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| Greg D. Moore (Strider)... |
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| Katipo... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:49 pm |
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s at (no spam) greenms.com> wrote in message
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Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave
themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years? |
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| Jeff Findley... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:16 am |
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"Katipo" <h.laughland at (no spam) eggstra.co.nz> wrote in message
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5876061.html
I still expect this to change.
Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave
themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years?
Yes. NASA's reaction to the Columbia disaster made the end of the shuttle
program inevitable. It's possible a few more flights might be added or the
schedule may slip a bit, but it's going to end.
Part of the reason for "the gap" is Griffin's desire to develop Ares
I/Orion. The shuttle facilities will need quite a bit of modification and
new construction in order to fly Ares I instead of the shuttle. It would be
very expensive to try to fly them both at the same time.
Jeff
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| rjn... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:53 am |
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"Katipo" <h.laughl... at (no spam) eggstra.co.nz> wrote:
Quote: Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave
themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years?
Isn't that exactly what happened when the Saturn V
was retired in favor of the STS?
And why would any recent/upcoming Administration
and/or NASA management be less likely to repeat that?
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| Dr J R Stockton... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:43 pm |
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In sci.space.shuttle message <g5osqk$2ga$1 at (no spam) aioe.org>, Fri, 18 Jul 2008
13:49:13, Katipo <h.laughland at (no spam) eggstra.co.nz> posted:
Quote: Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave
themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years?
That's a two-part question, to which (with any luck) the answers are
respectively Yes and No. NASA does not speak for America.
And I dare say that, for a price, Europe could build a few extra Arianes
and ship then to a more northerly part of the West Shore. And the ex-
Soviets already ship launchers to (?) Long Beach and a launch site to
Kourou.
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| Brian Thorn... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:09 pm |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:43:10 +0100, Dr J R Stockton
<jrs at (no spam) merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: And I dare say that, for a price, Europe could build a few extra Arianes
and ship then to a more northerly part of the West Shore. And the ex-
Soviets already ship launchers to (?) Long Beach and a launch site to
Kourou.
For a modest price, we could launch Orion on Delta IV or Atlas V as
well. But the Ares is part of an infrastructure for going back to the
Moon and then on to Mar. So thus far, The President, Congress and NASA
are willing to put up with a few years gap in order to develop that
infrastructure.
We really need to review that infrastructure plan in light of
difficulties encountered with Ares and Orion, but so far, those
attempting to do so are being told to shut up and color.
Brian |
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| Brian Thorn... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:11 pm |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:53:11 -0700 (PDT), rjn <email4rjn at (no spam) yahoo.com>
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Quote: Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave
themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years?
Isn't that exactly what happened when the Saturn V
was retired in favor of the STS?
That was the plan. The reality was 6 years. I wouldn't rule out a 6
year gap this time, either.
Brian |
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| johnny at (no spam) .... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:24 pm |
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Brian Thorn wrote:
Quote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:43:10 +0100, Dr J R Stockton
jrs at (no spam) merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
And I dare say that, for a price, Europe could build a few extra Arianes
and ship then to a more northerly part of the West Shore. And the ex-
Soviets already ship launchers to (?) Long Beach and a launch site to
Kourou.
For a modest price, we could launch Orion on Delta IV or Atlas V as
well. But the Ares is part of an infrastructure for going back to the
Moon and then on to Mar. So thus far, The President, Congress and NASA
are willing to put up with a few years gap in order to develop that
infrastructure.
It shouldn't be that hard going back to the moon. Didn't we do it in 1969?
I thought the moon was the stepping stone to the planets, and then the
stars. I thought there would be more progress in this direction in my
lifetime. I'm really disappointed.
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We really need to review that infrastructure plan in light of
difficulties encountered with Ares and Orion, but so far, those
attempting to do so are being told to shut up and color.
Brian
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| Brian Thorn... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:51 pm |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:24:56 -0500, "johnny at (no spam) ." <johnny at (no spam) .> wrote:
Quote: It shouldn't be that hard going back to the moon. Didn't we do it in 1969?
Yes, with about six times the budget.
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| rjn... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:34 am |
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Brian Thorn <bthor... at (no spam) suddenlink.net> wrote >>
Quote: Isn't that exactly what happened when the Saturn V
was retired in favor of the STS?
That was the plan. The reality was 6 years.
And there was more on the line then, too.
An unmanned space station (Skylab) was depending
on STS for a reboost. Didn't get it. Poof.
At least during this gap the US can buy launch seats
to ISS from the RKA, although I shouldn't be at
all surprised if RKA "discovers" they need to raise
the price of the tickets post-STS.
Quote: I wouldn't rule out a 6 year gap this time, either.
I wouldn't rule out an infinite gap. Ares looks to
me a lot like the effort to rebuild the WTC in NYC.
7 years later it's still a hole in the ground.
After STS is parted out to museums, Branson/Rutan
gen3 hardware may get back to ISS before NASA's
deja vue Apollo II Lite Jr. hardware does.
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| Brian Thorn... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:22 am |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:34:56 -0700 (PDT), rjn <email4rjn at (no spam) yahoo.com>
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Quote: And there was more on the line then, too.
An unmanned space station (Skylab) was depending
on STS for a reboost. Didn't get it. Poof.
No it wasn't, that was an afterthought. There were no plans to occupy
SkyLab beyond SkyLab 4. And it wasn't all Shuttle's fault. When
launched in 1973, SkyLab was expected to have a 9-to-10 year orbital
lifetime, instead it came down in 1979. Shuttle was expected to fly in
November 1978 but slipped to April 1981. The Shuttle/SkyLab TRS flight
was originally to be something like the 5th or 6th Shuttle flight. As
the Shuttle was delayed and SkyLab's entry period advanced, that moved
all the way up to STS-2 before the two dates passed one another going
in opposite directions.
Quote: At least during this gap the US can buy launch seats
to ISS from the RKA, although I shouldn't be at
all surprised if RKA "discovers" they need to raise
the price of the tickets post-STS.
Count on it.
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| Dr J R Stockton... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:20 pm |
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In sci.space.shuttle message <7xvgk.4157$bN2.2759 at (no spam) bignews9.bellsouth.net
Quote: , Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:24:56, "johnny at (no spam) ." <johnny at (no spam) ?.?.invalid> posted:
It shouldn't be that hard going back to the moon. Didn't we do it in 1969?
No : an earlier generation did it. Essentially none of them will have
an active part in the return attempt.
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| bob haller safety advocate... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:54 am |
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my prediction, the new crew vehicle will get placed on delta heavy
existing expendables as it should have from day one.
the moon mars plan will be delayed, but studied..........
nasa loves studying stuff
the shuttle will continue to fly till the new crew vehicle is
operational, or the shuttles next accident whichever comes first......
obama priorties will be afghan war, energy, and our economy.
there wouldnt be bucks for space, ISS will be lucky if it survives the
budget ax.
our entire country is just getting the message, were becoming a 2nd
class country, being bankrupted by oil costs and excess pork spending.
the current recession will only get worse becoming a mini depression |
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