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| Robert Cohen |
 Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:50 pm |
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Subject: Why Massive Energy Alternatives By World Is A No Go
From: robtcohen@aol.com.spam.no (Robert Cohen)
Date: 12/24/03 12:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <20031224124101.19161.00001313@mb-m13.aol.com>
Walter Mondale couldn't acknowledge this, but I am:
I'd like to post a simple/simplistic nuance about the hydrogen hype and
energy anything alternative else.
I have watched & thought about these phenomena fairly closely since 1973.
I have wondered why the U.S. did not/does not go into a World War II, 24/7,
assembly-line kind of mobilizing itself upon the oil boycott of 1973, and thus
my perception/theory/hypothesis--which has been previously inflicted onto this
n.g.--is: "because of the harsh pragmatic & necessary
maintainence of the petro-dollar paradigm."
A movie bumper sticker sound bite this ain't, or perhaps it is:
If a massive alternative(s) were devised & truly massively implemented, then
the petro-dollar financial system would thus precipitously collapse.
The U.S., Russia, Mexico, Britain, Norway, Venezuela, and Mid-East stakes in
oil are too interdependent with the dynamic existence of the world financial
stability.
A real massive alternative would spawn world-wide chaos & depression.
I am wide-open to refutation; though this is what I perceive as our
comic-tragic-absudist normative dilemmical reality. |
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| tooly |
| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:07 pm |
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"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@aol.com.spam.no> wrote in message
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Quote: Subject: Why Massive Energy Alternatives By World Is A No Go
From: robtcohen@aol.com.spam.no (Robert Cohen)
Date: 12/24/03 12:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <20031224124101.19161.00001313@mb-m13.aol.com
Walter Mondale couldn't acknowledge this, but I am:
I'd like to post a simple/simplistic nuance about the hydrogen hype and
energy anything alternative else.
I have watched & thought about these phenomena fairly closely since 1973.
I have wondered why the U.S. did not/does not go into a World War II,
24/7,
assembly-line kind of mobilizing itself upon the oil boycott of 1973, and
thus
my perception/theory/hypothesis--which has been previously inflicted onto
this
n.g.--is: "because of the harsh pragmatic & necessary
maintainence of the petro-dollar paradigm."
A movie bumper sticker sound bite this ain't, or perhaps it is:
If a massive alternative(s) were devised & truly massively implemented,
then
the petro-dollar financial system would thus precipitously collapse.
The U.S., Russia, Mexico, Britain, Norway, Venezuela, and Mid-East stakes
in
oil are too interdependent with the dynamic existence of the world
financial
stability.
A real massive alternative would spawn world-wide chaos & depression.
I am wide-open to refutation; though this is what I perceive as our
comic-tragic-absudist normative dilemmical reality.
Agreed. Life is about incentives, and as long as incentives remain
stubborn; and promotes continued investment in the oil industry, research
and development will be delayed. The oil corporate taproot is deep and will
be hard to cut. Political will is based upon 'popular' vote [for most of
the world], and the public will (and how it votes) works upon individual
self interest and as an aggregate, cannot possibly be self regulating [to
install the needed sacrifices to convert to another energy resource].
I imagine the subborness of the oil industry will do everything possible to
prolong itself and even be a hinderance to new development [only half
heartedly supporting new technology that will also be it's market usurper in
time]. |
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| Immortalist |
| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:15 pm |
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"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@aol.com.spam.no> wrote in message
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Quote: Subject: Why Massive Energy Alternatives By World Is A No Go
From: robtcohen@aol.com.spam.no (Robert Cohen)
Date: 12/24/03 12:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <20031224124101.19161.00001313@mb-m13.aol.com
Walter Mondale couldn't acknowledge this, but I am:
I'd like to post a simple/simplistic nuance about the hydrogen hype and
energy anything alternative else.
I have watched & thought about these phenomena fairly closely since 1973.
I have wondered why the U.S. did not/does not go into a World War II,
24/7,
assembly-line kind of mobilizing itself upon the oil boycott of 1973, and
thus
my perception/theory/hypothesis--which has been previously inflicted onto
this
n.g.--is: "because of the harsh pragmatic & necessary
maintainence of the petro-dollar paradigm."
A movie bumper sticker sound bite this ain't, or perhaps it is:
If a massive alternative(s) were devised & truly massively implemented,
then
the petro-dollar financial system would thus precipitously collapse.
The U.S., Russia, Mexico, Britain, Norway, Venezuela, and Mid-East stakes
in
oil are too interdependent with the dynamic existence of the world
financial
stability.
A real massive alternative would spawn world-wide chaos & depression.
So we would have the equivalent of or even more than the energy from massive
alternatives as we get from oil and this would power chaos and depression?
Would we have lights while society adapts or reduces old habits with better
ones?
Quote: I am wide-open to refutation; though this is what I perceive as our
comic-tragic-absudist normative dilemmical reality.
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| xyz |
| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:22 pm |
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"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@aol.com.spam.no> wrote in message
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Quote: Subject: Why Massive Energy Alternatives By World Is A No Go
From: robtcohen@aol.com.spam.no (Robert Cohen)
Date: 12/24/03 12:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <20031224124101.19161.00001313@mb-m13.aol.com
Walter Mondale couldn't acknowledge this, but I am:
I'd like to post a simple/simplistic nuance about the hydrogen hype and
energy anything alternative else.
I have watched & thought about these phenomena fairly closely since 1973.
I have wondered why the U.S. did not/does not go into a World War II,
24/7,
assembly-line kind of mobilizing itself upon the oil boycott of 1973, and
thus
my perception/theory/hypothesis--which has been previously inflicted onto
this
n.g.--is: "because of the harsh pragmatic & necessary
maintainence of the petro-dollar paradigm."
A movie bumper sticker sound bite this ain't, or perhaps it is:
If a massive alternative(s) were devised & truly massively implemented,
then
the petro-dollar financial system would thus precipitously collapse.
The U.S., Russia, Mexico, Britain, Norway, Venezuela, and Mid-East stakes
in
oil are too interdependent with the dynamic existence of the world
financial
stability.
A real massive alternative would spawn world-wide chaos & depression.
I am wide-open to refutation; though this is what I perceive as our
comic-tragic-absudist normative dilemmical reality.
The geopolitical state of affairs in the world would change drastically, but
I am not sure that it would create a depression in the industrialized world.
If an alternate source of energy were to be discovered overnight, I think
there would be a period of adjustment, controlled by government
intervention. The oil industry would still have to produce raw materials
for the petrochemical industry, plastics aren't going away. Refineries will
begin to shut down eventually, but the engines that power the world as we
know it aren't going away overnight. We would have to redesign all that
military and industrial hardware. Being able to propel our industry for a
hundredth of the price we now pay, without the environmental liability,
would greatly balance things out. Productivity would sky rocket as the
alternate source begins to be implemented.
I don't know how much money is being poured into fusion as a source of
energy these days, does anybody know ? |
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