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| Stephen Hayes |
 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:08 am |
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* Forwarded (from: GEN_BRITAIN) by Stephen Hayes using timEd/2 1.10.y2k.
* Originally from Rod Neep (8:8/2002) to All.
* Original dated: Sat Dec 20, 18:43
From: Rod Neep <rnNOSPAM@DELETETHISneep.demon.co.uk>
In message <vu9bim2oemh2a7@corp.supernews.com>, Mike
<bakerdivert@lava.net> writes
Quote: ...that all Irishman in the English pale (the eastern third of Ireland)
anglicize their names. Was it followed? Has any one studied its impact,
viz., someone with an English surname in Ireland not necessarily being
English. This date being a major dividing line before which much
genealogical (as well as any) records peter out; does anyone have a document
wherein the name change was actually recorded?
Law takes a long time to take precedence over culture.
Extracts from the Ancient and Modern Customs of the Irish
Names - from Camden's Britannia, 1586
"They commonly baptize their children by prophane names, adding somewhat
from one accident or another: some from old wive's tale; or from
colours, as red, white, black, &c. from distempers,, as scab'd, bald,
&c, or else from some vice, as Robber or Proud; and, although they
cannot bear reproach, yet the greatest among them, such as they have the
letter O prefixed to their names, are not asham'd of these appelations.
It is looked upon as a foreboding a speedy death to the parent or other
of the Family then living, to give his or their names to any of the
children; and therefore they avoid it as unlawful. When the father dies,
the son takes his name, lest it should be forgotten; and if any of the
Ancestors have been famous for their achievements, the like bravery is
expected from him..."
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Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com
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