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| t(nospam)kavanagh |
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Carmen wrote:
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[quote:92fc5fe577]
Twining is a skill that is universal throughout various locations of the
world.
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I wouldn't say "universal," just wide-spread. Thus its occurance in New
England and New Zealand is mere coincidence, and irrelevant to Yuri's
claim of diffusion from the Pacific Northwest to Polynesia.
And note: Pacific NW woven bark cloth is nothing like tapa as Yuri is
wont to claim.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:55 pm |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:25:00 -0500, "t(nospam)kavanagh"
<"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> wrote:
[msge snipped]
[quote:dbc1be40b2]You are gonna have some real tight 'splain' to do to link the basketry
technologies of NZ with those of the Wampanoags
[/quote:dbc1be40b2]
That one will go over her head.
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| George |
| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:33 pm |
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"Carmen" <carmenz30@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<cd29q4$r3v$1@news.wave.co.nz>...
[quote:f566855653]"t(nospam)kavanagh" <"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:cd1qt1$mi0$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
Carmen wrote:
snip
From what I can see of it there is a
'Wamapanoag bag Open twined zigzag warp'
which looks to be twined in similar fashion to
our muka kete and also korowai work. :-
http://www.nativetech.org/weave/basketandbag/
The Wampanoag were, and ARE, of course, located in what is now modern
day Massachusetts and Rhode Island, on the *EAST COAST* of North
America, not the *WEST COAST*.
You are gonna have some real tight 'splain' to do to link the basketry
technologies of NZ with those of the Wampanoags
Carmen wrote:
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What is 'splain' ?
Did I say the basketry technologies of NZ are linked with those of the
Wampanoags ?
No I didn't, I said a bag looks to be twined
in similar fashion to muka kete.
Twining is a skill that is universal throughout various locations of the
world.
Yup.[/quote:f566855653]
In Maori tradition Carmen is one who can talk to people about the arts
of weaving, plaiting and such. See
http://www.maoritreasures.com/konae_aronui/weave.htm
This field is where the women are knowledgable
The men do the carving, building and waka building. see
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mspp/kapingamarangi/canoe.html
this is a field where the men are knowledgable.... |
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| Philip Deitiker |
| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:02 pm |
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| Carmen |
| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:19 pm |
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"David Johnson" <trolleyfan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[quote:fc5bb75cf0]"Carmen" <carmenz30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"t(nospam)kavanagh" <"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> wrote in message
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Carmen wrote:
snip
From what I can see of it there is a
'Wamapanoag bag Open twined zigzag warp'
which looks to be twined in similar fashion to
our muka kete and also korowai work. :-
http://www.nativetech.org/weave/basketandbag/
The Wampanoag were, and ARE, of course, located in what is now modern
day Massachusetts and Rhode Island, on the *EAST COAST* of North
America, not the *WEST COAST*.
You are gonna have some real tight 'splain' to do to link the basketry
technologies of NZ with those of the Wampanoags
Carmen wrote:
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What is 'splain' ?
As in "Lucy, you've got some 'splain' to do..."*
Did I say the basketry technologies of NZ are linked with those of the
Wampanoags ?
No I didn't, I said a bag looks to be twined
in similar fashion to muka kete.
I don't think he was suggesting that _you_ linked the two. But 'round
here, we've got some people who - unless you specify
every...single...detail of what you said (no matter how much you
personally might believe that only an idiot could not understand what
you meant. Well, they're idiots...) - will twist what you said into
something that supports their own personal belief system and it will
then create another three, four-hundred messages in the thread of
people telling them, no, he/she meant _this_.
As such, many people here now try to head this off at the pass, so to
speak. It doesn't help much - Seppo, 'fer instance, can twist
_anything_ (example: he's now arguing that the words "designation" and
"name" mean completely unrelated things) - but you do what you can.
[/quote:fc5bb75cf0]
Oh right, there's a lot of that on usenet,
I don't read those type of threads,
in fact I actually read very little on usenet
that is not of some useful informative value.
