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John Larkin...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:02 pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Carlos-Gutierrez/photo//080511/ids_photos_wl/r4184494436.jpg/print;_ylt=AuI5z2iKlSEQhJKKpzsiJ7SaK8MA

John
D from BC...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:40 pm
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:02:18 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


clipped from photo caption
"
Cases of electrical storms breaking out directly above erupting
volcanos are well documented, although scientists differ on what
causes them. Picture taken May 2, 2008. "

I'll guess.. (My crappy physics is going to show Razz ..)

1) Ash friction against clean air creating a charge difference.
Kinda like rubbing fur on a plastic comb.
2) It's like creepage on circuit boards.. Just some crap creating a
path of least resistance between a large potential(sky to earth).
Ash air probably conducts better than clean air.
3) Can batteries exist in gas form?
Acidic gases and vaporized dissimilar metals? Nahh...
4) Charged ash..?? Would hot magna be releasing electrons and the ash
collects the electrons. The negatively charged ash rises and builds up
and then discharges to earth.
5) The ash turbulence somehow makes a large potential.
A little like when helicopter rotors that create an electrical charge.


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
John Popelish...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:07 pm
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D from BC wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:02:18 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Carlos-Gutierrez/photo//080511/ids_photos_wl/r4184494436.jpg/print;_ylt=AuI5z2iKlSEQhJKKpzsiJ7SaK8MA

John

clipped from photo caption
"
Cases of electrical storms breaking out directly above erupting
volcanos are well documented, although scientists differ on what
causes them. Picture taken May 2, 2008. "

I'll guess.. (My crappy physics is going to show Razz ..)

1) Ash friction against clean air creating a charge difference.
Kinda like rubbing fur on a plastic comb.
2) It's like creepage on circuit boards.. Just some crap creating a
path of least resistance between a large potential(sky to earth).
Ash air probably conducts better than clean air.
3) Can batteries exist in gas form?
Acidic gases and vaporized dissimilar metals? Nahh...
4) Charged ash..?? Would hot magna be releasing electrons and the ash
collects the electrons. The negatively charged ash rises and builds up
and then discharges to earth.
5) The ash turbulence somehow makes a large potential.
A little like when helicopter rotors that create an electrical charge.

Remember that the rising steam and other gases are rising
faster than the rock particles it is lofting. When the rock
particles bump and separate, I think electrons are released
into the passing gas stream (a triboelectric effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triboelectric_effect ). This
is taking place all the way up the bore of the volcano and
continuing to the top of the plume.

This charge pumping processes eventually produces a massive
charge separation that is restored by a blast of lightning
back down the rising column (with lots of filaments
collecting charge converging from many parts of the plume).
One of those photos shows the massive arc concentrated
down into the main jet at ground level.

It is a massive electrostatic generator.

--
Regards,

John Popelish
D from BC...
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:40 pm
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:47:24 -0500, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:

Quote:
Ah, there's a picture like that on the cover of my textbook. Lots more
red, it was a firey eruption photographed at night. Book is:
Halliday, Resnick, Walker, _Fundamentals of Physics_, 6th ed., John Wiley &
Sons, Inc. (2001)
Says cover photo: Tsuyoshi Nishiinoue / Orion Press
This photo is used as the basis of Chapter 23, which starts with:
"During the frequent eruptions of the Sakurajima volcano in Japan, multiple
electrical discharges (sparks) flash over the volcano's crater, lighting up
the sky and sending out sound waves that resemble thuunder. However, this
is not a lightning display in a thunderstorm, with electrified clouds of
water drops discharging to the ground. This is something different."

So here's the mountain,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakurajima
And I won't quote the entire explanation, but the important part given is:
"...Ash results when liquid water within the volcano, suddenly converted to
steam by the flow of hot lava, shatters rock, which is then burnt. The
liquid-to-steam conversion and the explosion of rock cause positive and
negative charges to seperate. Then, as the steam and ash are spewed into
the air, they form a cloud that contains pockets of positive charge and
pockets of negative charge."

So there ya go, D f BC ;-)

Tim

Ahh.. there's an idea for a romantic evening with the girlfriend.
Now I can take her to an active volcano at night and explain how the
lightning is formed.
If it's not her idea of romance, at least I'll be turned on.. :)


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
Ralph Barone...
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:07 pm
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In article <hjfi249aar5egqcljfshsqk0q22fin1kj2 at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
D from BC <myrealaddress at (no spam) comic.com> wrote:

Quote:
Lightning is rare in BC. When it does happen it can be spectacular.


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada

Head up near Prince George in early August and you should be able to
catch some pretty good shows.
D from BC...
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:07 am
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:07:07 GMT, Ralph Barone <invalid at (no spam) not_real.ca>
wrote:

Quote:
In article <hjfi249aar5egqcljfshsqk0q22fin1kj2 at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
D from BC <myrealaddress at (no spam) comic.com> wrote:

Lightning is rare in BC. When it does happen it can be spectacular.


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada

Head up near Prince George in early August and you should be able to
catch some pretty good shows.

Oops... I didn't mean all of BC.
I've not aware of what the lightning is like in other parts of BC.
My experience is just from the Lower Mainland and Fraser Valley where
most of people are living.

Example:
Vernon BC lightning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYz8j9Ntu60


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada
 
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