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| turtoni... |
 Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:06 pm |
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Optimism is likely "hardwired".
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias
"Optimism bias is the demonstrated systematic tendency for people to
be over-optimistic about the outcome of planned actions. This includes
over-estimating the likelihood of positive events and under-estimating
the likelihood of negative events. It is one of several kinds of
positive illusion to which people are generally susceptible." |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:09 pm |
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"A brain-imaging study found that, when imagining negative future
events, signals in the amygdala, an emotion centre of the brain, are
weaker than when remembering past negative events. This weakened
consideration of possible negative outcomes is one possible mechanism
for optimism bias."
An example of "hardwiring". |
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| Sir Frederick... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:55 pm |
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Deceit works, including self deceit.
This is supported in such as humans by a
common insanity. All information based structures,
such as humans, robots, and little green men,
must be insane to function in such as our finite,
fraudulent contexts.
An understanding as to what is sanity may not even
be available to 'us' humans. Of course there are political
and cultural definitions, but all are ad hoc and transitory
approximations. The very mystery as to the fact of existence
demands insanity, sanity is simply not available.
Thus : Deceit works, including self deceit.
Even as optimism and pessimism "placebos". |
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| BOfL... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:08 pm |
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On Jun 6, 9:52 am, extro... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
[quote:48eeab7593]The placebo effect is the phenomenon that a patient's symptoms can be
alleviated by an otherwise ineffective treatment, since the individual
expects or believes that it will work. Some people consider this to be
a remarkable aspect of human physiology; others consider it to be an
illusion arising from the way medical experiments were conducted.
In the opposite effect, a patient who disbelieves in a treatment may
experience a worsening of symptoms. This nocebo effect (Latin nocebo,
"I shall harm") can be measured in the same way as the placebo effect,
e.g., when members of a control group receiving an inert substance
report a worsening of symptoms. The recipients of the inert substance
may nullify the placebo effect intended by simply having a negative
attitude towards the effectiveness of the substance prescribed, which
often leads to a nocebo effect, which is not caused by the substance
itself, but more the patient's mentality towards her or his ability to
get well.
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SNIP
Not everything that can go wrong, does go wrong (despite Murphy), so a
pessimist occasionally is proven to have an invalid expectation and
therefor experiences the good , whereas , with a optimist, this will
go bad occasionally,so his pessimism proves invalid.
Better to have a cheerful pessimist than a disappointed optimist?
The truth is dead set in the middle,and is called realism.
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| BOfL... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:13 pm |
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On Jun 6, 2:06 pm, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote:d1da648949]Optimism is likely "hardwired".
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There are wires for every eventuation, depending on what experiences
someone needs for their unfoldment is whether they are activated or
not.
[quote:d1da648949]
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias
"Optimism bias is the demonstrated systematic tendency for people to
be over-optimistic about the outcome of planned actions. This includes
over-estimating the likelihood of positive events and under-estimating
the likelihood of negative events. It is one of several kinds of
positive illusion to which people are generally susceptible."
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The illusions are multi levelled. One can achieve every expectation,
only to find out that there was no substance in the actuality.
"All roads lead to Rome", whether you drive on the right or the left.
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| BOfL... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:35 pm |
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On Jun 6, 2:55 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:
[quote:1159747360]Deceit works, including self deceit.
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Who is this self you keep referring to Freddie?
One thing to move 'through' stories, but another to keep repeating the
same ones. I would have suspected that would lead to frustration and
even anger,both of which are fabrications, but have a real effect on
ones comfort as inferred by this thread.
[quote:1159747360]This is supported in such as humans by a
common insanity.
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Another word for which, is group consciousness. The 'self'
maintainining an attatchment to this 'entity', (constant repeating
being a method or reinforcing such attatchments) also fuels the fire
referred to above.
? All information based structures,
[quote:1159747360]such as humans, robots, and little green men,
must be insane to function in such as our finite,
fraudulent contexts.
[/quote:1159747360]
When sheep act like sheep, there is no problem, but the individual man
(perhaps Gordge being the exception  does so, it stirrs up inner
discontent.
[quote:1159747360]
An understanding as to what is sanity may not even
be available to 'us' humans.
[/quote:1159747360]
No one finds self by looking through group eyes.
[quote:1159747360]Of course there are political
and cultural definitions, but all are ad hoc and transitory
approximations. The very mystery as to the fact of existence
demands insanity, sanity is simply not available.
[/quote:1159747360]
It is for the only sane man in the village....How could you possibly
concieve of something that does not exist?
[quote:1159747360]
Thus : Deceit works, including self deceit.
[/quote:1159747360]
You are absolutely correct. Self is being decieved. The tail is
wagging the dog.
[quote:1159747360]
Even as optimism and pessimism "placebos".
[/quote:1159747360]
Again, correct. Just mental projections trying to find reality.
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:32 am |
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Optimism could apply to just the very notion that when you put one
step in front of the other you will *not* fall down.
We take many things for granted that lay at the very foundation of our
operations.
Our hardwiring likely comes from our historical biological natural
selection born from the specialized *successful* conditioning of the
brain during the generations of usage.
For example if we were naturally *overly* optimistic we would probably
have died out. So our amount of inherent optimism is just about the
right amount to have made us a successful species. |
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| A B... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:29 pm |
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I'd just like to request that any further postings on this thread aren't
cross-posted to alt.astrology as they are off-topic.
Great thread though and I shall be following it on other groups.
A. B. |
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| SuperMailing... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:08 pm |
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In article <4a2ad1a4$0$24006$db0fefd9 at (no spam) news.zen.co.uk>
"A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
[quote:91e320f067]
I'd just like to request that any further postings on this thread aren't
cross-posted to alt.astrology as they are off-topic.
Great thread though and I shall be following it on other groups.
A. B.
[/quote:91e320f067]
Request denied. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:22 am |
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On Jun 6, 1:29 pm, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
[quote:0e8de9b80d]I'd just like to request that any further postings on this thread aren't
cross-posted to alt.astrology as they are off-topic.
Great thread though and I shall be following it on other groups.
A. B.
[/quote:0e8de9b80d]
Denied.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2009 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
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| Anonymous... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:46 am |
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In article <49d9497b-b655-467d-bbed-65dd6d12bc34 at (no spam) s28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net wrote:
[quote:527ae749f4]
On Jun 6, 1:29=A0pm, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
I'd just like to request that any further postings on this thread aren't
cross-posted to alt.astrology as they are off-topic.
Great thread though and I shall be following it on other groups.
A. B.
Denied.
Edmond H. Wollmann S.c.u.m.b.a.G.
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Typical asshole reply. |
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