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Day Brown...
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:07 pm
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Hominids evolved in villages that had total economic vertical
integration. Everything consumed in the village was produced by
the village, and everyone knew the consumers were the workers.
Likewise, the spiritual, emotional, & material needs were all
met by the same people who had the same needs.

Today, governments, transnationals, religions, etc each focus
on some particular aspect of life, and while each can fulfill a
given need very efficiently, there's a lack of integration with
the whole person, and unseen factors outside the purview of any
of them can be quite destructive.

Hence, for instance, drug addiction. Nobody notices there is a
problem until after addiction has set in and it affects action
in one of the above millieus. This is not new. It was seen when
the industrial revolution began, and in the 19th century, many
utopian communities were formed trying to deal with it. Back in
the 1960's, hippie communes sprung up in urban areas, many of
which tried to move to a rural setting.

Today, only a handful of them survived. A lot of the problem is
the idea that country village life was simple. The simple fact
that Utzi, the 5000 year old Neolithic Ice man had 22 different
kinds of wood on his person is a clue to hidden complexity. We
also have the report of Jared Diamond, saying that when he went
with a New Guinea Highlander into the forest, he heard the man
draw on a literally encyclopedic database to expound for hours
on the minutae of all the flora and fauna encountered. When he
cannot remember all this, they think he is retarded.

Yet, they cannot handle simple algebra. Just who getsta decide
what intelligence is? Urban hippies didnt appreciate the subtle
complexity of agrarian life, their gardens were not nearly as
productive as they were led to believe, and they didnt believe
how much work it really was to farm organically. Llkewise, my
neck of Ozark woods is littered with abandoned homesteads; the
place may look like the same log cabin, but if you look back at
where the Pioneers actually put their log cabins, that was rich
bottom lands, not the thin soils in mountains. People like the
rich views without realizing the cost is poor land.

"Life in a Medieval Village" was taken from the 13th century
court records of an English Midlands hamlet that was so out of
the way that none of the armies sweeping across the country had
noticed it. Here again, the complexity of the economic system
surprises modern urbanites. Its not the same daily rat race year
in, year out; some tasks, hauling firewood or water, are daily,
but most of the day's work depends on the season.

And whereas hippie communes had long meetings about what needed
to be done, in the Medieval village, everyone already knew cause
they'd all been raised doing it. And today, young people move up
in corporations that have their own traditions going back several
generations unaware of all the meetings that had gone on before
to hammer out how things should be done.

However, ever since the Hippies, there's been some young people
aware that the system was not sustainable, and looking for a new
way to organize life. And recently, the Iraq war has had much the
same effect on them the Vietnam war had, sharpening the awareness
of the exploitation needed to support the American way of life,
and the rising costs to control a smaller portion of the global
resource base.

One diff now is that whereas the Hippie communes were started by
charismatic male leaders, such as Steve Gaston ("The Farm" is an
ongoing operation still), today the leadership is female; witch
covens avoid the notorious disasters of personality cults; the
disasters at Jonestown, Waco, and Hale Bopp come to mind.

Another diff now is the email effect, where those interested can
exchange ideas and experience far beyond those they meet in their
own local communities. Whether the electronic media meetings they
now have will result in more realistic expectations and practical
ways of coping as they try to re-establish village life remains to
be seen. But done right, the payoff is enormous.

Archaeology, anthropology, sociology, neurology, brain biochemisty,
and psychology have revealed a lot about what hominids were like
in the past, what we are like now, and what will or wont work in
the decades since the Hippie communes failed. And whereas before
a young man could make a good living and support a family, today,
that social model is far less promising; costs have risen, but not
incomes. So, young women are networking with older women who have
the assets to help them raise their kids. This looks like ancient
witches managing tribal resource bases.

The women are already forming good old girl networks to help find
jobs, housing, childcare, etc, and all that remains is to setup
the profitable enterprises themselves that own the real estate to
eliminate the high costs of male management and commissions.
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Mike Russell...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:19 am
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That was sterling, Day. Thanks.
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Mike Russell - mike.russell-home.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:38 am
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"Day Brown" <daybrown at (no spam) daybrown.org> wrote in message
news:1213603549_311633 at (no spam) pro-front01.com...
Quote:
Hence, for instance, drug addiction. Nobody notices there is a
problem until after addiction has set in

Eh, I'd have to dispute this observation.


Quote:
Yet, they cannot handle simple algebra. Just who getsta decide
what intelligence is? Urban hippies didnt appreciate the subtle
complexity of agrarian life, their gardens were not nearly as
productive as they were led to believe, and they didnt believe
how much work it really was to farm organically.

The fact that hippies were drawn to an unattainable utopian vision has very
little to do with the mechanics of organic farming.

After all, 100+ years ago we were all farming "organically".



Quote:
"Life in a Medieval Village" was taken from the 13th century
court records of an English Midlands hamlet that was so out of
the way that none of the armies sweeping across the country had
noticed it. Here again, the complexity of the economic system
surprises modern urbanites. Its not the same daily rat race year
in, year out; some tasks, hauling firewood or water, are daily,
but most of the day's work depends on the season.

