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curious
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:36 pm
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What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic research work
using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses taken but have some
biology courses) in forensic chemistry related work?
Octa Ex
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:52 pm
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A forensic worker would be expected to have a broader range of
qualifications so they could work in other areas of forensic
investigation.
Human Anatomy qualification is required for example.

On 23 Dec 2003 10:36:14 -0800, heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com (curious)
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What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic research work
using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses taken but have some
biology courses) in forensic chemistry related work?

X X
X
X X
Barry
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:25 pm
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"Octa Ex" <xxx@xxx.xx> wrote in message
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A forensic worker would be expected to have a broader range of
qualifications so they could work in other areas of forensic
investigation.
Human Anatomy qualification is required for example.

On 23 Dec 2003 10:36:14 -0800, heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com (curious)
scribed these bits:

What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic research work
using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses taken but have some
biology courses) in forensic chemistry related work?

X X
X
X X


I would expect there to be a place for someone who basically drives the
laboratory work. Obviously the "investigators" would need a broader
experience, but someone has to do the actual lab work. If this is what you
had in mind then go for it. But as said above, if you want to be one of the
"CSI team" you'll need a wider background.

Barry Hunt
William Penrose
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:13 pm
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On 23 Dec 2003 10:36:14 -0800, heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com (curious)
wrote:

Quote:
What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic research work
using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses taken but have some
biology courses) in forensic chemistry related work?

I know a fine analytical chemist with a broad background who's been
trying to get a job in the Illinois State Police Lab for 15 years.

Good luck, but it may not be as glamorous as CSI would make you think.

Bill Penrose
Mike Hopper
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:55 pm
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"curious" <heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic research work
using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses taken but have some
biology courses) in forensic chemistry related work?

Good skills in analytical chemistry are useful for a laboratory forensic
chemist. Most of the money these days is going into DNA analysis but
skilled analysts are needed.

Look into the archives of the Yahoo group on forensic science for other
responses to this type of question.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/forensic-science/
curious
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:40 pm
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"Barry" <barryh46au@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<bsaipe$2oed$1@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>...
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"Octa Ex" <xxx@xxx.xx> wrote in message
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A forensic worker would be expected to have a broader range of
qualifications so they could work in other areas of forensic
investigation.
Human Anatomy qualification is required for example.

On 23 Dec 2003 10:36:14 -0800, heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com (curious)
scribed these bits:

What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic research work
using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses taken but have some
biology courses) in forensic chemistry related work?

X X
X
X X


I would expect there to be a place for someone who basically drives the
laboratory work. Obviously the "investigators" would need a broader
experience, but someone has to do the actual lab work. If this is what you
had in mind then go for it. But as said above, if you want to be one of the
"CSI team" you'll need a wider background.

Barry Hunt

I do not want to be investigative team. Just want to do the lab
testings. Are these jobs relatively in demand compared to analyt. chem
jobs in chem industry?
C. S. I. Scichem
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:11 pm
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heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com (curious) wrote:

Quote:
What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic research
work using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses taken but have
some biology courses) in forensic chemistry related work?

I'd guess that 20-30 years ago that there were only a couple of
places in the US that offered degrees in "forensic science" or
"forensic chemistry". Today, there are dozens of places that offer
undergrad and grad degree programs in forensic type stuff.

Somebody has put together a PARTIAL list here:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/4329/education.html

I would have to guess that these graduates have a leg up
on getting those positions.

Even though you say you just want to do analyses it's
context sensitive: "Here, analyze this AND BE CAREFUL!"
means one thing (don't drop it?) to you but some very
specific things to someone already trained in forensic analysis.

I say go for it and try to get your masters at night school
if you get the job.






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curious
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:55 pm
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u751739501@spawnkill.ip-mobilphone.net (C. S. I. Scichem) wrote in message news:<l.1072303896.1564056396@jbh2.chem.brandeis.edu>...
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heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com (curious) wrote:

What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic research
work using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses taken but have
some biology courses) in forensic chemistry related work?

I'd guess that 20-30 years ago that there were only a couple of
places in the US that offered degrees in "forensic science" or
"forensic chemistry". Today, there are dozens of places that offer
undergrad and grad degree programs in forensic type stuff.

I became aware of that with google search.

Quote:

Somebody has put together a PARTIAL list here:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/4329/education.html

I would have to guess that these graduates have a leg up
on getting those positions.

Even though you say you just want to do analyses it's
context sensitive: "Here, analyze this AND BE CAREFUL!"
means one thing (don't drop it?) to you but some very
specific things to someone already trained in forensic analysis.

I say go for it and try to get your masters at night school
if you get the job.

Good idea but the program might not be available at a near by school.
If the job probablity is good, it would be worth to do a master's? I
have no clue about the probability.
David Stranz
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:00 pm
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heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com (curious) wrote in
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"Barry" <barryh46au@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Octa Ex" <xxx@xxx.xx> wrote in message
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A forensic worker would be expected to have a broader range
of qualifications so they could work in other areas of
forensic investigation.
Human Anatomy qualification is required for example.

