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Blupencl...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:37 am
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The idea of Obama winning the presidency just gives me the freakin
willies. I really, really thought Hillary would win!

I have always known I am not prejudiced against him because he is of
mixed race. I know that he is not Muslim. He's a very accomplished
person. He's not a dummy by any means.

My family all came over yesterday. My brother and his wife are so
pro-Obama it is insane, just like I was pro-Clinton. We've really not
discussed it much because it's like gasoline and a match, and because
I'm not a political person. I can never really defend my feelings
because I don't know enough about it.

I know I am a Democrat. I am scared to death to have another Repub
administration in there. But I just went nuts when Clinton conceded. OMG
it was awful, I was so sad!

So I sat here and thought about it a lot. I think I am prejudiced
against him because he seems like a foreigner to me! Not because he is
brown, not because his wife is black, but because he doesn't seem like
an American. If his name were John Smith, I might not have such a
problem with it. It's because of his childhood and background.

I am so confused. I also think, for some insane reason, that he will
throw us white folk in the trash - which is just plain goofy. I don't
think the white bread white guys will throw black people in the trash, I
never think about it.

This is the only time in my life I have been so confused about an
election. I feel as if I have no vote!


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Judity...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:37 am
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Becky, I respect the fact you are a Clinton fan as are many here.
Unlike you, though, I cringed at the thought of that woman becoming
our President. It wasn't so much that she's a woman, although I
don't trust her to be wise enough to safeguard our country against
more powerful men. I would welcome a woman some day in the White
House, just not her and the baggage she has, namely her philandering,
lying spouse. I lost respect for both of them years ago. The way
they both behaved in the last few months did nothing to change my
mind.

((It's because of his childhood and background. ))

I'm confused a bit, Becky, with that sentence. What is it about those
that you don't feel comfortable with? Is it the fact he grew up
outside of the United States? My older sister's children were all
raised in Brazil, but are still considered citizens of our country
just as he is. Could it be the fact he was raised without a father's
influence? Trust me, having some fathers around is highly overrated.
Maybe in his case, this made him a stronger person.

I hate to sound prejudice myself, but could some of your fears about
Senator Obama be because of your southern background where blacks were
considered second-class for so long?

(( I don't
think the white bread white guys will throw black people in the trash,
I
never think about it. ))

You might want to read more black history and then think about it.
They've been thrown out with the trash and still are in some areas of
the country. I'm sad you feel this way about Senator Obama since I
really was hoping prejudice against those not white-bread people would
be dying out during my lifetime. Guess not!

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Judity...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:37 am
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(( We need a woman who runs
on her own qualifications, not chiefly because she once lived in the
White House. I think she vastly overplayed the amount of influence
she
had at that time, and she's been shifty about what actually
occurred. ))

Exactly, Gisele. All during her primary campaign, it felt like we
would be getting the TWO Clintons for the price of one if she won.
Definitely not a bargain no matter what spin you put on it, and it
would most definitely have cost us one way or another.

As far as her husband not being the first married President to whore
around, Becky, that doesn't make it any more right. Here we had a
President who not only cheated on his wife but was a bald-faced liar
when asked about it. I simply don't trust a man like that and do not
want him anywhere near the White House again. We all have our
prejudices, and men cheating on their families is one of mine.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed if Senator Obama hopefully wins the
Presidential nomination that he does not chose the Clintons to be his
VP.

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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:51 am
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Blupencl wrote:
Quote:

I am so confused. I also think, for some insane reason, that he will
throw us white folk in the trash - which is just plain goofy. I don't
think the white bread white guys will throw black people in the trash, I
never think about it.


Didn't he come from plebian roots, or am I thinking about a different
candidate.

Becky, you are probably just reacting to the way and era in which you
were raised. I know I have my own weirdisms because of the way I was
raised, and like that old song from South Pacific goes, "You've got to
be carefully taught," and when you are, it's hard to get past sometimes.
Blupencl...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:03 am
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No. I am relieved and thankful to know that it is not because he is
black or brown. I had to think about it. It is because he seems like a
foreigner. Now I guess that is just another form of prejudice, but I AM
SCARED right now. I have been reading a little bit this morning, trying
to inform myself - I never thought I would have to.

