An idea which once came to me was:

What if you could meter oxy-hydrogen (HHO) or hydrogen (H2) gas into
an auto or light truck gasoline engine for the first 5-15
minutes of operation, that is until the engine has reached its
regulated operating temperature?

True, this probably wouldn't be worthwhile in warmer parts of the USA, but
in the Snow and Rust Belt I think it's worth exploring.

And this is ***NOT*** one of those fraduloid "run your car on water"
propositions!

I don't propose to replace all the gasoline with HHO gas, only the
additional gas we normally have to add for cold running.
This way we don't get into trouble with detonation, accelerated thermal
wear to the exhaust valves, seats and piston crowns or excessive
nitrogen-oxides (NOx) production.


Potential benefits would be:
1) Lower emissions.
Cold running requires a richer fuel-air
mix, a good deal which goes out the tailpipe as raw hydrocarbon (HC)
and carbon monoxide until the catalyst lights-off.
With H2 or HHO enrichment, the normal-running gasoline fuel-air ratio
could be used.

2) Increased engine service life.
Rich, cold-running fuel-air mixtures
tend to wash lube oil off the last 1/2" (13mm) or so of piston travel,
increasing piston and piston-ring wear as well as cylinder 'taper' wear
which can only be corrected by reboring or resleeving.
These mixtures also cause lube oil dilution which can increase overall
engine wear and necessitates more frequent oil changes.

3) Increased gasoline mileage.

Now I can't help but think one could have an on-board electrolyzer which
could use the car's electrical output to generate HHO gas for this
purpose.

Opinions, anyone (assuming anyone still interested in hydrogen-energy
discussions is still here and not run off by the flood of right-tard vs.
left-tard partisan political posts)?

Enormously unlikely to be cost effective.
Few minutes of operation means forever amortization.

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf

An idea which once came to me was:

What if you could meter oxy-hydrogen (HHO)

What if you could meter oxy-hydrogen (HHO) or hydrogen (H2) gas into

radicalmoderate@attnn.com (RadicalModerate) wrote in

What if you could meter oxy-hydrogen (HHO) or hydrogen (H2) gas into

What is HHO?

Is it some sort of molecule, or is this just an incorrect form for
a gaseous mixture (of whatever ratio) of hydrogen (H2, always) and oxygen
(O2, always)?

I hope you're not trying to store any amount of this
explosively combustible gas inside any part of your vehicle.

The 'believers' who think there's an 'over unity' way of electrolysing
water apparently believe that they have produced some new atomic form
of hydrogen so they call the gas produced HHO.

This is because they're scientifically illiterate (amongst other bad
things) of course.

I hope you're not trying to store any amount of this
explosively combustible gas inside any part of your vehicle.

The believers don't worry about such niceties.

Don Lancaster <don@tinaja.com> wrote:

Enormously unlikely to be cost effective.
Few minutes of operation means forever amortization.

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf

Come on you can do better than that!

"Forever amortization"; which I interpret to mean for the cold-running
period, one has the one-time expense of the electrolyzer cell,
power supply, controls and plumbing.

And with newer vehicles (with OBDII) you'll have to play some serious
games with sensors to fool the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) into
thinking the engine is "warm", which is probably illegal for a commercial
mechanic to do and in Big Government states may be illegal for the car
owner to do.

Remember I suggest this for cold parts of the world.
Out your way (Florida) this probably wouldn't be worthwhile.


There is no such thing as a "one time expense".

...has the one-time expense of the electrolyzer cell...

radicalmoderate at (no spam) attnn.com (RadicalModerate) wrote in
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What if you could meter oxy-hydrogen (HHO) or hydrogen (H2) gas into

What is HHO?

Is it some sort of molecule, or is this just an incorrect form for
a gaseous mixture (of whatever ratio) of hydrogen (H2, always) and oxygen
(O2, always)? I hope you're not trying to store any amount of this
explosively combustible gas inside any part of your vehicle.

I did see a previous post where someone knew about the use compressed
natural (CNG) gas as a starting aid for propane powered vehicles in
very low temperatures; I think one could use CNG or better CNG/H2
blend for that first 15 minutes although H2 would yield lower HC
emissions.

Who was it, Hanson?, that learned about "Brown's Gas" the hard way?
Wonder where he's at these daze?

--Damon