[quote:fc5bb75cf0]Twining is a skill that is universal throughout various locations of the
world.
Yes - which perhaps makes it somewhat less than useful to track
cultures. It's kinda like saying "look, these two people _both_ cut
down trees by hacking through the base of them with axes! They _must_
be related!"
[/quote:fc5bb75cf0]
They might be related.
Carmen
[quote:fc5bb75cf0]David
* R. Ricardo - 1952-1960[/quote:fc5bb75cf0] |
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| Carmen |
| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:32 pm |
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"George" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message
news:9b937279.0407141233.4d320d71@posting.google.com...
[quote:255a9b1b85]"Carmen" <carmenz30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<cd29q4$r3v$1@news.wave.co.nz>...
"t(nospam)kavanagh" <"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:cd1qt1$mi0$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
Carmen wrote:
snip
From what I can see of it there is a
'Wamapanoag bag Open twined zigzag warp'
which looks to be twined in similar fashion to
our muka kete and also korowai work. :-
http://www.nativetech.org/weave/basketandbag/
The Wampanoag were, and ARE, of course, located in what is now modern
day Massachusetts and Rhode Island, on the *EAST COAST* of North
America, not the *WEST COAST*.
You are gonna have some real tight 'splain' to do to link the basketry
technologies of NZ with those of the Wampanoags
Carmen wrote:
.
What is 'splain' ?
Did I say the basketry technologies of NZ are linked with those of the
Wampanoags ?
No I didn't, I said a bag looks to be twined
in similar fashion to muka kete.
Twining is a skill that is universal throughout various locations of the
world.
Yup.
In Maori tradition Carmen is one who can talk to people about the arts
of weaving, plaiting and such.
[/quote:255a9b1b85]
Quite right George something I do frequently.
Carmen
[quote:255a9b1b85]See
http://www.maoritreasures.com/konae_aronui/weave.htm
This field is where the women are knowledgable
The men do the carving, building and waka building. see
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mspp/kapingamarangi/canoe.html
this is a field where the men are knowledgable....[/quote:255a9b1b85] |
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| Carmen |
| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:58 pm |
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"t(nospam)kavanagh" <"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> wrote in message
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[quote:726caf9935]Carmen wrote:
snip
Twining is a skill that is universal throughout various locations of the
world.
I wouldn't say "universal," just wide-spread. Thus its occurance in New
England and New Zealand is mere coincidence, and irrelevant to Yuri's
claim of diffusion from the Pacific Northwest to Polynesia.
And note: Pacific NW woven bark cloth is nothing like tapa as Yuri is
wont to claim.
tk
[/quote:726caf9935]
Oh and thanks for your civil reply Mr Kavanagh.
I am generally reluctant to have
discussions with anyone from alt.native,
or associates of your mate "Jim Bright Thunder"
and / or his mate Graeme Butler and some
of their other mates.
However it is appropriate to acknowledge
that you are at least are civil and sociable.
Carmen |
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| t(nospam)kavanagh |
| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:52 pm |
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Carmen wrote:
[quote:5e6d5b5bf0]
"t(nospam)kavanagh" <"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:cd3rst$b9e$2@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
Carmen wrote:
snip
Twining is a skill that is universal throughout various locations of the
world.
I wouldn't say "universal," just wide-spread. Thus its occurance in New
England and New Zealand is mere coincidence, and irrelevant to Yuri's
claim of diffusion from the Pacific Northwest to Polynesia.
And note: Pacific NW woven bark cloth is nothing like tapa as Yuri is
wont to claim.
tk
Oh and thanks for your civil reply Mr Kavanagh.
I am generally reluctant to have
discussions with anyone from alt.native,
or associates of your mate "Jim Bright Thunder"
and / or his mate Graeme Butler and some
of their other mates.
However it is appropriate to acknowledge
that you are at least are civil and sociable.
