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Florian...
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:12 pm
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Proponents of the planetary growth model and other skeptics of Plate
Tectonics were quite well represented at the EGU, notably in the
"geodynamics" session:

<http://www.cosis.net/members/meetings/sessions/accepted_contributions.p
hp?p_id=303&s_id=5602>

People working with data from the Mediterranean region figure out that
Plate tectonics is outdated.

Abstracts of interest:

- CF, Pain : Fold Belts and Mountains: Collision of Plates or Collision
of Ideas?
- Lavecchia : The Mediterranean trapped mantle plume: a lateral arm of
the Atlantic plume?
- Scalera : From Mediterranean evidence to Global tectonics and
geodynamics: a new interpretation of the active margins
- Bell: Geochemistry of the Mediterranean mantle - geodynamic
implications
- Scalera : Wadati-Benioff zones
- Cwojdzinski : Supercontinents in Earth history what story do they
tell about?
- Cwojdzinski : Convection or mantle plumes?


--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D'abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer
...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:05 pm
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On 12 mai, 17:40, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
Quote:
In article
1igsqmf.vcshm1v40xhcN%auxotectonics_deletethis at (no spam) nachon_andthis.net>,

 auxotectonics_deletethis at (no spam) nachon_andthis.net (Florian) wrote:
Proponents of the planetary growth model and other skeptics of Plate
Tectonics were quite well represented at the EGU, notably in the
"geodynamics" session:

http://www.cosis.net/members/meetings/sessions/accepted_contributions.p
hp?p_id=303&s_id=5602

No, that's not  the Geodynamics session, it's the "Frontiers in Global
Tectonics - Nonconventional Ideas and Interpretations" session in the
Geodynamics group. In other words, they've accepted some papers that are
"out there" and put them in one session.

Here's the whole Geodynamics group:http://www.cosis.net/members/meetings/programme/session_programme.php...
d=49&p_id=303

People working with data from the Mediterranean region figure out that
Plate tectonics is outdated.

Abstracts of interest:

-  CF, Pain : Fold Belts and Mountains: Collision of Plates or Collision
of Ideas?

This article states "The north-south trending Rocky Mountain Plateau is
bounded by the Park Range on the east and the Front Range to the west,
suggesting divergence." He seems to be using alternate definitions of
East and West. While the article merely states that not all mountain
ranges were necessarily formed by plate tectonics, it does not mention
expanding earth.

- Lavecchia  : The Mediterranean trapped mantle plume: a lateral arm of
the Atlantic plume?

"The latter may be therefore interpreted as an independent microplate
developed in the last 35-40 Ma above a growing head plume." Uses
concepts of plate tectonics and does not mention expanding earth.

- Scalera : From Mediterranean evidence to Global tectonics and
geodynamics: a new interpretation of the active margins

Presents an alternative explanation to plate tectonics, subduction in
particular, but does not support expanding earth.

- Bell: Geochemistry of the Mediterranean mantle - geodynamic
implications

"Although a subduction-related tectonic setting has long been suggested,
many of the volcanic rocks in Italy are, in fact, similar to those
associated with intra-plate magmatism." Focuses on certain details of
the gelogy of Italy; does not support expanding earth

- Scalera : Wadati-Benioff zones

Disputes the common interpretation of mountain belts and arcs but the
abstract doesn't present what he thinks it is. Does not mention
expanding earth.

- Cwojdzinski : Supercontinents in Earth history  what story do they
tell about?

Paydirt at last. "On an expanding Earth, there was only one
supercontinent - Pangea - com-posed of continental lithosphere
surrounding the planet smaller than the present Earth. The break-up
process of the supercontinent occurred only once during Earth¹s history.
Earth expansion offers a reasonable solution to main plate-tectonic
paradox that the continents could have been repeatedly separated and
returned to the same unique con-figuration within succesive
supercontinents."> - Cwojdzinski : Convection or mantle plumes?

" The presented model of the expanding Earth¹s offers a reasonable
solution to these discrepancies and paradoxes."

So basically you've picked some abstracts with interesting titles and
jumped to a delusion about their content. It will be interesting to see
how many of the articles you mentioned ever get used as references for
subsequent work.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

You are correct dear Timberwood refuting Florian's 'arguments on the
basis of the abstracts concerned, and likewise I do not see these
people taking a clear cut position indeed in favour of Earth
Expansion ...further if they were even once, I do think they would
immediately lose all credit & credentials to do it again.
This said and in despite of your personal beliefs or faith
alternatively, EE is an incontrovertible reality and further still a
local case of Planetary Expansion. The mere discussion of it
considering all the evidence available & the poor deficient theories
opposed to it is simply a waste of time ( and so are by the way all
that clueless literature ) ... and on that ground Florian has the
correct perception of reality indeed.

