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| Putes |
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The Flaw in High Energy Physics
When it comes to particle physics a question arises. High Energy
experiments have led to a plethora of short-lived high-energy products. As
an example, a proton and an anti-proton, each having a mass equivalent
energy of 1 GEV are accelerated to a velocity so close to that of light so
that they each contain kinetic energy of hundreds of GEV. These particles
are then induced to collide and, in so doing, produce short lived
high-energy products having observable mass equivalent energies of hundreds
of GEV. Where did the energy they represent come from?
A:- The energy certainly wasn't in the original particles, their rest
mass indicates that their total energy was about 2 GEV.
B:- The only source of the excess energy represented by the collision
products is the kinetic energy of the impacting protons. The observed total
energy after the collision never seems to be reported as exceeding the input
energy. If the excess energy was hidden in the original protons and did not
come from their kinetic energy, then where did the kinetic energy go?
C:- Experiment indicates that electrons, and the quarks that make up
protons and neutrons have no solid structure down to the observation limit
of 10^-18 meters, as indeed they cannot have. The more rest mass energy a
particle has, the smaller it is. If quarks contained smaller particles, the
rest mass of those smaller particles would be greater than the rest mass of
the quark and the proton or neutron would be more massive than it is. On the
other hand, if particles making up the quark were less massive than the
quark they would also be larger and would not fit within the nucleon.
Rather than accept the fact that these particles contain no structure,
theoreticians have resorted to Superstring Theory that asserts that reality
consists of curled higher order dimensions having a radius 20 orders of
magnitude smaller than the nucleon (a nice choice of scale since their
observation is not likely to ever be possible). At this scale level, the
combination of Quantum Theory and General Relativity is asserted to cause
space to be a frothy foam. Unfortunately physicists would rather accept such
a concept than accept the idea that there is an error in General Relativity,
after all the quasi-religious "Faith" must not be challenged. Once the error
is admitted and the necessary corrections made, the merging of the two
theories becomes obvious. The need for the activity at 10^-34 meters
vanishes and space becomes smooth.
Everything really does become much simpler when one follows the rules
of evidence in Science as well it is done in other activities and recognize
that it is necessary to consider the effects of possible changes in the size
of the units of measurement used by instruments produced by a change in
reference frame in addition to the results of those measurements. When one
takes this step an entirely different view of reality results. This view of
reality is much more straightforward and is capable of being understood by
the average man since the operation of its mechanisms are clear.
The disturbing part of the present process is that the next generation
of scientists is having their minds destroyed by being indoctrinated into
the "True Faith".
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| Franz Heymann |
| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:30 am |
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"Putes" <putes@isp.com> wrote in message
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Quote: The Flaw in High Energy Physics
When it comes to particle physics a question arises. High
Energy
experiments have led to a plethora of short-lived high-energy
products. As
an example, a proton and an anti-proton, each having a mass
equivalent
energy of 1 GEV are accelerated to a velocity so close to that of
light so
that they each contain kinetic energy of hundreds of GEV.
Which accelerator is it which accelerates protons and antiprotons?
Quote: These particles
are then induced to collide and, in so doing, produce short lived
high-energy products having observable mass equivalent energies of
hundreds
of GEV. Where did the energy they represent come from?
From the kinetic energies of the incident particles.
Quote: A:- The energy certainly wasn't in the original particles,
their rest
mass indicates that their total energy was about 2 GEV.
The incident particles were not at rest. You yourself used the words
"they each contain kinetic energy of hundreds of GEV"
Quote: B:- The only source of the excess energy represented by the
collision
products is the kinetic energy of the impacting protons.
Yes
Quote: The observed total
energy after the collision never seems to be reported as exceeding
the input
energy.
That is because it never does.
One of the many things which is done during the anaylsis of an event
is to make use of the laws of energy and momentum conservation in
order to help understand the event.
If the excess energy was hidden in the original protons and did not
Quote: come from their kinetic energy, then where did the kinetic energy
go?
But it *did* come from the energies of the incident protons.
Quote: C:- Experiment indicates that electrons, and the quarks that
make up
protons and neutrons have no solid structure down to the observation
limit
of 10^-18 meters, as indeed they cannot have.
You are wrong on both counts.
The upper limit on the electron charge radius is 2.8 * 10^-19 metres
(to the usual 95% confidence level).
The charge radii of the quarks have not been measured yet (unless you
are party to later information than I have)
Quote: The more rest mass energy a
particle has, the smaller it is.
No.
The proton is approximately 2000 times as heavy as the electron, and
its radius is at least 4 orders of magnitude larger than that of the
electron
Quote: If quarks contained smaller particles, the
rest mass of those smaller particles would be greater than the rest
mass of
the quark and the proton or neutron would be more massive than it
is.
No. There is no evidence of any kind for a ststement like that.
Quote: On the
other hand, if particles making up the quark were less massive than
the
quark they would also be larger and would not fit within the
nucleon.
No. For the same reason as I gave you just above here.
[snip]
The rest of your screed was at least as crap ridden as the part I
retained.