[/quote:5e6d5b5bf0]
This is posted from sci.archaeology. :-)
You will note that I seldom post on alt.native, although I read it daily
to see what's up.
tk |
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| Seppo Renfors |
| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:32 am |
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Carmen wrote:
[quote:852b58c029]
"David Johnson" <trolleyfan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[/quote:852b58c029]
[..]
[quote:852b58c029]As such, many people here now try to head this off at the pass, so to
speak. It doesn't help much - Seppo, 'fer instance, can twist
_anything_ (example: he's now arguing that the words "designation" and
"name" mean completely unrelated things) - but you do what you can.
Oh right, there's a lot of that on usenet,
I don't read those type of threads,
in fact I actually read very little on usenet
that is not of some useful informative value.
[/quote:852b58c029]
Oh but you do indeed "read those type of threads" - that reply by
"David Johnson" is one of those by a very dishonest person - he LIES
again. I'm NOT arguing anything like that - there is another nutter,
much like "David Johnson", who is arguing that with themselves! It is
dishonest bastard like "David Johnson" that makes usenet what it is.
--
SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
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The one who is educated from the wrong books is not educated, he is
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| Yuri Kuchinsky |
| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:18 am |
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gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote in message news:<9b937279.0407151243.22150bd3@posting.google.com>...
[quote:c1a156677c]yuku@trends.ca (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote in message news:<2b61489c.0407111009.7cb67785@posting.google.com>...
I don't think somehow that the traditional Maori and Canadian West
Coast canoes have changed so much since 1927...
"Their [Canadian West Coast Natives'] canoes are large and roomy,
capable of accommodating scores of men; they are made with great skill
and artistic talent; they are of all primitive craft the most fitted
for meeting the conditions of oceanic voyaging, and have a great
resemblance to the Maori war canoe." (John Macmillan Brown, PEOPLES
AND PROBLEMS OF THE PACIFIC. London, 1927, Vol. II, p. 68)
After all the work done since 1927 in the fields of comparative
anthropology, DNA, Linguistics and the current rat tracing you are
locked into a claim long refuted.
[/quote:c1a156677c]
Refuted by who?
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices -=O=- William James |
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| George |
| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:03 pm |
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yuku@trends.ca (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote in message news:<2b61489c.0407160918.ff7acf1@posting.google.com>...
[quote:1390912cbe]gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote in message news:<9b937279.0407151243.22150bd3@posting.google.com>...
yuku@trends.ca (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote in message news:<2b61489c.0407111009.7cb67785@posting.google.com>...
I don't think somehow that the traditional Maori and Canadian West
Coast canoes have changed so much since 1927...
"Their [Canadian West Coast Natives'] canoes are large and roomy,
capable of accommodating scores of men; they are made with great skill
and artistic talent; they are of all primitive craft the most fitted
for meeting the conditions of oceanic voyaging, and have a great
resemblance to the Maori war canoe." (John Macmillan Brown, PEOPLES
AND PROBLEMS OF THE PACIFIC. London, 1927, Vol. II, p. 68)
After all the work done since 1927 in the fields of comparative
anthropology, DNA, Linguistics and the current rat tracing you are
locked into a claim long refuted.
Refuted by who?
Every-one currently working in Anthropology, in the DNA of the[/quote:1390912cbe]
Pacific, and language.. |
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| Tom McDonald |
| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:28 pm |
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George wrote:
[quote:67bea31b3d]yuku@trends.ca (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote in message news:<2b61489c.0407160918.ff7acf1@posting.google.com>...
gblack@hnpl.net (George) wrote in message news:<9b937279.0407151243.22150bd3@posting.google.com>...
yuku@trends.ca (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote in message news:<2b61489c.0407111009.7cb67785@posting.google.com>...
I don't think somehow that the traditional Maori and Canadian West
Coast canoes have changed so much since 1927...