As for Bill Clinton, he is far from the first to philander or lie and
that never bothered me about him, for some reason, as far as feeling
secure with him as a leader. His choice bothered me - bunch of floozies,
ignorant ones, when he had a great wife at home. Didn't seem too bright
as far as choosing went.

I trusted every word he said. My husband and I voted for him each and
every time he ran for anything - and I would today if he were running
for office.

I'm trying to get edjamicated. I'm reading. I still don't like it. My
old boss and mentor absolutely worshiped the ground John McCain walked
on. That gives me a bit of a problem too, because I really trusted Dr.
Woods and his judgment. Wish he hadn't died so we could talk about it
again!

I don't trust any of them and I'm scared. I want us out of Iraq. I want
a car that runs on water. I want to be 5 feet 7 inches tall and weigh
120 pounds!

Quote:

I hate to sound prejudice myself, but could some of your fears about

Senator Obama be because of your southern background where blacks were
considered second-class for so long?>


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Gisele...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:04 am
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Thanks, Becky, for sharing your thought processes about this out loud.
I was willing to vote for Hillary when the campaigns began. However, as
things unfolded, I became really not convinced about her explanation for
her vote for war. Other people have said that they made a mistake in
voting that to Bush, but she just has never been able to say that she
was wrong. This is troubling to me. We are all wrong occasionally, why
not just admit it??? Also, she confounds herself too often with her
husband's political record. SHE is not HIM! We need a woman who runs
on her own qualifications, not chiefly because she once lived in the
White House. I think she vastly overplayed the amount of influence she
had at that time, and she's been shifty about what actually occurred.
She was FOR NAFTA back then, now she's against it! She could explain
her thought processes about how she came to her present stand, but she
doesn't, she just claims that she was always against it, even when Bill
was working for it. These things just do not set right with me. They
wouldn't set right with me in a male candidate either. I caucused for
Obama in our state of Colorado, and Hillary just blew us all off, we
didn't "count" in her book, and why? Because her husband didn't do well
in caucus states! Do you see the problems here? Anyway, like I said,
thanks for sharing your thoughts about this.

Gisele


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Gisele...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:25 pm
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On the other hand, I have to give Hillary credit for getting as far as
she did. People took her seriously as a candidate, and I think with
good reason. This will make it easier for the next qualified woman who
decides to run, and I thank her for that.

Gisele


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Judity...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:38 pm
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Jan, I know how you feel, so no flaming from me.

I would like to think Senator Obama means everything he's been saying,
but I've been voting in too many Presidential races to believe
anyone's campaign promises. All we can do as citizens is mark the
box, pull the lever, or whatever way we are given to vote for one of
the two candidates.

After that, just sit back and hope our country survives the next four
years under the winner. If you're religious, probably a little prayer
now and then wouldn't hurt either!

Judity
Susan Mitchell...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:59 pm
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Thanks so much for sharing so openly (as others say below). All I can say is
take the leap of trust. I feel we must get a democrat in the white house and
we absolutely cannot have McCain. I spoke to a doctor the other day who is a
strong republican who says we cannot have McCain as he is (in his opinion)
far worse than Bush -- he has a horrible temper and in his opinion suffers
more than just PTSD. He is voting for Obama. Here is a new site to check out
about smears concerning Obama:




http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/



At his website he discusses his issues, etc.



http://www.barackobama.com/index.php



His life is pretty much an open book, literally, as he has written about it
in Dreams from My Father and Audacity of Hope. The first one he talks about
his youth and upbringing. He spent a lot of years in Hawaii and only a few
in Africa.



I like the fact that he is not a veteran Washington insider, this in my
opinion is a good thing. Look what insiders have done to this country. He
will not act and cannot act on his own. He will be surrounded by good
people. There is no doubt he will utilize Jim Webb, Joe Biden, Bill
Richardson and many more very well seasoned Washingtonians in his cabinet
and to work with him. He is a very smart man and will, I feel, be good for
the country. I sincerely feel you have nothing to fear. I actually do
believe the fear many feel is his name and his color, even if we don't think
that is what it is. That is not to say anything negative about you
personally, but I think since we "white folks" are used to white leaders we
fear the backlash (thinking perhaps we would be that way) of a black leader.
Remember he is half white.



Your honesty in your writing was great and I feel just what a lot of folks
are pondering. Thanks.




Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!


