get a down jacket with waxed cotton exterior. I don't
know what it's lined with. But reviews said the waxed cotton attracts
lint like crazy, and I don't want something high-maintenance.
So the concept of doing it all by layers, having several different
garments doing the job together, may be what works best. Your standard
synthetic-fabric down jacket is trying to incorporate a lot of layers in
one jacket.
So I guess my question is partly, what's the fluffiest kind of wool to
wear under the shell? Perhaps as a second sweater under the big wool
sweater I already have. Another person said merino wool. Is this the
fluffiest and most air-trapping wool option? I don't mind if it's
somewhat pricey.
two or three pairs of wool tights.
Those aren't scratchy next to your skin?
The bread-bag trick really does work, but you need a fresh pair of
bags for every trip, and two pairs if you get off -- it's seldom
possible to put a used bread bag back on again.
Bread-bag trick ... I suppose you are referring to keeping feet warm? I
jsut wear hiking boots with a couple of warm socks. That keeps me warm
biking around town, but I'd be interested in a lighter option. I don't
know where the heat mostly gets out in in my lighter closed shoes, whether
it's through the leather uppers or the soles, but maybe some kind of
natural-fabric bag around them would keep the warmth in well on the bike
(I don't have that size of plastic waste bag). Interesting thought.
Another thing I might try to replace with some natural fiber is my
balaclava. I've used a synthetic balaclava for years, it's very thin and
light under the bike helmet and keeps my head & neck warm fine; but
perhaps some natural version would also be thin enough and stretchy
enough.
Thanks,
Laura
Uhm, just curious. Why are you so set on 'only'
natural fabrics?
Many synthetics which may do a better job and
be lighter than naturals are up to 100%
recycled material. Some poly-fleece is 100%
recycled milk containers, for instance. |
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| hlillywh at (no spam) juno.com... |
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:26 am |
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On Nov 8, 8:06 am, p... at (no spam) grex.org (Graven Water) wrote:
Quote: Wool has to be hand-washed or drycleaned,
Maybe the fancy wool designed to make you look in style but certainly
not all wool. I have wool shirts, socks, pants etc and I just throw
them in the washing machine on cold, then hang them up to dry. No
problem with shrinkage that way.
Hint: if you do that, I understand that a spoonful of olive oil in the
rinse water will help keep it from getting scratchy. I wouldn't know,
wool next to my skin doesn't bother me in most cases anyway. |
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| gr... |
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:19 pm |
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Consider non-natural fiber. Sporthill make some XC gear that blocks wind
to 30mph, but wicks to keep you dry, and is tremendously warm and light.
SOmething like their Zone 3 (0-40 degree) might suit you.
Jacket
http://sporthill.com/prodlist.php?zonecat=Z3JACK&gender=w
Top:
http://sporthill.com/prodlist.php?zonecat=Z3TOPS&gender=w
BAse layer:
http://sporthill.com/prodlist.php?zonecat=Z2TOPS&gender=w
Just a base layer, plus your existing wool and shell might do it for
you. A clingy base layer stops drafts very well.
gr
Graven Water wrote:
Quote: It's getting cold, and I'm looking for a natural fiber jacket/sweater for
the winter. I live in upstate NY, it gets down to 0F fairly often in the
winter, sometimes even -10F, although I don't usually go out in that. I
ride my bike around town all winter, but not fast, so I don't get sweaty.
I have a windbreaker jacket shell, so I could wear something that's
wind-permeable but fluffy and insulating under the shell. I have a big
wool sweater, and that's pretty warm with the windbreaker over it, but
I don't think it would be warm enough at 0F.
I wonder what would be really warm? I don't go winter camping, I
just thought people in this newsg. might know.
Laura
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| mkt... |
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:44 pm |
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On Nov 8, 1:26 pm, "hlill... at (no spam) juno.com" <hlill... at (no spam) juno.com> wrote:
Quote: On Nov 8, 8:06 am, p... at (no spam) grex.org (Graven Water) wrote:
Wool has to be hand-washed or drycleaned,
Maybe the fancy wool designed to make you look in style but certainly
not all wool. I have wool shirts, socks, pants etc and I just throw
them in the washing machine on cold, then hang them up to dry. No
problem with shrinkage that way.
Hint: if you do that, I understand that a spoonful of olive oil in the
rinse water will help keep it from getting scratchy. I wouldn't know,
wool next to my skin doesn't bother me in most cases anyway.
Yes, I do that with my wool hiking socks. Machine wash cold, hang
dry. There may be some wool socks that can't stand up to that
treatment, but my thinking is: if they can't survive that wimpy test-
to-destruction, then I didn't want to own that pair of socks anyway.
I haven't tried the olive oil trick. Reminds me of a Mad Magazine
satire of Consumer Reports, in which the testers subjected some
product (maybe wool shirts) to severe testing by dousing them with
milk and flour and heating them to hundreds of degrees in an oven.
Test results: not only did some of the shirts "smell tempting, but
they tasted delicious!". ;)
I don't wear wool shirts anymore, so I don't have firsthand experience
with their ability to stand up to machine-washing. But the hiking
socks do fine.
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| Peter Clinch... |
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:52 am |
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Joy Beeson wrote:
Quote: It's not to protect from bumps -- it's the only place I can hang a
rear-view mirror. (I rarely ride where there is no motorized
traffic.)
Handlebars are the obvious place, or you can get ones that mount on
the arm on a pair of glasses. Glasses are handy in cold weather to
stop eyes watering even if you don't need a prescription.
Modern bar-mount mirrors tend not to suffer too much from vibration
and IME work better than helmet or glasses mounted ones.
Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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| Eugene Miya... |
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:58 pm |
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Wolverine never freezes.
I also own samples (hats) of muskox and cariboo.
Icelandic wool is also liked by some (if one can get to Vik, Iceland and
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| Joy Beeson... |
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:50 am |
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:52:00 +0000, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch at (no spam) dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
Quote: Handlebars are the obvious place, or you can get ones that mount on
the arm on a pair of glasses. Glasses are handy in cold weather to
stop eyes watering even if you don't need a prescription.
Modern bar-mount mirrors tend not to suffer too much from vibration
Modern bar-mount mirrors stop the *handlebars* from vibrating?
Vibration isn't really an issue -- unless it's a chip-and-seal road,
in which case my fingers go numb. (Haven't noticed that lately;
probably because I won't stay on a rough road that long. Not to
mention that roads near our retirement home aren't *uniformly* rough.)
The problem is that the handlebars aren't synchronized with my head.
Glasses aren't an option because I *do* wear prescription lenses, and
can only have one pair at a time because it takes me a while to adapt
even when both pairs are the same exact prescription. (Not to mention
that I'm forgetful, so it isn't advisable to try to keep track of more
than one pair of specs. One pair isn't difficult, as I can't see well
enough to walk away from it.)
So I'd have to mount and dismount the mirror on my glasses every time
I got on the bike, and I'd not like to wear, when not on the bike, a
frame with temples sturdy enough to mount a mirror on.
So FOR ME a helmet-mounted mirror is the only option.
Quote: and IME work better than helmet or glasses mounted ones.
How big were the helmet mirrors you tried? Anything bigger than a
U.S. quarter will block way too much of the forward view.
And I found that mirrors on plastic mounts don't work; no matter how
many unreliable ball joints they add, you can't get the mirror into
the right place at the right angle. The one I use looks as though it
had been improvised with a stainless-steel spoke, a dentist's mirror,
a beer can, and some epoxy and shrink tubing. I don't recall where I
got it, so I'm glad there's a back-up copy in the bike cupboard.
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