"Their [Canadian West Coast Natives'] canoes are large and roomy,
capable of accommodating scores of men; they are made with great skill
and artistic talent; they are of all primitive craft the most fitted
for meeting the conditions of oceanic voyaging, and have a great
resemblance to the Maori war canoe." (John Macmillan Brown, PEOPLES
AND PROBLEMS OF THE PACIFIC. London, 1927, Vol. II, p. 68)
After all the work done since 1927 in the fields of comparative
anthropology, DNA, Linguistics and the current rat tracing you are
locked into a claim long refuted.
Refuted by who?
Every-one currently working in Anthropology, in the DNA of the
Pacific, and language..
[/quote:67bea31b3d]
George,
Ah. You mean the Krazy Kolumbus Kult and their Great White
God. And that's not racist. Yuri says so.
Well, you can throw all that in the crapper. Yuri disagrees,
and that settles it.
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| Carmen |
| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:03 pm |
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"George" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message
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[quote:aabb799207]"Carmen" <carmenz30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<ccql94$tfk$1@news.wave.co.nz>...
I haven't a webpage, I suppose I should get one.
I have been looking at your webpage and
am wondering whether we are in close
geographical location, I noticed you have a link to Crows nest book
shop,
you're in the Waikato ?
In which case, we'd be better talking in person.
Okay. Use the email link on my page.
[/quote:aabb799207]
Thanks George
I think I will pass on that one.
I have had 1 or 2 strange people from usenet
in my email in the past.
One even went to great lengths to set up a webpage
with pretty pictures of himself, which even included
a cheeky denim clad butt shot,
{wahoo !!  }
the purposes for which I am not clear on.
So I am very particular about emails and mainly stick to my own people.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:38 pm |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:03:05 +1200, "Carmen" <carmenz30@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[quote:b1dc96d7e9]
"George" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message
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"Carmen" <carmenz30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<ccql94$tfk$1@news.wave.co.nz>...
I haven't a webpage, I suppose I should get one.
I have been looking at your webpage and
am wondering whether we are in close
geographical location, I noticed you have a link to Crows nest book
shop,
you're in the Waikato ?
In which case, we'd be better talking in person.
Okay. Use the email link on my page.
Thanks George
I think I will pass on that one.
I have had 1 or 2 strange people from usenet
in my email in the past.
[/quote:b1dc96d7e9]
When you don't use a spamblocker, you can expect all sorts of emails.
I had some recently that originated from your isp.
[quote:b1dc96d7e9]So I am very particular about emails and mainly stick to my own people.
[/quote:b1dc96d7e9]
But it hasn't stopped you emailing 'whities'....
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| Carmen |
| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:27 pm |
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<texan@texasremovethisbit.usa.com> wrote in message
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[quote:de09bcaafb]On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:03:05 +1200, "Carmen" <carmenz30@hotmail.com
wrote:
"George" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message
news:9b937279.0407171257.6de7c1ff@posting.google.com...
"Carmen" <carmenz30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<ccql94$tfk$1@news.wave.co.nz>...
I haven't a webpage, I suppose I should get one.
I have been looking at your webpage and
am wondering whether we are in close
geographical location, I noticed you have a link to Crows nest book
shop,
you're in the Waikato ?
In which case, we'd be better talking in person.
Okay. Use the email link on my page.
Thanks George
I think I will pass on that one.
I have had 1 or 2 strange people from usenet
in my email in the past.
When you don't use a spamblocker, you can expect all sorts of emails.
I had some recently that originated from your isp.
[/quote:de09bcaafb]
Oh dear that is very sad for you.
you must also be harrassing other people
who have the same same isp.
I suggest you stop harrassing people.
[quote:de09bcaafb]So I am very particular about emails and mainly stick to my own people.
But it hasn't stopped you emailing 'whities'....
[/quote:de09bcaafb]
Race / ethnicity really is only the concern of
small minded bigots
Carmen
[quote:de09bcaafb]Cath
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