"Ive been reading Len's books and posts for a very long time, and Id
be
honored to not only ride the river with him, but to have him watch my
six. "

Hummm...1999 and I cant seem to find anything reguarding Lens works in
that post.  Is there some other place I should be looking?

I see once again.. you avoid the question placed directly ON YOU..and
blither off some buffoonery and hope no one notices.

And so you continue your crusade to save the unsuspecting Usenet
posters from the evil Mark.

What a sport you are and what would these
poor people do without you. <chuckle> Do you have any other
interests at all? I keep waiting to see you post something unrelated
to Mark. When was the last time you did that?

On Sep 6, 2:25 pm, Gunner Asch <gun... at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 05:19:34 -0700 (PDT), Kayak44





s200hondas... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 5, 9:23 pm, Gunner Asch <gun... at (no spam) lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:35:00 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi... at (no spam) gmail.com"

maguahi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Actually the term "Professional" just means you get some type of
remuneration for your efforts.  It does NOT signify that you are
smarter, more well read, or have any kind of experience in the related
field. Definitions, it is all about Definitions........

Hmmm. I was intrigued so I looked it up.

A professional is a member of a vocation founded upon specialised
educational training.
The word professional traditionally means a person who has obtained a
degree in a professional field. The term professional is used more
generally to denote a white collar working person, or a person who
performs commercially in a field typically reserved for hobbyists or
amateurs.
In western nations, such as the United States, the term commonly
describes highly educated, mostly salaried workers, who enjoy
considerable work autonomy, economic security, a comfortable salary,
and are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging
work.[1][2][3][4] Less technically, it may also refer to a person
having impressive competence in a particular activity.[5]

Yep...looked it up...no specialty or skill or highly educated...def
not Len

Odd...from what Ive seen so far....he has published a series of fairly
well recieved books.

Well recieved by who? His girlfirend/business partner?

Those that purchased copies. Ive not seen any counter claims from actual
readers. Could you please provide links to negative reviews of Lens
work?

Thank you.

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Outdoor-Survival-Modern-Approach/product-reviews/1558212280/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_2?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addTwoStar

Here are all the book reviews his wife has on Amazon, funny that only
Lens books are reviewed. Like I said, deception.

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3HYONXM1WEBJS/ref=cm_cr_dp_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort%5Fby=MostRecentReview

On Sep 9, 11:22 am, wmbjkREM... at (no spam) citlink.net wrote:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:56:19 -0700 (PDT), Kayak44



s200hondas... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 8, 3:37 pm,GunnerAsch<gun... at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:00:12 -0500, "The moderator"
So buy up some of his books and read them.  You can post your own reviews.

I may just do that.

You already did.

In your own words...

"I personally have read most if not all of Lens books. And they are
written for the newby, the amature, the folks who most need the
lessons.  Interesting writing style. Well written for the most part."

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.backcountry/msg/2b0094db4ab959fa?h...

Sheesh, gummer probably tells a whopper of that caliber most mornings
before breakfast!

I see that this thread is crossposted to rec.backcountry. Readers
there may have missed some of gummy's best recent alternate-reality
adventures in other newsgroups.

Did he lecture you guys on eschewing credit, and how he sagely turns
down multiple offers of credit every week? Reality: dozens of liens
stretching back nearly 3 *decades*.http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkphttp://tinyurl.com/l68gh3http://tinyurl.com/mbcb96

Has he repeatedly reminded you about his magnificent stature, in order
to make you fear his physical wrath? Reality: He has yet to make good
on even one of his hundreds of threats, and there's a reason for that.
shudder>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/Bypass#5297722097241260450

Have you read any of his macroeconomics essays, and how he'd solve
California's financial problems in particular? Reality: His only
contribution was to suck up $3.5 *million* in handouts... so far!http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/5a5ae3c861f612b4

Did he brag about his happy-go-lucky personality? Reality: Don't read
the following within a half-hour of eating.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7f8dc0540354ade1

Surely by now you're convinced of his backwoods prowess. Reality:
hidden-camera video of gummer in the wild.  :-)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJpYoZdYksg

Wayne


Gunner, WIEBER MARK R, whatever your name really is,
Is there any truth to this post? Hopefully, it's all lies and you're
not a phony like lennie.