You are a troll. You have trailed
--
Franz
"The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis
by an ugly fact."
T.H. Huxley this horse dung many times before in thsi ng. How about
giving it a miss, since your errors are so blatant that you will not
be fooling anybody at all. |
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| GR_GR |
| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:38 am |
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Putes wrote:
Quote: The Flaw in High Energy Physics
Quit changing your name so I can filter you once and for all, jerk.
---plonk--- |
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| Sam Wormley |
| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:23 am |
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| Eric Gisse |
| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:24 am |
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[snip]
Finally kicked off of AOL, I see. How many isps have you gone through? |
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| Sam Wormley |
| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:45 pm |
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| Uncle Al |
| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:11 pm |
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Putes wrote:
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The Flaw in High Energy Physics
[snip 80 lines of ignorant crap]
http://www.freefarts.com/farts.html
Move cursor over blinkers to hear Retic's lecture.
Psychotic ineducable boring spammer retic (Ernest Wittke),
You see yourself this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete6.jpg
The entire remainder of the planet sees you this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete3.png
http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>
http://www.meninhats.com/d/20040430.html
http://www.you-moron.com/
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Awittke
http://b5.sdvc.uwyo.edu/bab5/snds/argcstpd.wav
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
<http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html>
<http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html>
Quote: The source material for this posting may be found in "Gravity" (1987),
"The Einstein Hoax" (1997), and "Corrections to Residual Errors in Special
Relativity (1999)
[snip]
Hey, stooopid spammer Ernest Wittke - Do you want EVIDENCE? Each of
the 24 GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks or
three rubidum atomic clocks in orbit, with full relativistic
corrections being applied. NAVSTAR Block II GPS satellites (currently
being launched as replacements) have two rubidium and two cesium
atomic clocks.
Internal inconsistencies in SR (meaning inconsistencies of a purely
mathematical logical nature) automatically lead to contradictions in
number theory, itself, and arithmetic, since the mathematics of
Minkowski geometry is equiconsistent with the theory of real numbers
and with arithmetic.
<http://optoelectronics.perkinelmer.com/content/Datasheets/rfs2f.pdf>
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation
<http://wugrav.wustl.edu/people/CMW/update98.pdf>
<http://www.astro.northwestern.edu/AspenW04/Papers/lorimer1.pdf>
Equivalence Principle testing
http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0111236
Geometric structure of reality
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0103044
http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0307140
GR structure, especially Part 4/p. 7
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
<http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2002/paper20.pdf>
Nature 425 374 (2003)
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html>
Relativity in the GPS system
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9909014
Amer. J. Phys. 71 770 (2003)
Phys. Rev. Lett. 92 121101 (2004)
falling light
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
Hafele-Keating Experiment
http://www.hawaii.edu/suremath/SRtwinParadox.html
<http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/twins.html>
Twin Paradox
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-5/index.html>
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0405160
Black hole evaporation
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0409089
Spin-2 gravitons have problems
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.strings/msg/ba31a00f5f26277a>
(so does the proposal)
<http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/pdf/prl83-3585.pdf>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0301024
Phys. Rev. Lett. 93 261101 (2004)
Nordtvedt Effect
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0403292
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310723
WMAP + Sloane Digital Sky Survey
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175
Dark matter candidates
<http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll/frames.html>
Carroll on what it all means.
Special Relativity is physics on a topologically trivial Lorentzian
manifold with a metric whose curvature tensor is zero. This is a
perfectly diffeomorphism-invariant condition and does not require
any particular coordinate choice. It is invariant under
the full group of diffeomorphisms. The Poincare group is
the group of *isometries* of the metric in special relativity.
The Special Relativity metric is *non-dynamical* (unlike GR). It
defines the coupling *constants* of your theory. If you change the
metric in any nontrivial way you are changing your theory. An
operation can only be called a "symmetry" of a special-relativistic
(non-gravitational) theory if it preserves the metric, and therefore
the symmetry of special-relativistic theories is the Poincare group
only. General Relativity (gravitation) has a dynamic metric.
NIM A 355 537 (1995)
Physics Letters B 328 103 (1994)
Physical Review Letters 64 1697 (1990)
Physical Review Letters 39 1051 (1977)
Physical Review 135 B1071 (1964)
Physics Letters 12 260 (1964)
Europhysics Letters 56(2) 170-174 (2001)
General Relativity and Gravitation 34(9) 1371 (2002)
http://fourmilab.to/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf
<http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/sr/ae_1905_error.htm>
<http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/relativity.pdf>
Longitudinal and transverse mass
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0306076.pdf
<http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/gps/absolute-gps-1meter-3.ASP>
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/gpsuser/gpsuser.pdf
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/sigspec/default.htm
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/icd200/default.htm
http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.html
http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
http://egtphysics.net/GPS/RelGPS.htm
http://www.schriever.af.mil/gps/Current/current.oa1
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
<http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html>
Quote: If anyone
provides a significant rebuttal that cannot be objectively answered, the
material at the Website will be withdrawn.
Right, like your head has ever been withdrawn from your ass - even
when you shit.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
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