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Jim Webster

That's the Internet for you. It gives the crackpots the illusion of
respectability, and paranoid nutcases sources to cite.

That's the Internet for you. It gives the crackpots the illusion of
respectability, and paranoid nutcases sources to cite.

Still, anyone who followed the British mad cow situation,
or picked up any of the magazines that covered the science aspect
of it, knows that what we are seeing in the US media now
is 100% bullshit--they are stonewalling, and what is worse,
people will catch prion disease (Creuzfeld-Jacob) because of it.
It just shows how much contempt the beef industry and the media
have for the public.

Still, anyone who followed the British mad cow situation,

or picked up any of the magazines that covered the science aspect
of it, knows that what we are seeing in the US media now
is 100% bullshit--they are stonewalling, and what is worse,
people will catch prion disease (Creuzfeld-Jacob) because of it.

It just shows how much contempt the beef industry and the media
have for the public.

2) Take away all fallen stock free. perhaps even pay for it, and I would pay
$1000 for every BSE case found. If a case is found, because it is not at all
contagious, I would go into detailed examination of feed history etc, but
otherwise not penalise the farmer in question

Mostly it shows the stunningly low understanding of the media.

The logic of penalising a farmer following US govt approved feeding
strategy (or buying in ready made feed) is about as sensible as
penalising someone who catches measles.

1) Disposal by burning is environmentally, ecologically and financially
wasteful and should only be done in extremis.

2) Since poultry and pigs are immune (orally) it can be safely fed to
them, as has been the case for decades if not centuries. This allows
recycling and a sensible use of a valuable source or energy, proteins
and minerals.

Jim Webster <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> writes
2) Take away all fallen stock free. perhaps even pay for it, and I would pay
$1000 for every BSE case found. If a case is found, because it is not at all
contagious, I would go into detailed examination of feed history etc, but
otherwise not penalise the farmer in question

The logic of penalising a farmer following US govt approved feeding
strategy (or buying in ready made feed) is about as sensible as
penalising someone who catches measles.

I actually do not agree with avoiding the feeding of MBM in the US for a
variety of reasons, but where it is fed needs to be highly restricted.

1) Disposal by burning is environmentally, ecologically and financially
wasteful and should only be done in extremis.

2) Since poultry and pigs are immune (orally) it can be safely fed to
them, as has been the case for decades if not centuries. This allows
recycling and a sensible use of a valuable source or energy, proteins
and minerals.

3) Great care must be taken to avoid x-contamination with ruminant food.
That is the trucks and feedplants should ONLY handle potentially
contaminated product which means dedicated feedplants. Fortunately even
in the UK the larger pig and poultry units make their own feed so this
should be less of a problem for the US. Note that licenses should not be
given for mixed farms where there is the remotest chance that mistakes
could result in ruminant getting access to the mbm-containing feed.

4) The land where *potentially* contaminated slurry is applied should
NOT be used for ruminant grazing or forage for three years. This
shouldn't be much of a problem.

5) Do NOT (as seems to be allowed in current US regs) allow mbm to be
used for petfood. Cats are susceptible (there have been a number of
cases in the UK) but dogs seem to be quite immune. Best to take no
chances.

It's quite amazing to see the paranoia that results when each country
gets a case of BSE, despite so much now being known. One gets all the
same second-rate ill-informed journalistic paranoia as when it first hot
the UK, but at least we had the excuse that nobody knew much about it.
Mind you even then the journalists, and some 'scientists', didn't seem
to be aware of the most basic characteristics that were known.

The logic of penalising a farmer following US govt approved feeding
strategy (or buying in ready made feed) is about as sensible as
penalising someone who catches measles.

Farming here in the USA is run by big corporations

who bribe officials
to have laws written as they want them,

so actually, penalizing farmers
for doing the wrong thing makes some sense since the rules are skewed,

but really it's the politicians who should be penalized (won't happen)
and I would guess it's the small farmers who are actually targetted
anyway. The best solution for consumers is, buy from your local farmers
and know exactly what they are doing. That, and become a vegetarian.

1) Disposal by burning is environmentally, ecologically and financially
wasteful and should only be done in extremis.

The prion proteins in question don't go away below 1000 degree F.

Burning is vital. Remember the reason why these prions are dangerous
is that they don't easily break down

and they collect in the brain,
forming the sponge structure.

2) Since poultry and pigs are immune (orally) it can be safely fed to
them, as has been the case for decades if not centuries. This allows
recycling and a sensible use of a valuable source or energy, proteins
and minerals.

Reuse of prion proteins is a very bad idea.

In my experience, they have little understanding of anything
and anybody who does know anything is strongly discouraged from
joining their ranks. But there are exceptions too, some magazines
like scientific american do have standards.

Oz, how much processing treatment is given to MBM before it is (was?)
fed to pigs and poultry?

I ask because feeding "swill" and/or any meat product, or product that
may have been in contact with meat (e.g. that kitchen swill), to
pigs, is banned in Queensland (and probably in the rest of Australia
too).

Of course, in this case I think it's more to do with quarantine
protocols to keep Foot and Mouth disease out of the country than any
concern over pigs getting BSE.

The logic of penalising a farmer following US govt approved feeding
strategy (or buying in ready made feed) is about as sensible as
penalising someone who catches measles.

Farming here in the USA is run by big corporations who bribe officials
to have laws written as they want them, so actually, penalizing farmers
for doing the wrong thing makes some sense since the rules are skewed,
but really it's the politicians who should be penalized (won't happen)
and I would guess it's the small farmers who are actually targetted
anyway. The best solution for consumers is, buy from your local farmers
and know exactly what they are doing. That, and become a vegetarian.

1) Disposal by burning is environmentally, ecologically and financially
wasteful and should only be done in extremis.

The prion proteins in question don't go away below 1000 degree F.

Burning is vital. Remember the reason why these prions are dangerous
is that they don't easily break down and they collect in the brain,
forming the sponge structure.

2) Since poultry and pigs are immune (orally) it can be safely fed to
them, as has been the case for decades if not centuries. This allows
recycling and a sensible use of a valuable source or energy, proteins
and minerals.

Reuse of prion proteins is a very bad idea.

Phred <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> writes


I ask because feeding "swill" and/or any meat product, or product that
may have been in contact with meat (e.g. that kitchen swill), to
pigs, is banned in Queensland (and probably in the rest of Australia
too).

That's probably mostly for diseases like foot&mouth.

Of course, in this case I think it's more to do with quarantine
protocols to keep Foot and Mouth disease out of the country than any
concern over pigs getting BSE.

Yup. Remember, though, that pigs were fed MASSIVE amounts of highly
infectious UK mbm in the UK epidemic and we had precisely no cases in
pigs. They are effectively immune.