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Quote:

The idea of Obama winning the presidency just gives me the freakin
willies. I really, really thought Hillary would win!

I have always known I am not prejudiced against him because he is of
mixed race. I know that he is not Muslim. He's a very accomplished
person. He's not a dummy by any means.

My family all came over yesterday. My brother and his wife are so
pro-Obama it is insane, just like I was pro-Clinton. We've really not
discussed it much because it's like gasoline and a match, and because
I'm not a political person. I can never really defend my feelings
because I don't know enough about it.

I know I am a Democrat. I am scared to death to have another Repub
administration in there. But I just went nuts when Clinton conceded. OMG
it was awful, I was so sad!

So I sat here and thought about it a lot. I think I am prejudiced
against him because he seems like a foreigner to me! Not because he is
brown, not because his wife is black, but because he doesn't seem like
an American. If his name were John Smith, I might not have such a
problem with it. It's because of his childhood and background.

I am so confused. I also think, for some insane reason, that he will
throw us white folk in the trash - which is just plain goofy. I don't
think the white bread white guys will throw black people in the trash, I
never think about it.

This is the only time in my life I have been so confused about an
election. I feel as if I have no vote!


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Kathycarp...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:30 pm
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These two statements (together) don't make logical sense to me:

"I like the fact that he is not a veteran Washington insider, this in my
opinion is a good thing."

and

"There is no doubt he will utilize Jim Webb, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson and
many more very well seasoned Washingtonians in his cabinet and to work with
him."

Washington insider = bad thing?
Well seasoned Washingtonians = good thing?


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Thanks so much for sharing so openly (as others say below). All I can say
is take the leap of trust. I feel we must get a democrat in the white
house and we absolutely cannot have McCain. I spoke to a doctor the other
day who is a strong republican who says we cannot have McCain as he is (in
his opinion) far worse than Bush -- he has a horrible temper and in his
opinion suffers more than just PTSD. He is voting for Obama. Here is a new
site to check out about smears concerning Obama:




http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/



At his website he discusses his issues, etc.



http://www.barackobama.com/index.php



His life is pretty much an open book, literally, as he has written about
it in Dreams from My Father and Audacity of Hope. The first one he talks
about his youth and upbringing. He spent a lot of years in Hawaii and only
a few in Africa.



I like the fact that he is not a veteran Washington insider, this in my
opinion is a good thing. Look what insiders have done to this country. He
will not act and cannot act on his own. He will be surrounded by good
people. There is no doubt he will utilize Jim Webb, Joe Biden, Bill
Richardson and many more very well seasoned Washingtonians in his cabinet
and to work with him. He is a very smart man and will, I feel, be good for
the country. I sincerely feel you have nothing to fear. I actually do
believe the fear many feel is his name and his color, even if we don't
think that is what it is. That is not to say anything negative about you
personally, but I think since we "white folks" are used to white leaders
we fear the backlash (thinking perhaps we would be that way) of a black
leader. Remember he is half white.



Your honesty in your writing was great and I feel just what a lot of folks
are pondering. Thanks.




Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!


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The idea of Obama winning the presidency just gives me the freakin
willies. I really, really thought Hillary would win!

I have always known I am not prejudiced against him because he is of
mixed race. I know that he is not Muslim. He's a very accomplished
person. He's not a dummy by any means.

My family all came over yesterday. My brother and his wife are so
pro-Obama it is insane, just like I was pro-Clinton. We've really not
discussed it much because it's like gasoline and a match, and because
I'm not a political person. I can never really defend my feelings
because I don't know enough about it.

I know I am a Democrat. I am scared to death to have another Repub
administration in there. But I just went nuts when Clinton conceded. OMG
it was awful, I was so sad!

So I sat here and thought about it a lot. I think I am prejudiced
against him because he seems like a foreigner to me! Not because he is
brown, not because his wife is black, but because he doesn't seem like
an American. If his name were John Smith, I might not have such a
problem with it. It's because of his childhood and background.

I am so confused. I also think, for some insane reason, that he will
throw us white folk in the trash - which is just plain goofy. I don't
think the white bread white guys will throw black people in the trash, I
never think about it.

This is the only time in my life I have been so confused about an
election. I feel as if I have no vote!


