On Sep 6, 2:25 pm, Gunner Asch <gun... at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 05:19:34 -0700 (PDT), Kayak44





s200hondas... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 5, 9:23 pm, Gunner Asch <gun... at (no spam) lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:35:00 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi... at (no spam) gmail.com"

maguahi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Actually the term "Professional" just means you get some type of
remuneration for your efforts.  It does NOT signify that you are
smarter, more well read, or have any kind of experience in the related
field. Definitions, it is all about Definitions........

Hmmm. I was intrigued so I looked it up.

A professional is a member of a vocation founded upon specialised
educational training.
The word professional traditionally means a person who has obtained a
degree in a professional field. The term professional is used more
generally to denote a white collar working person, or a person who
performs commercially in a field typically reserved for hobbyists or
amateurs.
In western nations, such as the United States, the term commonly
describes highly educated, mostly salaried workers, who enjoy
considerable work autonomy, economic security, a comfortable salary,
and are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging
work.[1][2][3][4] Less technically, it may also refer to a person
having impressive competence in a particular activity.[5]

Yep...looked it up...no specialty or skill or highly educated...def
not Len

Odd...from what Ive seen so far....he has published a series of fairly
well recieved books.

Well recieved by who? His girlfirend/business partner?

Those that purchased copies. Ive not seen any counter claims from actual
readers. Could you please provide links to negative reviews of Lens
work?

Thank you.

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Outdoor-Survival-Modern-Approach/product-reviews/1558212280/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_2?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addTwoStar

Here are all the book reviews his wife has on Amazon, funny that only
Lens books are reviewed. Like I said, deception.

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3HYONXM1WEBJS/ref=cm_cr_dp_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort%5Fby=MostRecentReview

On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:07:57 -0700 (PDT), "HH&C"





hot-ham-and-che... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 12:18 pm, Kayak44 <s200hondas... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 10:57 am, "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:03 am, Bob Haar <bobh... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:

On 9/6/09 8:21 PM, "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

I have a compass that my father had.

But the odd thing is that E/W are oriented the wrong way, so there are
"dymo" labels stuck to the glass over the E/W markings on the compass
to make it "right" again.  The compass is obviously for use in the
southern hemisphere.

Are you saying that having E/W reversed is for the southern hemisphere? The
relationship of E/W to magnetic north doesn't change south of the equator.

The magnetic needle no longer points to the north pole when in the
southern hemisphere.  It points to the south pole, but east remains
east, and west remains west.  So this compass was manufactured for use
in the southern hemisphere.

You may need some sort of visual aid to get your point across. I know
what you are talking about, but others seem to be lost (no pun
intended).

This used to be a survival oriented newsgroup.  Perhaps when It gets
closer to it's origins, I'll spend the time to help educate the masses
on things of a geographic nature, to include weather and climate.
Until then it doesn't appear that they are willing to learn.  Some
survivalists, huh?  Unwilling to learn.

Just a heads up..you may note those you are arguing with, are not
regulars on MS, but appear to be rec.backcountry.boys.

They tend to be far more ignorant of the realities of the physical world
than do the survivalists.

Shrug

Gunner

"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with
 minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing
clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do---
his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies.
He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?"

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Could please name the books you have written and sold so I may review
them?

Gunner

Im still waiting for the names of the books Lens "buddy" wrote.
Oddly enough..I suspect he isnt going to provide any names of books he
wrote.

On Sep 7, 4:10 pm, Gunner Asch <gun... at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:07:57 -0700 (PDT), "HH&C"





hot-ham-and-che... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 12:18 pm, Kayak44 <s200hondas... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 10:57 am, "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:03 am, Bob Haar <bobh... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:

On 9/6/09 8:21 PM, "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

I have a compass that my father had.

But the odd thing is that E/W are oriented the wrong way, so there are
"dymo" labels stuck to the glass over the E/W markings on the compass
to make it "right" again.  The compass is obviously for use in the
southern hemisphere.

Are you saying that having E/W reversed is for the southern hemisphere? The
relationship of E/W to magnetic north doesn't change south of the equator.

The magnetic needle no longer points to the north pole when in the
southern hemisphere.  It points to the south pole, but east remains
east, and west remains west.  So this compass was manufactured for use
in the southern hemisphere.

