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| Paul |
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WHAT TO DO if a SINKHOLE DEVELOPS on your PROPERTY
Notify your local Water Management District
Fence or rope the hole off
Keep children away!
Protect the area from garbage and waste
Contact your homeowners insurance company |
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| George |
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 9:21 am |
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" Paul " <houston@pyats.rr.co.tx> wrote in message
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Quote: WHAT TO DO if a SINKHOLE DEVELOPS on your PROPERTY
Notify your local Water Management District
Fence or rope the hole off
Keep children away!
Protect the area from garbage and waste
Contact your homeowners insurance company
If they are unavailable, run like hell! Or call the fire department. They
should be able to contact the people who need to know. Very impertant - stay
as far away from it as possible until you are certain about its stability. |
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| Jo Schaper |
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:03 pm |
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George wrote:
Quote: " Paul " <houston@pyats.rr.co.tx> wrote in message
news:3FDBAE71.4F149836@pyats.rr.co.tx...
WHAT TO DO if a SINKHOLE DEVELOPS on your PROPERTY
Notify your local Water Management District
Fence or rope the hole off
Keep children away!
Protect the area from garbage and waste
Contact your homeowners insurance company
If they are unavailable, run like hell! Or call the fire department. They
should be able to contact the people who need to know. Very impertant - stay
as far away from it as possible until you are certain about its stability.
Nah. Call the cavers. They wanna see if it goes...and they play around
the lips of unstable sinkholes all the time. Keeping average people away
is probably a good idea.
It all depends what sort of soil/bedrock you have--and what sort of
sinkhole it is: a slumping shallow dish depression, a karst window, or
simple cavern or mine collapse. Also, if the sink is in an urban or
rural area.
Sinkholes happen fairly frequently in karst. Not a biggie after the
first big slump. DO NOT call the Fire Department unless there is the
chance of fire from broken gas pipes or such. Most FDs don't have a clue
what to do with a sinkhole. If you feel you must call someone, I'd call
the local police (protecting public safety) who will then likely call
your state Geological Survey, Mine Safety, Dept. of Environmental
Quality, natural resources, etc...or maybe a geotechnical firm. Those
are the people who do have an idea what to do about it.
I wouldn't have the homeowners insurance people on the first call list,
either, unless the sinkhole has obviously impacted the house. That's a
good way to get your insurance cancelled for 'natural hazards'.
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| Paul |
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:35 pm |
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Quote: " Paul " <houston@pyats.rr.co.tx> wrote in message
WHAT TO DO if a SINKHOLE DEVELOPS on your PROPERTY
Notify your local Water Management District
Fence or rope the hole off
Keep children away!
Protect the area from garbage and waste
Contact your homeowners insurance company
That was copied, verbatim, from signs that I saw all over Florida, US,
during my 5 week tour last year.
Perhaps they were put there by Insurance companies?
I never thought to read the fine print. |
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| Jo Schaper |
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:34 pm |
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Paul wrote:
Quote: " Paul " <houston@pyats.rr.co.tx> wrote in message
WHAT TO DO if a SINKHOLE DEVELOPS on your PROPERTY
Notify your local Water Management District
Fence or rope the hole off
Keep children away!
Protect the area from garbage and waste
Contact your homeowners insurance company
That was copied, verbatim, from signs that I saw all over Florida, US,
during my 5 week tour last year.
Perhaps they were put there by Insurance companies?
I never thought to read the fine print.
Hmmmm. I'd say when in Florida, do as the Floridians do, but FL karst
and conditions are very specific to their situation. With only 8-12 ft.
to the water table, (in N FL) they do have water management
districts--most places in karst do not.
I was just in Florida myself a month or so ago. They have also come up
with a 'spring nomenclature' which they are trying to spread to the
entire US (disregarding the fact that USGS and other states already
havesuch nomenclature). They class all their springs into 4 types:
Onshore vents, Onshore seeps, Off-shore vents and Off-shore seeps. I
spoke with one of the people on the panel and explained that their
naming system couldn't be universal, because a) not all springs are
karst springs (volcanic bedding planes, sandstone aquifers perched over
shale to name two), b)that many places inland had no such animal as an
"offshore" anything, and finally, c) that they neglected the case of
'cave springs', where spring rises occur in association with airfilled
caves, not just submerged orifices. To say nothing of glacial springs,
and what about 'plugged vent' springs where the water comes through
gravel or sand, which does not permit human entrance, but can be tens to
hundreds of cfs in flow, and is hardly considered a 'seep'. OTOH, my
purpose in going there was to take a look at the Floridian springs--very
impressive, and quite unique.
