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Day Brown...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:05 pm
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In the wild, hummingbirds get along pretty well. But if you put up a
feeder, you create a concentrated resource which soon comes to be
dominated and struggled over by the alpha males.

If you maintain the feeder for several years, the progeny of alphas get
more food and you have more alphas and more aggression. If you put up
two feeders, as I have, far enuf apart that no single male can watch and
dominate both, now you see a kind of Christian/Moslem balance of terror
in which the two dominant males chase back and forth between the
resource bases which lets the rest of the flock feed.

But its a pretty high stress lifestyle with each bird having to watch
out for attack from any other higher in the pecking order. In their own
natural habitat, the resource to support a high energy lifestyle is too
dispersed for any alpha male to control and significant portion of it.

Which is why the hominid alpha males in charge of the power structures
have not been able to develop alternative energy. They instinctively get
it, that the resulting dispersal of power would disempower them.

Nowhere is this more obvious than in wind power. Last year, with the new
generation of aeronautic software designed turbines, the 10 year
amortized cost of a 20 megawatt wind tower was $0.04/kwhr. Nukes, which
concentrate power, without hidden government subsidy like insurance, can
not amortize the initial investment in 20 years; and while the recent
rise in oil/gas prices has driven up both the value of the electricity
produced, and the cost of installation, wind power construction costs
have not risen as fast as nuclear.

And while it takes a decade to bring a nuke online, you can bring a wind
turbine online in 10 months. So why dont we see the rise in investment?
Well, for one, the alpha male financial industry thot they understood
mortgages and the housing market, so they threw money at it. The had the
typical "not invented here" attitude to windpower, which they regard as
yet another geeky kook idea.

With a nuke, they use river front property in dense industrial zones,
which have dramatically high real estate prices they think they know
well and can profit from. With wind, its only a couple thousand for an
acre way the fuck out in the boonies, and small farmers get to profit.
Well, there's no cream in this to skim; we cant have that.

Their argument has always been that the wind stops blowing. Ignoring the
fact that if the grid covers enuf territory, the wind will always be
blowing on some part of it. They admit there are security concerns with
nukes, but they say they can handle that. Course, they dont say we get
to pay them for doing that.

We also get to pay them for drilling for oil ever deeper in ever more
remote and difficult locations on a pretty much cost plus basis. It was
also reported to a congressional hearing that while Big Oil gets the
lion's share of the money on the basis they will invest in new recovery,
its the small independent operators that are actually doing that. It has
been lots easier for Big Oil to let the small fry find it, then hire the
lawyers to make offers they cant refuse to sell out. Since Big Oil also
owns the courts from Scalia and Roberts on down, its an easy sell.

Its not about creating more power for progress, its about controlling
the power that is already here. That effort is about to unravel. Either
thru total global economic collapse, or the redirection of funds from
speculation driving the cost of oil up to innovation like combining wind
power with the new aluminum alloy hydrogen generator.

http://www.chemistrytimes.com/research/Aluminum_Alloys_for_Hydrogen_Generation.asp
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2008a/080219WoodallAluminum.html

These sources are not kooks but competent scientists who have something.
Like an aluminum alloy that costs 15$/kg. When exposed to water, it
gives off hydrogen which can fuel an engine. For 15$ worth of aluminum a
small car can go 600 miles. Then, the aluminum canister can be plugged
in and recharged. With electricity from a wind grid that goes for less
than a dime a kilowatt. Since 25kw will push your car down the freeway
at 70mph, it works out equal to gasoline at $1.25 gallon.

We could pull our troops out of the Mid East; we wont need their oil,
and we can quit sending our boys over as targets. JR Lowel:"When firmly
seated in power, a man comes to think that security, and not progress,
is the highest form of statecraft." From GW Bush thru the generals on
down thru all the bureaucrats in the wars on drugs and terrorism, they
think they understand how to deliver security, but have no fucking clue
as to what progress is.

The last thing they want is the dispersal of power that comes as a
result of alternative energy.


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Phil...
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:28 am
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The information about hummingbirds and oil production is dead wrong. I
have no knowledge of an aluminum alloy being used for fuel but I do know
that GM produced an electric car that was wonderful (that disappeared
under suspicious circumstances along with the design for a high mileage
battery, purchased by one of the big oil companies).
The only semi-accurate part of this post is the last two paragraphs and
they are both severely incomplete.
Phil #3


"Day Brown" <daybrown at (no spam) daybrown.org> wrote in message
news:1213741872_311734 at (no spam) pro-front01.com...
Quote:
In the wild, hummingbirds get along pretty well. But if you put up a
feeder, you create a concentrated resource which soon comes to be
dominated and struggled over by the alpha males.

If you maintain the feeder for several years, the progeny of alphas
get more food and you have more alphas and more aggression. If you put
up two feeders, as I have, far enuf apart that no single male can
watch and dominate both, now you see a kind of Christian/Moslem
balance of terror in which the two dominant males chase back and forth
between the resource bases which lets the rest of the flock feed.

But its a pretty high stress lifestyle with each bird having to watch
out for attack from any other higher in the pecking order. In their
own natural habitat, the resource to support a high energy lifestyle
is too dispersed for any alpha male to control and significant portion
of it.