You may need some sort of visual aid to get your point across. I know
what you are talking about, but others seem to be lost (no pun
intended).

This used to be a survival oriented newsgroup.  Perhaps when It gets
closer to it's origins, I'll spend the time to help educate the masses
on things of a geographic nature, to include weather and climate.
Until then it doesn't appear that they are willing to learn.  Some
survivalists, huh?  Unwilling to learn.

Just a heads up..you may note those you are arguing with, are not
regulars on MS, but appear to be rec.backcountry.boys.

Perhaps we should be discussing banjos.

They tend to be far more ignorant of the realities of the physical world
than do the survivalists.

They seem to have the fine art of distilling down which might be
useful in any number of situations.

Just leave the heavy thinking to the regulars.

Shrug

Gunner

"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with
 minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing
clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do---
his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies.
He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?"

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Im still waiting for the names of the books Lens "buddy" wrote.
Oddly enough..I suspect he isnt going to provide any names of books he
wrote.

Sorry to disappoint you with actual works that I did, The proof is out
there in various places and many college campus libraries where my
various works are quoted and used with other research. The reason for
my late response is something you and lennie would both not
understand. I actually take trips to the wild and enjoy life outside
of you McComputer while you armchair naturalists sit on you old fat
arses.

Im still waiting for the names of the books Lens "buddy" wrote.
Oddly enough..I suspect he isnt going to provide any names of books he
wrote.

Sorry to disappoint you with actual works that I did, The proof is out
there in various places and many college campus libraries where my
various works are quoted and used with other research. The reason for
my late response is something you and lennie would both not
understand. I actually take trips to the wild and enjoy life outside
of you McComputer while you armchair naturalists sit on you old fat
arses.

I have read his books. It is easy to read as his
writing style appears much like an 8th grade level. Boring and
uninformative as hell. It does make one sick to their stomach to see
his mate writing reviews on his book to try and crank up sales. Quite
poor and filled with errors and mistakes as they have been listed and
listed again creating dangerous info. I did not claim he was a
chemist. Being an asshole, you told me to list items i have
written...and i did. the works I currently have going are actually
nature oriented though. And there are several individuals on this list
that have read my copies already and can vouch for me actually working
on projects. I never claim to be a perfect writer, etc. But I find no
errors when looking at the page. but to lash out over a comment that
you were a supporter? You need to get outside more and enjoy life.
Regarding listing anything else. I don't have to prove a thing. I am
not the one spamming lists to drum up biz.

On Sep 7, 8:40 pm, "maguahi... at (no spam) gmail.com" <maguahi... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Im still waiting for the names of the books Lens "buddy" wrote.
Oddly enough..I suspect he isnt going to provide any names of books he
wrote.

Sorry to disappoint you with actual works that I did, The proof is out
there in various places and many college campus libraries where my
various works are quoted and used with other research. The reason for
my late response is something you and lennie would both not
understand. I actually take trips to the wild and enjoy life outside
of you McComputer while you armchair naturalists sit on you old fat
arses.

This is the part when Gunner will start going round and round,
repeating questions that have been answered, you know, like Mike
Vandeman.

Len always cross posts to the survival board so a few of his groupies
will jump in and do his fighting for him.

Len posted and then ran for cover...again.

Just a heads up..you may note those you are arguing with, are not
regulars on MS, but appear to be rec.backcountry boys.

They tend to be far more ignorant of the realities of the physical world
than do the survivalists.

Shrug

Gunner

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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 05:19:34 -0700 (PDT), Kayak44
s200hondas200 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 5, 9:23 pm, Gunner Asch <gun... at (no spam) lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:35:00 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi... at (no spam) gmail.com"





maguahi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Actually the term "Professional" just means you get some type of
remuneration for your efforts. It does NOT signify that you are
smarter, more well read, or have any kind of experience in the
related
field. Definitions, it is all about Definitions........

Hmmm. I was intrigued so I looked it up.