As you know, geology is weird that way: the science is universal, but
many examples vary widely by region. The same is true of sinkholes.
There probably is no one 'right' answer on what to do if one shows up in
your back yard.
best,
Jo
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| Joe Rat |
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:41 am |
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If a politician stands on the rim looking down,
give him a good push!
Joe Rat 8 )
L Paul <houston@pyats.rr.co.tx> wrote in message
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Quote: WHAT TO DO if a SINKHOLE DEVELOPS on your PROPERTY
Notify your local Water Management District
Fence or rope the hole off
Keep children away!
Protect the area from garbage and waste
Contact your homeowners insurance company |
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| George |
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:22 am |
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"Joe Rat" <nkvd31415@virgilio.it> wrote in message
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Quote: If a politician stands on the rim looking down,
give him a good push!
Joe Rat 8 )
It appears at least one world politician has recently be found in one! |
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| Coalbunny |
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:50 pm |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:26:30 GMT, "=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?=" <houston@pyats.rr.co.tx> carved in granite...
Quote: WHAT TO DO if a SINKHOLE DEVELOPS on your PROPERTY
Notify your local Water Management District
Fence or rope the hole off
Keep children away!
Protect the area from garbage and waste
Contact your homeowners insurance company
No.
1. Get a rope and several types of light sources (cyalume lightsticks,
battery flashlights, pump flashlights, etc.).
2. Get inside the sinkhole and check out the cave.
3. Start a business plan for a cave tour business.
4. Proceed from there.
In fact, this last weekend I was over by Glenwood Springs Colorado and met
several Colorado Geological Survey geologists there. I took the tour as did
they, and with the small group we had (the three geologist, the guide and
myself) I would have to say it was fabulous! In my opinion, the tour was better
than the one at Cave of the Winds (down by Colorado Springs). Got lots of pics
and will post them somewhere at a later date.
Carl
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| Coalbunny |
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:14 pm |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:50:06 GMT, h2t3m4l5l4o3v2e3r@7yahoo.com (Coalbunny)
carved in granite...
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No.
1. Get a rope and several types of light sources (cyalume lightsticks,
battery flashlights, pump flashlights, etc.).
2. Get inside the sinkhole and check out the cave.
3. Start a business plan for a cave tour business.
4. Proceed from there.
In fact, this last weekend I was over by Glenwood Springs Colorado and met
several Colorado Geological Survey geologists there. I took the tour as did
they, and with the small group we had (the three geologist, the guide and
myself) I would have to say it was fabulous! In my opinion, the tour was better
than the one at Cave of the Winds (down by Colorado Springs). Got lots of pics
and will post them somewhere at a later date.
Carl
Sorry about that. The tour is the Glenwood Caverns (or something like that).
$10 for the tram ride to the top and an additional $5 for the tour. Or
something like that. $15 total. Worth every penny!
Carl
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| Jo Schaper |
| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:01 am |
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It's funny, Coalbunny. Several replies up I said: call the cavers.
Thinking this was entirely too flip, when I got off-Net I asked my
husband what he would do if a sinkhole developed in our backyard.
His answer: "Get a helmet, light and a rope and GO!"
Maybe we're just entirely too strange...
Jo
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| George |
| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:08 am |
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"Jo Schaper" <joschapernospam@socketdotnet> wrote in message
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Quote: It's funny, Coalbunny. Several replies up I said: call the cavers.
Thinking this was entirely too flip, when I got off-Net I asked my
husband what he would do if a sinkhole developed in our backyard.
His answer: "Get a helmet, light and a rope and GO!"
Maybe we're just entirely too strange...
Jo
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I don't know if I would go in these, not right away, at least:
http://www.stoptranspark.org/sinkholes.html
I saw the first one right after it formed. |
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