the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which one is
forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to disadvantage,
with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested in evocative
analogies, phrases or words in English or other languages which may
illuminate the concept more broadly apart from the chessboard.
Because in the real world, a beset individual would choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.

In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from engram
to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On 17 mai, 08:35, "Edward  Hennessey"





halozzyzxhaloMINUS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which one is
forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to disadvantage,
with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested in evocative
analogies, phrases or words in English or other languages which may
illuminate the concept more broadly apart from the chessboard.
Because in the real world, a beset individual would choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.

In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from engram
to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Though compulsion is not really involved, "from the frying pan into
the fire" springs to mind.- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -

- Afficher le texte des messages précédents -

the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which one is
forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to disadvantage,
with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested in evocative
analogies, phrases or words in English or other languages which may
illuminate the concept more broadly apart from the chessboard.
Because in the real world, a beset individual would choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.

In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from engram
to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On 17 mai, 08:35, "Edward  Hennessey"





halozzyzxhaloMINUS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which one is
forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to disadvantage,
with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested in evocative
analogies, phrases or words in English or other languages which may
illuminate the concept more broadly apart from the chessboard.
Because in the real world, a beset individual would choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.

In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from engram
to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

I can't think of one single phrase that renders both the notions of
coercion and self-destruction as does "zugzwang".

For the former, I'd suggest (to be) "cornered" or "deadlocked", and
for the latter maybe sthg along the line of "to write o.s. off",
"scupper o.s.", "scuttle o.s.", etc.- Hide quoted text

definition is "désavantage qui consiste
dans le seul fait de devoir jouer" or "disadvantage
which consists only in the fact to have to play".
I like the definition. I understand also Zugzwang in this sense and

On May 17, 11:14 am, traddict... at (no spam) hotmail.fr wrote:





On 17 mai, 08:35, "Edward  Hennessey"

halozzyzxhaloMINUS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which one is
forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to disadvantage,
with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested in evocative
analogies, phrases or words in English or other languages which may
illuminate the concept more broadly apart from the chessboard.
Because in the real world, a beset individual would choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.

In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from engram
to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

I can't think of one single phrase that renders both the notions of
coercion and self-destruction as does "zugzwang".

For the former, I'd suggest (to be) "cornered" or "deadlocked", and
for the latter maybe sthg along the line of "to write o.s. off",
"scupper o.s.", "scuttle o.s.", etc.- Hide quoted text

Compulsory suicide- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -

- Afficher le texte des messages précédents -

On 17 mai, 09:20, Peter Wells <pwells... at (no spam) wanadoo.fr> wrote:
On 17 mai, 08:35, "Edward Hennessey"





halozzyzxhaloMINUS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which one is
forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to disadvantage,
with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested in evocative
analogies, phrases or words in English or other languages which may
illuminate the concept more broadly apart from the chessboard.
Because in the real world, a beset individual would choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.
In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from engram
to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
Though compulsion is not really involved, "from the frying pan into
the fire" springs to mind.- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -

- Afficher le texte des messages précédents -


Another one, involving coercion: "walking the plank".

I'm not certain if eitehr these is appropriate. The idea of "Zugzwang"
is that one is forced to make a particular move or one of a set of
moves, all of which are to one's disadvantage.

I can't think of a English term that conveys exactly this sense - which
is perhaps why this German term has been adopted in chess.

the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which one is
forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to disadvantage,
with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested in evocative
analogies, phrases or words in English or other languages which may
illuminate the concept more broadly apart from the chessboard.
Because in the real world, a beset individual would choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.

In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from engram
to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.

Edward Hennessey wrote:
the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which
one is
forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to disadvantage,
with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested in evocative
analogies, phrases or words in English or other languages which may
illuminate the concept more broadly apart from the chessboard.
Because in the real world, a beset individual would choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.

In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from
engram
to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.

In French you the move is called also 'Zugzwang',
and the definition is "désavantage qui consiste
dans le seul fait de devoir joure" or "disadvantage
which consists only in the fact to have to play".

French is remarkably close to English !

Einde O'Callaghan wrote on 17 mei 2008 in sci.lang.translation:

I'm not certain if eitehr these is appropriate. The idea of "Zugzwang"
is that one is forced to make a particular move or one of a set of
moves, all of which are to one's disadvantage.

I can't think of a English term that conveys exactly this sense - which
is perhaps why this German term has been adopted in chess.


In Dutch it is "zetdwang".

The player is forced to do a for him desasterous move,
because no better move is allowed or available.

In English, perhaps you can get away with "being forced to move".

the SOED, zugzwang is used only in it's chess context in English

the chess term, can be generally understood as a situation in which
one is forced to move from the safety of a tenable position to
disadvantage, with a core emphasis on the compulsion. I am interested
in evocative analogies, phrases or words in English or other
languages which may illuminate the concept more broadly apart from
the chessboard. Because in the real world, a beset individual would
choose to preserve
a strong position in hope of future opportunities to improve it,
I'm thinking the hunting ground for fruitful ideas would be rule-bound
interactions. Games or contests obviously spring to mind. But others
may discover divergent frames of reference. Esoterica having the
power to enthrall indifference by explanation merits consideration.

In case "being in a pickle" tickles anyone else, that one went from
engram to DOA already. Any thoughts are welcome.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

I'm not certain if eitehr these is appropriate. The idea of "Zugzwang"
is that one is forced to make a particular move or one of a set of
moves, all of which are to one's disadvantage.

I can't think of a English term that conveys exactly this sense -