And whereas hippie communes had long meetings about what needed
to be done, in the Medieval village, everyone already knew cause
they'd all been raised doing it.

This is a mere illumination of the obvious. And in fact one doesn't need to
look back to Medieval times to see this, one can see it in today's farming
families.


Quote:

However, ever since the Hippies, there's been some young people
aware that the system was not sustainable, and looking for a new
way to organize life. And recently, the Iraq war has had much the
same effect on them the Vietnam war had, sharpening the awareness
of the exploitation needed to support the American way of life,
and the rising costs to control a smaller portion of the global
resource base.

One diff now is that whereas the Hippie communes were started by
charismatic male leaders, such as Steve Gaston ("The Farm" is an
ongoing operation still), today the leadership is female; witch
covens avoid the notorious disasters of personality cults; the
disasters at Jonestown, Waco, and Hale Bopp come to mind.

Another diff now is the email effect, where those interested can
exchange ideas and experience far beyond those they meet in their
own local communities. Whether the electronic media meetings they
now have will result in more realistic expectations and practical
ways of coping as they try to re-establish village life remains to
be seen. But done right, the payoff is enormous.

Archaeology, anthropology, sociology, neurology, brain biochemisty,
and psychology have revealed a lot about what hominids were like
in the past, what we are like now, and what will or wont work in
the decades since the Hippie communes failed. And whereas before
a young man could make a good living and support a family, today,
that social model is far less promising; costs have risen, but not
incomes. So, young women are networking with older women who have
the assets to help them raise their kids. This looks like ancient
witches managing tribal resource bases.

The women are already forming good old girl networks to help find
jobs, housing, childcare, etc, and all that remains is to setup
the profitable enterprises themselves that own the real estate to
eliminate the high costs of male management and commissions.

Is it any surprise given that woman have a long history of being far
stronger than men?



Good post, old bean, I enjoyed reading it.
Day Brown...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:56 am
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tHe_PC_JeLLy BeAn!! wrote:
Quote:
Good post, old bean, I enjoyed reading it.
Thanx, I've been lucky. Mostly, my points were to the neohippies I

see showing up in my neck of Ozark woods.

I was lucky to be born on a farm in 1939, when there were still
draft horses in the barn; and while I never did get to work them,
they were worth more than I was and knew a lot more about farming,
I did get to see the transition to tractors.

There's a lot to be said for having both today; if the oil thing
gets straightened out, use tractors for most things. But there are
some tasks, like running a sicklebar, that are a noisy high stress
hassle with a tractor and a quiet easy time with a team.

And while I remember disputes on the farm as you do, I recall much
more time, if less passion, in communal meetings. The anthropology
video I've seen has been in the range between them. Whatever group
it is, issues can run on in meetings, and then at odd moments ever
after without resolution. Which was the advantage of the shaman or
witch having the last word rather than democracy. Altho, I clearly
recall one anthro report on an Inuit Shaman who went mad, with the
result his draconian policy got people killed. The Anthropologist
knew what was going on, but like Cassandra, could only watch.

I hsve some hope that we can use this message format before trying
to setup a community, set up a communications network, forum, etc,
first, to try to hash out issues like this before trying to do it
in long face to face meetings with the emotions that arise.

unlike our ancestors, we werent born and raised in the village, so
we need to be taught, but we also have the opportunity to bring to
bear new technologies and insights villagers lacked. This raises the
level of complexity an order or two. So, I dont have a lotta
confidence we can touch all the bases in venues like this, but I just
dunno what else to try.
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Day Brown...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:00 pm
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Mike Russell wrote:
Quote:
That was sterling, Day. Thanks.
Welcome. I can only hope there is time for us to work out some

alternative social model before the corruption of the one we have
results in systemic collapse.

I dont think we can rely on the media for a true estimate of how
dangerous the situation is, and dont know where to get more true
and relevant data.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:44 am
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"Day Brown" <daybrown at (no spam) daybrown.org> wrote in message
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Quote:
Mike Russell wrote:
That was sterling, Day. Thanks.
Welcome. I can only hope there is time for us to work out some
alternative social model before the corruption of the one we have
results in systemic collapse.

I dont think we can rely on the media for a true estimate of how
dangerous the situation is, and dont know where to get more true
and relevant data.

Sage and very worrying words there.

If only more people had the time an effort to expend on those pressing
issues.
Day Brown...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:02 pm
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Polite discourse appreciated. A young couple just showed up with a truck
Full of all their stuff moving to my neck of Ozark woods from Pittsburg.
Some few are trying to lessen their risks from civil unrest in an urban
area and have a cleaner environment to raise their kids.

The vertical integration we already have going on started with an
interview out of state, arranging with an employer here, and using my
place as a base, taking them around to some of the houses we know of and
the neighbors they would acquire.

Like the good old boy network, but now its the women who know who to
know. And whereas before it was pretty much limited to finding the job,
now it includes the home, childcare, and social relationships outside
the nuclear family. Reconstructing the sense of clan.
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