Which is why the hominid alpha males in charge of the power structures
have not been able to develop alternative energy. They instinctively
get it, that the resulting dispersal of power would disempower them.

Nowhere is this more obvious than in wind power. Last year, with the
new generation of aeronautic software designed turbines, the 10 year
amortized cost of a 20 megawatt wind tower was $0.04/kwhr. Nukes,
which concentrate power, without hidden government subsidy like
insurance, can not amortize the initial investment in 20 years; and
while the recent rise in oil/gas prices has driven up both the value
of the electricity produced, and the cost of installation, wind power
construction costs have not risen as fast as nuclear.

And while it takes a decade to bring a nuke online, you can bring a
wind turbine online in 10 months. So why dont we see the rise in
investment?
Well, for one, the alpha male financial industry thot they understood
mortgages and the housing market, so they threw money at it. The had
the typical "not invented here" attitude to windpower, which they
regard as yet another geeky kook idea.

With a nuke, they use river front property in dense industrial zones,
which have dramatically high real estate prices they think they know
well and can profit from. With wind, its only a couple thousand for an
acre way the fuck out in the boonies, and small farmers get to profit.
Well, there's no cream in this to skim; we cant have that.

Their argument has always been that the wind stops blowing. Ignoring
the fact that if the grid covers enuf territory, the wind will always
be blowing on some part of it. They admit there are security concerns
with nukes, but they say they can handle that. Course, they dont say
we get to pay them for doing that.

We also get to pay them for drilling for oil ever deeper in ever more
remote and difficult locations on a pretty much cost plus basis. It
was also reported to a congressional hearing that while Big Oil gets
the lion's share of the money on the basis they will invest in new
recovery, its the small independent operators that are actually doing
that. It has been lots easier for Big Oil to let the small fry find
it, then hire the lawyers to make offers they cant refuse to sell out.
Since Big Oil also owns the courts from Scalia and Roberts on down,
its an easy sell.

Its not about creating more power for progress, its about controlling
the power that is already here. That effort is about to unravel.
Either thru total global economic collapse, or the redirection of
funds from speculation driving the cost of oil up to innovation like
combining wind power with the new aluminum alloy hydrogen generator.

http://www.chemistrytimes.com/research/Aluminum_Alloys_for_Hydrogen_Generation.asp
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2008a/080219WoodallAluminum.html

These sources are not kooks but competent scientists who have
something. Like an aluminum alloy that costs 15$/kg. When exposed to
water, it gives off hydrogen which can fuel an engine. For 15$ worth
of aluminum a small car can go 600 miles. Then, the aluminum canister
can be plugged in and recharged. With electricity from a wind grid
that goes for less than a dime a kilowatt. Since 25kw will push your
car down the freeway at 70mph, it works out equal to gasoline at $1.25
gallon.

We could pull our troops out of the Mid East; we wont need their oil,
and we can quit sending our boys over as targets. JR Lowel:"When
firmly seated in power, a man comes to think that security, and not
progress, is the highest form of statecraft." From GW Bush thru the
generals on down thru all the bureaucrats in the wars on drugs and
terrorism, they think they understand how to deliver security, but
have no fucking clue as to what progress is.

The last thing they want is the dispersal of power that comes as a
result of alternative energy.


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Day Brown...
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:23 pm
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Phil wrote:
Quote:
The information about hummingbirds and oil production is dead wrong. I
have no knowledge of an aluminum alloy being used for fuel but I do know
that GM produced an electric car that was wonderful (that disappeared
under suspicious circumstances along with the design for a high mileage
battery, purchased by one of the big oil companies).
The only semi-accurate part of this post is the last two paragraphs and
they are both severely incomplete.
Phil #3
I posted the links. I dont expect everyone to read everything I say

closely, but check out:
http://www.chemistrytimes.com/research/Aluminum_Alloys_for_Hydrogen_Generation.asp
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2008a/080219WoodallAluminum.html
Based on the above data, a kg of the alloy would cost about 15$, and
push the car 600 miles. However, I cannot say whether the supply of the
other metals in the alloy, which are only 5% are abundant enuf when
production ramped up enuf to impact the oil market.

*BUT* if the next president merely stated that the government would fund
a crash program to bring this online in a major way, that would
immediately deflate the speculation which is now driving the price of
oil up beyond any reasonable level based on global supply and demand.
That's a problem with capitalism; markets are not always rational. As
Greenspan said, "exhuberance".

Whether the oil outfits and automakers would try to repress this or not,
as has been claimed for other innovations such as the electric car you
cite, at this point, there are so many other transnationals and
industries that are loosing profits that they'd blow any lid on it away.

The other question is whether the windpower can be ramped up enuf to run
the bauxite foundries in the first place to make the aluminum and
recharge the alloy canisters for millions of cars. A 20 megawatt tower'd
produce enuf power for 800 cars when the wind blows, but I've no data
showing what the daily average production is, or what the cost of the
turbine is.

Seems like merely putting an alloy canister and tank of water in the
trunk could supply hydrogen to the air intake; you still start the car
on gasoline, but now, it can be run so lean the mpg would double, and do
so without costly major engineering or mechanical changes to your car.
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