The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
to defame numerous people in this NG.

gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

Here is the video again kids.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0

Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf

Joe Slack wrote:
Hello,

Why is fuel cell technology not employed in large scale industrial
applications such as replacing nuclear power plants?
What are the conceptual and technological problems with fuel cells that
prevent such useage? (cost, power output, size, availabability of
materials etc.)
Can anyone recommend good introductory books to fuel cell technology?

Thanks in advance.

Joe.

Sent via Deja.comhttp://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

The best multicycle power plants are approaching 60% efficiency.
The best fuel cells are approaching 50% efficiency.

Current unsolved fuel cell problems include membrane life and cost.

Fuel cell books appear athttp://www.tinaja.com/h2gas01.html

You are one sick dude. Get help. You need help desperately. Your ravings
about impossible physical and chemical violations of basic principles
shows you to be even more deluded than even Stanley Meyer was.

Here is the video again kids.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0

On May 15, 10:10 pm, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:
gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

Here is the video again kids.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf


This is your research Don Lancaster?

Properties of Water Electrolysis
(1) Electrolysis is best suited for on-demand apps where the value of
the generated hydrogen
greatly exceeds its energy value. Electrolysis is usually highly
wasteful and wildly
inappropriate when misapplied for bulk energy storage. It is virtually
never used
commercially for such purposes.
(2) Hydrogen produced by electrolysis is only an energy carrier. It is
incapable of adding net
BTU’s of new energy to the on-the-books economy. By no stretch of the
imagination can
terrestral hydrogen ever be considered nonpolluting.
(3) The net energy required to dissociate hydrogen is independent of
method.
(4) One electron needs added per hydrogen atom.
(5) Approximately two electron volts of energy are required.
(6) Because of a double integration, only the Fourier dc term of any
fancy current waveform
normally contributes significantly to electrolysis.
(7) An electrolysis cell is basically a highly nonlinear rectifier
that can convert portions of ac
input components into dc current terms that in turn produce a normal
dc electrolysis.
( Electrolysis can be up to one sixth endothermic at certain lower
generation levels. Thus,
"stays cool" operation can be normal and expected. Applying too much
voltage will cause
thermoneutral or exothermic results, thus reducing efficiency.
(9) Because of the hydrogen overvoltage of iron, use of stainless
steel electrode surfaces will
usually cut efficiency by one half or more. Efficient cells normally
require platinized
platinum electrodes.
(10) It is exceptionally difficult to accurately measure the power of
complex waveforms. The
usual problems are confusing average and rms measurements or not
knowing how to
properly deal with crest factors.
(11) It is exceptionally difficult to accurately measure how much of
the output gas stream is in
fact pure and dry STP hydrogen. The usual contaminants are water vapor
or oxygen.
Applying higher voltges to an electrolysis cell can produce dielectric
heating effects that
produce predominantly water vapor.
(12) Competent researchers in many different fields continue to verify
these observations in
thousands of ways day in and day out. The experiments have been
performed. Many
times over. Examples include EIS Electrochemical Impedance
Spectroscopy, EDM
machining, and Qprox proximity sensors. Plus my own careful studies.
(13) The key measure of the unburdened efficiency of an electrolysis
cell is the true watt hours
in compared to the net volume of dry STP pure hydrogen gas produced.
Claims made
without this carefully and independently reproduced measurement are
ludicrous and can
be dismissed outright.
(14) Because of a fundamental thermodynamic property called exergy,
the value of a kilowatt
hour of electricity is vastly higher than the value of a kilowatt hour
of stored hydrogen
energy. Thus, for bulk energy apps, electrolysis is exactly the same
as converting two
US Dollars into one Mexican peso.
and finally…
(15) Faraday’s Laws ain’t broke.

Seems to me you are willfully ignorant about things. The way you
repeat this stone age nonsense suggests you think the people in the
know do not know more then you but missed the basics. But Don never
build any fuel cell and he is talking about peoples lives work from
his armchair. It is thanks to ass fuckers like you we do-not have the
technology today Donny you liar scum. Your pathetic whining about
Faradays law and platinum anal probes tells us everything we need to
know about you.

Where you write: "gross and egregious fraud" and "loose grip on
reality"

There you become more of a fascist stalker then a researcher.