There are many ways to tackle Geology, and certainly presently all is
related to some kind of consensus or imposed decision gained by vote
or majority agreement... Unfortunately the answer in this field, as
well as in other disciplines, cannot be reached by picking amongst
the infinity of subjects available one at random and writing a
thousand lines on it ... and other dudes doing likewise ! See, you a
very bright man with engineering experience, you know that
construction of the new engine by Herr Diesel was something which
although evident now was a complete impossibility at the time ... and
so the rotational field engine of Nicolas Tesla at the time all were
focused on Zenobe Gramme's DC invention.

Likewise & contrarily to the Common & so-called scientific approach
these are not the evident facts which allow progression towards
understanding, on the contrary these are the sparsely pearls of
evidence, the damned facts which do not fit into the usual mould, the
incoherences in accepted theories ! ... such then allowing the
superior visionary mind like Keely, Tesla, Diesel, Carrel 's etc to
perceive another masterpiece behind the crackled painting Do you see
what I am getting at ? . Synthesis is the key to another & higher
level of perception concerning Geology while the present mole like,
analytical approach is maintaining the damper on Humanity since 2
centuries !

With best regards

jpturcaud

~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~
Florian...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:58 pm
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Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:


Quote:
- CF, Pain : Fold Belts and Mountains: Collision of Plates or Collision
of Ideas?

This article states "The north-south trending Rocky Mountain Plateau is
bounded by the Park Range on the east and the Front Range to the west,
suggesting divergence." He seems to be using alternate definitions of
East and West. While the article merely states that not all mountain
ranges were necessarily formed by plate tectonics, it does not mention
expanding earth.

LOL! The second author is Cliff Ollier!
Quote:

- Lavecchia : The Mediterranean trapped mantle plume: a lateral arm of
the Atlantic plume?

"The latter may be therefore interpreted as an independent microplate
developed in the last 35-40 Ma above a growing head plume." Uses
concepts of plate tectonics and does not mention expanding earth.

LOL! Giusy Lavecchia is a friend of Ollier and Scalera!


Quote:
- Scalera : From Mediterranean evidence to Global tectonics and
geodynamics: a new interpretation of the active margins

Presents an alternative explanation to plate tectonics, subduction in
particular, but does not support expanding earth.

LOL! Scalera is the author of a paper entitled:
"The expanding Earth: a sound idea for the new millennium"

http://www.earth-prints.org/handle/2122/1152


Quote:
- Bell: Geochemistry of the Mediterranean mantle - geodynamic
implications
"Although a subduction-related tectonic setting has long been suggested,
many of the volcanic rocks in Italy are, in fact, similar to those
associated with intra-plate magmatism." Focuses on certain details of
the gelogy of Italy; does not support expanding earth

And last but not least, Bell collaborates with Lavecchia for a long
time. for example:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2004/2004EO500002.shtml

So long for your lame atempt. You only proved that you don't know what
you're talking about.

Tell me Tim, how do you manage to retrofit everything 360° around
Antarctica without reducing the size of the globe?:

http://nachon.free.fr/isochrons/antarctic2.png

You're in deeeeeep trouble. How do you like your crows?

--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D'abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer
...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:17 pm
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On 13 mai, 02:34, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:

big snip

Who cares anyway about your idiocies ... you may believe in Hollow
Earth for all I care, it's not such a difficult task for someone
believing in Glaciations, Accretions no doubt, Plates & Saucers
banging & wandering & crumpling to make mountains ranges & mid-ocean
ridges, and ocean spread & transform faults i tuti quanti !
Present Science is a complete schizophrenic lunacy and the slow
learning low-forehead Academic dudes are only able to tackle one
problem at the time ... hence the result we observe in all
disciplines !
.... by the way you are sterile aren't you ? not even able to find a
water well I believe ... So; how is it that you question those who
have that knowledge & experience ? Do you even ask yourself the most
simple and essential questions ?

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Bus ph + 33 6 50 17 14 64
Founder of the True Geology

~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~
The Man From Havana...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:57 pm
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On May 13, 11:17 am, sir.jpturc... at (no spam) neuf.fr wrote:
Quote:
On 13 mai, 02:34, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s... at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:

big snip

Who cares anyway about your idiocies ... you may believe in Hollow
Earth for all I care, it's not such a difficult task for someone
believing in Glaciations, Accretions no doubt,  Plates & Saucers
banging & wandering & crumpling to make mountains ranges & mid-ocean
ridges, and ocean spread & transform faults i tuti quanti !
Present Science is a complete schizophrenic lunacy and the slow
learning low-forehead Academic dudes are only able to tackle one
problem at the time ... hence the result we observe in all
disciplines !
... by the way you are sterile aren't you ? not even able to find a
water well I believe ... So; how is it that you question those who
have that knowledge &  experience ? Do you even ask yourself the most
simple and essential questions ?