On 23 Dec 2003 10:36:14 -0800, heyimjustcurious@yahoo.com
(curious) scribed these bits:

What is the job prospect in forensic chemistry?

What's the chance for a chemistry graduate with academic
research work using GC/MS (without any biochemistry courses
taken but have some biology courses) in forensic chemistry
related work?

X X
X
X X


I would expect there to be a place for someone who basically
drives the laboratory work. Obviously the "investigators" would
need a broader experience, but someone has to do the actual lab
work. If this is what you had in mind then go for it. But as
said above, if you want to be one of the "CSI team" you'll need
a wider background.

Barry Hunt

I do not want to be investigative team. Just want to do the lab
testings. Are these jobs relatively in demand compared to
analyt. chem jobs in chem industry?

My two cents worth:

I think that most crime labs are relatively small, overworked, and
being mostly government employees, underpaid for their skill
levels. You'll probably spend most of your time testing urine for
drugs of abuse, unless the crime lab farms it out to a contract
lab. As another respondent said, jobs are probably scarce.

On the other hand, drug companies (probably the largest consumer of
analytical chemists) employ hundreds of overworked analytical
chemists, generally pay well, and you can spend most of your time
testing urine for drug metabolites. Some of them will even pay you
to get more education so you can broaden your skill base.

If all you have is a BS in chemistry, you are going to have to move
to the job if you don't live where the jobs are.

David
David A. Webb
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:28 pm
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Quote:
If all you have is a BS in chemistry, you are going to have to move
to the job if you don't live where the jobs are.

David


I'd gladly move to a good paying chem job, but it seems that most care
little about experience, and more about higher education beyond a BS.

Dave
David Stranz
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:56 am
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David A. Webb <davidw1@netexpress.nospam.net> wrote in
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Quote:

If all you have is a BS in chemistry, you are going to have to
move to the job if you don't live where the jobs are.

David


I'd gladly move to a good paying chem job, but it seems that
most care little about experience, and more about higher
education beyond a BS.

Dave



Yes, that's true. Most of the job ads posted at the annual American
Society for Mass Spectrometry meeting are generally asking for MS-
level education, with several years of specific experience especially
where mass spectromertic analyses are involved.

Unfortunately, this represents two unhappy trends: First, as you are
no doubt experiencing, the job market for people with BS or entry-
level skills is small, and companies aren't willing to invest the
time it takes to bring you up to speed. And second, companies are in
effect cheapening the value of an MS degree by bringing them in at
the technician level with generally little hope for advancement into
the scientist ranks.

I would suggest that your best opportunity would be to Google for
"analytical lab" or "analytical contract lab" and generate a list of
those in your local area or in an area where you'd like to live. You
might also look at larger hospitals that have associated diagnostic
labs, and soil or water testing labs.

Instead of sending your resume, call up and talk to the analytical
services manager. While you can tell him you're looking for a job,
what you really want to know is what skills he thinks most important
in a candidate / employee. Ask him what's the best way to acquire
those skills - whether it is hands-on experience, more education, or
higher education. You might find your skills are well-matched to the
needs of a smaller lab.

Good luck,

David
curious
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:04 pm
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David A. Webb <davidw1@netexpress.nospam.net> wrote in
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If all you have is a BS in chemistry, you are going to have to
move to the job if you don't live where the jobs are.

David


I'd gladly move to a good paying chem job, but it seems that
most care little about experience, and more about higher
education beyond a BS.

Dave



Yes, that's true. Most of the job ads posted at the annual American
Society for Mass Spectrometry meeting are generally asking for MS-
level education, with several years of specific experience especially
where mass spectromertic analyses are involved.

Unfortunately, this represents two unhappy trends: First, as you are
no doubt experiencing, the job market for people with BS or entry-
level skills is small, and companies aren't willing to invest the
time it takes to bring you up to speed. And second, companies are in
effect cheapening the value of an MS degree by bringing them in at
the technician level with generally little hope for advancement into
the scientist ranks.

Exactly!.

Quote:

I would suggest that your best opportunity would be to Google for
"analytical lab" or "analytical contract lab" and generate a list of
those in your local area or in an area where you'd like to live. You
might also look at larger hospitals that have associated diagnostic
labs, and soil or water testing labs.

EXCELLENT suggestion.

Quote:

Instead of sending your resume, call up and talk to the analytical
services manager. While you can tell him you're looking for a job,
what you really want to know is what skills he thinks most important
in a candidate / employee. Ask him what's the best way to acquire
those skills - whether it is hands-on experience, more education, or
higher education. You might find your skills are well-matched to the
needs of a smaller lab.

Another excellent suggestion, i.e to call.

Quote:

Good luck,

David
 
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