Don Lancaster is a Nazi

" Back to Stanley Meyer and friends. After the "gross and egregious
fraud" and "loose grip on reality" fraud trail and after Meyer's death
( blamed on an energy cartel hit rather than several someones who
just had their life savings stolen )."

Jep a Nazi pig with a fist fucker personality.

Go harass some one else now Donny.

You feel the need to bother me with your pathetic whining Don
Lancaster but I suggest you stop instantaneously.

Go rape your dog dude.

On Feb 4 2000, 10:00 am, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:
Joe Slack wrote:
Hello,
Why is fuel cell technology not employed in large scale industrial
applications such as replacing nuclear power plants?
What are the conceptual and technological problems with fuel cells that
prevent such useage? (cost, power output, size, availabability of
materials etc.)
Can anyone recommend good introductory books to fuel cell technology?
Thanks in advance.
Joe.
Sent via Deja.comhttp://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
The best multicycle power plants are approaching 60% efficiency.
The best fuel cells are approaching 50% efficiency.

Current unsolved fuel cell problems include membrane life and cost.

Fuel cell books appear athttp://www.tinaja.com/h2gas01.html


No body cares about your Ebay spam career Don Lancaster. I understand
this is your motivation for being the liar scum you are.

Your arguments look like this:

" Meyer proponents keep parroting "but you haven't done the
experiment". Well (a) the experiment is not in the least worth
doing, and (b) the experiment does get done many billions of
times daily without any credible exceptions whatsoever."

But you have 8000 posts about hydrogen Donny-boy so you are just liar
scum.

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=hydrogen&qt_s=Search&enc_author=OKIoug4AAADyV0kGgzXLh4f744aY5TL6

8000 times you say things like:

On Apr 4 2006, 8:21 am, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:
: ve been accused of ridiculing thehydrogeneconomy,
: but the simple fact is that thehydrogeneconomy is
: inherently self-ridiculing.

No you are the Nazi here Donny. The incredulous hate speecher who
didn't build a single cell after 8000 posts and 10 years of ranting
absolute truths about the subject. You are more then just a little bit
of an annoying cunt, it's actually your work to be one!

You are so clearly the scam here. The world is dieing and we are not
using the solutions thanks to Donny the mass murderer freelance liar
who has never seen a hydrogen cell in his whole fucking life but has
all the books you need on the subject.

That's what I think happened here Nazi boy.

You are one of the big murderers on this planet. The kind willing to
kill millions to earn 10 cent.

The type would would make effort trying to prevent others from
sharing. That's the kind of Nazi you are.

You are one of the big murderers on this planet. The kind willing to
kill millions to earn 10 cent.

The type would would make effort trying to prevent others from
sharing. That's the kind of Nazi you are.

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:31:02 -0700, gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
bla bla?

I think Mr Lancaster can talk for himself. Or are you his mouthpiece?

There where you thought I would be interested in a bunch of thought
policing fascists, that is where you make your insanity clear and obvious.

Now go and fuck your dog.

Hint: Your posts tell us a lot more about you than about Don L.

Bill Ward <bw... at (no spam) REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote innews:pan.2008.05.16.16.51.22.264348 at (no spam) REMOVETHISix.netcom.com:

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:31:02 -0700, gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

bla bla?

I think Mr Lancaster can talk for himself. Or are you his mouthpiece?

There where you thought I would be interested in a bunch of thought
policing fascists, that is where you make your insanity clear and
obvious.

Now go and fuck your dog.

Hint: Your posts tell us a lot more about you than about Don L.

Alas, such people are incapable of taking a hint. Or seeing the
irony of their own pronouncements.

Which is why I have a killfile, and use it. A lot. :/

--Damon

bla bla?

I think Mr Lancaster can talk for himself. Or are you his mouthpiece?

There where you thought I would be interested in a bunch of thought
policing fascists, that is where you make your insanity clear and obvious.

Now go and fuck your dog.

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:31:02 -0700, gdewilde at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

bla bla?

I think Mr Lancaster can talk for himself. Or are you his mouthpiece?

There where you thought I would be interested in a bunch of thought
policing fascists, that is where you make your insanity clear and
obvious.

Now go and fuck your dog.

Hint: Your posts tell us a lot more about you than about Don L.

bla bla?

Facist