Gunnar...your credibility is as limp as your...Anyone could sink to
your level of intellect that you display in your vocabulary...actually
if you do ever read Len's books, you may still be falling behind, they
are about 8th grade reading level.

You're not worth it to continue the banter. For some reason you can't
identify links with the works cited and attempt to fog the group with
your own editorials, you should be in politics. You're a bigger loser
than all of them
ROFLLLLL hahaha....i stole those laughs from your boring post and your
poor attempts to distract from the fact that your just a sad sad
little man.

To steal from one man is plagiarism, to steal from many is research.

On
"Ive been reading Len's books and posts for a very long time, and Id
be
honored to not only ride the river with him, but to have him watch my
six. "


Kayak,
Something tells me the river isn't the only thing he would ride with
Len...he's a very ill minded individual.

Hummm...1999 and I cant seem to find anything reguarding Lens works in
that post.  Is there some other place I should be looking?

Try peering up your arse with the rest of your worthless neandrathal
posts that spin circles around the facts.

ROFLMAO....in what way?

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:40:44 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

I did read through the book, though not as slowly as I could have. I was
curious as to Len's reply. Didn't want to spend a lot of hours writing a
review that would result in a vicious slam, and not be any use to
anyone. Having gotten a vicious slam for my efforts, I am not planning
to do any more reading or reviewing of that particular author. Unless
something changes.

I didn't think his schtick is bargain flash lights. Though, he did
mention having a Mag Solitaire with him, the one time he left his 2AA
mag in the tent.

I did notice that there were at least a few moments in the book that he
writes about having to deal with his own neglect. Leaving things behind,
or cut himself with a knife, or other things. I remember wondering if it
was a book about how to do it right, or a book about Len's neglect, and
all the times that went wrong. If I want to read how to do it wrong,
I'll review my own posts!

you need to understand that even experts make mistakes, and sometimes
get caught out in a bad situation. They even die from some mistakes
they make. Nobody is immortal, or immune to the laws of physics.

Piss poor preparation leads to piss poor performance. You need a few
things to survive any environment:
food (this of course includes water)
clothing
shelter
meds

so the idea is to construct a home away from home. without impacting
the environment in a detrimental way, nor depriving yourself of things
you need to maintain your health. This is not an easy task, as anyone
who has ever tried it will tell you.

The more you bring with you to begin with, the easier going things will
be.

Above all, you have to know your terrain, so you can avoid its
hazards and take advantage of what it has to offer.

None of this has anything to do with Len's books and articles, none of
which I have read to date.

Sincerely Yours,
Nick

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:39:09 -0500, pbj
postittothenewsgroup at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:25:06 -0500, Nicholas wrote:

The more you bring with you to begin with, the easier going things
will be.

Tell that to someone staggering along under an 80-pound backpack. :-p

I've carried 35, and IMO that's about all I care to, up into the
mountains.

It was tough going, since it was raining all during the inbound leg,
and my hips were rubbed RAW by the pack straps and belt.

These days, you can use an All Terrain Vehicle and pack what you need on
the back of it. Or stuff it in a car/vehicle if you're not going into
deep wilderness. The Laws/Regulations of the Wilderness area you're
going into dictate what you can and can't take along in the way of
transportation.

On the final return leg, I had a Ranger in a Jeep give me a lift as far
as the vehicle could go. I was completely drained of energy, and wasn't
going to make it to destination by nightfall.

That was in my younger days. Today, I'm a bit too decrepit to manage
much, so I stick pretty much to where I can get my car to and from, and
leave the deep exploration to the youngers. And I take about everything
I'll need with me before I leave the house. It's amazing what a 150
horsepower automobile engine can push around.

So I'm not in the backcountry. Good. It is hellish in there, with lots
of things that can and will infect and/or eat/kill you.

Even on SAFARI, nobody is stupid enough to not take along a
gasoline-powered VEHICLE.

So I'm not in the backcountry. Good. It is hellish in there, with
lots of things that can and will infect and/or eat/kill you.