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| IB Shambat |
 Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 3:10 pm |
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A book on self-esteem describes four kinds of childhood environment:
Positive (encouraging but willing to confront flaws); negative
(discouraging and destructive); perfect (overlooking the flaws); and
contradictory (different messages from different sources). It talked
about how the positive environment, like negative environment, had
people take responsibility for their actions, but with different
results: Positive - "I did this, it is a temporary problem, I will
make it up", negative - "I did this, because that's the kind of person
I am.") The person in perfect environment does not take responsibility
for his actions; the person in contradictory environment takes
responsibility for other people's actions. The person in perfect
environment is liked but does not like others; he has false
self-esteem - self-esteem based not on his own achievements but on
putting other people down; he cannot be happy unless others are
miserable; he becomes shallow. The person in contradictory environment
never knows who he is and, should he begin to succeed, expects some
calamity to happen to wash away his accomplishments.
I find this perspective useful. It can explain a lot of the social
problems faced by the world today. |
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| al-Daoud al-Bedlami |
| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:43 pm |
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On 2 Nov 2003, IB Shambat, as part of cruising the Net for weak
and impressionable young women to corrupt with his warts, wrote:
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Quote: The person in contradictory environment never knows who
he is and, should he begin to succeed, expects some calamity
to happen to wash away his accomplishments.
I find this perspective useful.
I find it trite. And about as useful as any other untestable
generalization about untold millions of people over time.
Quote: It can explain a lot of the social problems faced by the
world today.
So can mutations in response to diseases, or the choice of
grasses as the staple food for societies run by morons, or
sunspots affecting developing fetuses -- leading to a mass
outbreak of blithering loonyism. Who knows, who cares? What
should be more important is you taking your medication.
Ilya, by the way, have you ever had an original thought?
Do you even know what might would be like?
Sheeshingly,
D. |
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| Critter |
| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:20 pm |
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"al-Daoud al-Bedlami" <thedavid@troll.weezl.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0311031330440.2323-100000@troll.weezl.org...
Quote: On 2 Nov 2003, IB Shambat, as part of cruising the Net for weak
and impressionable young women to corrupt with his warts, wrote:
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The person in contradictory environment never knows who
he is and, should he begin to succeed, expects some calamity
to happen to wash away his accomplishments.
I find this perspective useful.
I find it trite. And about as useful as any other untestable
generalization about untold millions of people over time.
Like the rest of psychology, a simple invention intended to sell books and
snake oils.
Quote: It can explain a lot of the social problems faced by the
world today.
So can mutations in response to diseases, or the choice of
grasses as the staple food for societies run by morons, or
sunspots affecting developing fetuses -- leading to a mass
outbreak of blithering loonyism. Who knows, who cares? What
should be more important is you taking your medication.
Ilya, by the way, have you ever had an original thought?
Do you even know what might would be like? |
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| Brett Gilmour |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:47 am |
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al-Daoud al-Bedlami wrote:
Quote: the choice of grasses as the staple food for societies run by morons
I find this perspective useful. It can explain a lot of the social
problems faced by the world today. |
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| IB Shambat |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:16 am |
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Brett Gilmour <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.11.10.08.47.22.960649@yahoo.com>...
Quote: al-Daoud al-Bedlami wrote:
the choice of grasses as the staple food for societies run by morons
I find this perspective useful. It can explain a lot of the social
problems faced by the world today.
That's funny. |
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| Me |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 12:54 pm |
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You know, folks, it is not necessary to send replies to *every single ng*
that Ilya posts to.
Just a thought.
"Brett Gilmour" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.11.10.08.47.22.960649@yahoo.com...
Quote: al-Daoud al-Bedlami wrote:
the choice of grasses as the staple food for societies run by morons
I find this perspective useful. It can explain a lot of the social
problems faced by the world today. |
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| Brett Gilmour |
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 9:05 pm |
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"IB Shambat" <ibshambat2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Glad it made you laugh. |
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| Sharon B |
| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:40 pm |
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:54:05 GMT, "Me" <nevermind@home.com> wrote in
<1hQrb.6344$nz.4888@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
Quote: You know, folks, it is not necessary to send replies to *every single ng*
that Ilya posts to.
Just a thought.
ahem. if you're going to lecture on the Evils of Crossposting(tm), it
would be prudent to set f/ups your own self, no? |
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| bob |
| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:28 pm |
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Really? Please explain.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:54:05 GMT, "Me" <nevermind@home.com> wrote:
Quote: You know, folks, it is not necessary to send replies to *every single ng*
that Ilya posts to.
Just a thought.
"Brett Gilmour" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.11.10.08.47.22.960649@yahoo.com...
al-Daoud al-Bedlami wrote:
the choice of grasses as the staple food for societies run by morons
I find this perspective useful. It can explain a lot of the social
problems faced by the world today.
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