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RaeMorrill...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:59 pm
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I personally think that taking a stand against some just because he or
she cheated on a spouse will end up backfiring when someone who claims
to be squeaky clean on other side pointing fingers turns out to be doing
the same thing. For example, good old Newt Gingrich throwing stones at
Clinton, then it turns out he did the same thing and, if I recall
correctly, left his wife or divorced her when she was pretty much on her
death bed. Did he lie about it? If not outright, it was certainly an
omission of the truth. Castigating Clinton while doing or having done
the same thing without revealing it is even worse. Bet there have been
very few powerful world leaders that have not been guilty of this,
including many presidents of this country, many of whom are well
respected in spite of it. Just about anyone would lie about this -
doesn't necessarily make them dishonest otherwise. There are also plenty
of liars who have never cheated. Human nature - that's one thing nobody
that's doing it is likely to tell the truth about. Too much to lose.
Look at all the preachers caught doing the same thing, preachers who
probably were actively condemning Bill while hiding someone under their
own desks!

As far as Hillary, my mom commented to me that she didn't like her, but
she did have to allow that she had really worked hard. I guess I will be
voting for Obama, because I won't be voting for McCain.


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mountain...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:27 pm
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RaeMorrill Wrote:
Quote:
Castigating Clinton while doing or having done the same thing without
revealing it is even worse. Bet there have been very few powerful world
leaders that have not been guilty of this, including many presidents of
this country, many of whom are well respected in spite of it. Just about
anyone would lie about this - doesn't necessarily make them dishonest
otherwise.
Jefferson, FDR, Kennedy, Clinton, who else?



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Anne V....
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:38 pm
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Honestly, I feel Bill was a big handicap for Hillary in this election. For
someone who used to be such a canny campaigner, he just could not keep his
feet out of his mouth this time around! I really began to wonder whether he
was running for her or against her.

Rae, you're in the same spot I'd have been in had Hillary gotten the
nomination. I made up my mind long ago that I'd vote for her if she was the
Democratic nominee, but she wasn't my candidate of choice. There's just no
way I could in any way, shape, or form vote to continue the same policies
we've been living under for the last 2 terms. I've never felt so helpless
and angry in all my life as this administration has made me feel! I can't
tell you how many times I've wanted to scream to the world, "They don't
represent ME!!!!"

Anne

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I personally think that taking a stand against some just because he or
she cheated on a spouse will end up backfiring when someone who claims
to be squeaky clean on other side pointing fingers turns out to be doing
the same thing. For example, good old Newt Gingrich throwing stones at
Clinton, then it turns out he did the same thing and, if I recall
correctly, left his wife or divorced her when she was pretty much on her
death bed. Did he lie about it? If not outright, it was certainly an
omission of the truth. Castigating Clinton while doing or having done
the same thing without revealing it is even worse. Bet there have been
very few powerful world leaders that have not been guilty of this,
including many presidents of this country, many of whom are well
respected in spite of it. Just about anyone would lie about this -
doesn't necessarily make them dishonest otherwise. There are also plenty
of liars who have never cheated. Human nature - that's one thing nobody
that's doing it is likely to tell the truth about. Too much to lose.
Look at all the preachers caught doing the same thing, preachers who
probably were actively condemning Bill while hiding someone under their
own desks!

As far as Hillary, my mom commented to me that she didn't like her, but
she did have to allow that she had really worked hard. I guess I will be
voting for Obama, because I won't be voting for McCain.


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fairjan...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:26 pm
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RaeMorrill Wrote:
Quote:

As far as Hillary, my mom commented to me that she didn't like her, but
she did have to allow that she had really worked hard. I guess I will be
voting for Obama, because I won't be voting for McCain.

I've always been the first way to shout it to the roof tops that if you
don't vote then you don't have a right to complain. Afraid I am going
to have to eat my words this election. I've always been an independent
and could usually find something about someone who was running for
office that I liked. Not this year. I can honestly say (unfortunately)
that there is not one candidate that I trust or like enough to vote for.
Unless something magic really happens between now and November this is
one gal who will be setting home on election day because I think we are
in deep do-do - no matter who wins.

Now - I've said my piece, but please don't flame me - I get my feelings
hurt too easily - LOL.


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Gisele...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:58 pm
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Personally, I DO believe McCain's campaign promises, and that's why I'm
voting for Obama! Very Happy

Gisele


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