A professional is a member of a vocation founded upon specialised
educational training.
The word professional traditionally means a person who has obtained a
degree in a professional field. The term professional is used more
generally to denote a white collar working person, or a person who
performs commercially in a field typically reserved for hobbyists or
amateurs.
In western nations, such as the United States, the term commonly
describes highly educated, mostly salaried workers, who enjoy
considerable work autonomy, economic security, a comfortable salary,
and are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging
work.[1][2][3][4] Less technically, it may also refer to a person
having impressive competence in a particular activity.[5]

Yep...looked it up...no specialty or skill or highly educated...def
not Len

Odd...from what Ive seen so far....he has published a series of fairly
well recieved books.

Well recieved by who? His girlfirend/business partner?

Those that purchased copies. Ive not seen any counter claims from actual
readers. Could you please provide links to negative reviews of Lens
work?

You don't have to purchase Len's books to read his writing. He posts some
of it on here. Have you read any of his posted excerpts?

yes. As I recall, a couple. And?

"Gunner Asch" <gunner at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
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Just a heads up..you may note those you are arguing with, are not
regulars on MS, but appear to be rec.backcountry boys.

They tend to be far more ignorant of the realities of the physical world
than do the survivalists.

Shrug


Gunner

That is a laugh. The doomsday paranoia of misc.survivalism isn't exactly
scholarly dialog. We are doing just fine walking through the mountains
while you hunker down in your bunkers.

Shrug..and you will be sharing the mountains and rural places with every

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:09:36 -0500, "The moderator"
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"Gunner Asch" <gunner at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
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Just a heads up..you may note those you are arguing with, are not
regulars on MS, but appear to be rec.backcountry boys.

They tend to be far more ignorant of the realities of the physical world
than do the survivalists.

Shrug


Gunner

That is a laugh. The doomsday paranoia of misc.survivalism isn't exactly
scholarly dialog. We are doing just fine walking through the mountains
while you hunker down in your bunkers.

Shrug..and you will be sharing the mountains and rural places with every
mothers son and his family that bailed out of the city with enough gas
to get there, after an "emergency".

They will have brought a small amount of food, their kids and criters, a
couple guns and maybe a tent.

When their food runs out...they will be eating what?

Hope you got your track shoes on..your gonna need em.

G

Gunner

On Sep 8, 3:37 pm, Gunner Asch <gun... at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:00:12 -0500, "The moderator"

So buy up some of his books and read them.  You can post your own reviews.

I may just do that.

You already did.

In your own words...

"I personally have read most if not all of Lens books. And they are
written for the newby, the amature, the folks who most need the
lessons. Interesting writing style. Well written for the most part."

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.backcountry/msg/2b0094db4ab959fa?hl=en&dmode=source

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:56:19 -0700 (PDT), Kayak44



s200hondas... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 8, 3:37 pm,GunnerAsch<gun... at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:00:12 -0500, "The moderator"
So buy up some of his books and read them.  You can post your own reviews.

I may just do that.

You already did.

In your own words...

"I personally have read most if not all of Lens books. And they are
written for the newby, the amature, the folks who most need the
lessons.  Interesting writing style. Well written for the most part."

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.backcountry/msg/2b0094db4ab959fa?h...

Sheesh, gummer probably tells a whopper of that caliber most mornings
before breakfast!

I see that this thread is crossposted to rec.backcountry. Readers
there may have missed some of gummy's best recent alternate-reality
adventures in other newsgroups.

Did he lecture you guys on eschewing credit, and how he sagely turns
down multiple offers of credit every week? Reality: dozens of liens
stretching back nearly 3 *decades*.http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkphttp://tinyurl.com/l68gh3http://tinyurl.com/mbcb96

Has he repeatedly reminded you about his magnificent stature, in order
to make you fear his physical wrath? Reality: He has yet to make good
on even one of his hundreds of threats, and there's a reason for that.
shudder>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/Bypass#5297722097241260450

Have you read any of his macroeconomics essays, and how he'd solve
California's financial problems in particular? Reality: His only
contribution was to suck up $3.5 *million* in handouts... so far!http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/5a5ae3c861f612b4

Did he brag about his happy-go-lucky personality? Reality: Don't read
the following within a half-hour of eating.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7f8dc0540354ade1

Surely by now you're convinced of his backwoods prowess. Reality:
hidden-camera video of gummer in the wild.  :-)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJpYoZdYksg

Wayne