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Bus ph + 33 6 50 17 14 64
Founder of the True Geology

~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~

idiot.
Nicolas Krebs...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:10 pm
Guest
Florian écrivit dans l'article
news:1iguk49.1wiv5kzbjpcfqN%auxotectonics_deletethis at (no spam) nachon_andthis.net

Quote:
Tell me Tim, how do you manage to retrofit everything 360° around
Antarctica without reducing the size of the globe?:

http://nachon.free.fr/isochrons/antarctic2.png

http://nachon.free.fr/GE/southpacific/southpole.gif is in your own web
site (see also news:fte3i8$al7$2 at (no spam) news.le-studio75.com
news:fv5c46$4ia$4 at (no spam) news.le-studio75.com ) !

Quote:
You're in deeeeeep trouble. How do you like your crows?

I suggest you to give your arguments on this subject, or to shut up.
--
(...) conquis toute la géologie. Toute ? Non ! Car quelques irréductibles
partisans de Samuel Carey résistent encore et toujours (...)
Timberwoof...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:34 pm
Guest
In article
<1iguk49.1wiv5kzbjpcfqN%auxotectonics_deletethis at (no spam) nachon_andthis.net>,
auxotectonics_deletethis at (no spam) nachon_andthis.net (Florian) wrote:

Quote:
Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam at (no spam) inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:


- CF, Pain : Fold Belts and Mountains: Collision of Plates or Collision
of Ideas?

This article states "The north-south trending Rocky Mountain Plateau is
bounded by the Park Range on the east and the Front Range to the west,
suggesting divergence." He seems to be using alternate definitions of
East and West. While the article merely states that not all mountain
ranges were necessarily formed by plate tectonics, it does not mention
expanding earth.

LOL! The second author is Cliff Ollier!

If he can't tell which side of the Rocky Mountains is the Front Range
and which side is the Park range, then he's not a very good authority.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Timberwoof...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:34 pm
Guest
In article
<4a45ca2b-940d-4cb1-8596-243853e01f9f at (no spam) m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
sir.jpturcaud at (no spam) neuf.fr wrote:

Quote:
There are many ways to tackle Geology,

And you, Sir, have managed to tackle Geology quite a lot. Under your
onslaught, much like one my friend the rugby player would inflict, one
would expect Geology to crumple like an orc under a boulder from
Isengard.

Quote:
and certainly presently all is
related to some kind of consensus or imposed decision gained by vote
or majority agreement...

Ah! You're referring to the secret Parliament of Geologists, of which my
father is a member, and he said he'd spank me if I ever revealed him.

Quote:
Unfortunately the answer in this field, as
well as in other disciplines, cannot be reached by picking amongst
the infinity of subjects available one at random and writing a
thousand lines on it ... and other dudes doing likewise !

So how come you do that? You pick and choose among your favorite
kook-science topics and then write thousands of lines on them all the
time.

Quote:
See, you a
very bright man with engineering experience,

Oh, you're just trying to butter me up.

Quote:
you know that
construction of the new engine by Herr Diesel was something which
although evident now was a complete impossibility at the time

You're free to come up with writings at the time which show that people
generally thought that what Diesel invented was impossible. That was the
age of steam, which was fairly well understood. It didn't take much of a
stretch to build somewhat similar things to harness the energy of
burning fuel. (Although the Wright Brothers, who didn't know steam
engines or IC engines very well, tried their hand and came up with a
nasty coughing clattering flaming dragon of a thing which could not be
called an internal combustion engine and managed to avoid having it
catch their airplane on fire.) In fact, Diesel built upon quite a lot of
previous work and some even doubt his patent claims.

Quote:
... and
so the rotational field engine of Nicolas Tesla at the time all were
focused on Zenobe Gramme's DC invention.

Electric generators and motors. Woohoo.

Quote:
Likewise & contrarily to the Common & so-called scientific approach
these are not the evident facts which allow progression towards
understanding, on the contrary these are the sparsely pearls of
evidence, the damned facts which do not fit into the usual mould, the
incoherences in accepted theories ! ... such then allowing the
superior visionary mind like Keely, Tesla, Diesel, Carrel 's etc to
perceive another masterpiece behind the crackled painting Do you see
what I am getting at ?

What you're getting at is that if you can pretend that people believed
certain false things in the past, and can pretend that some aspect of
today's scientific knowledge is false, then you can, with certainty,
pretend anything you want.

Like the business about the hollow earth being lined with transducers
that cause false readings in surface seismograms, for which you have no
evidence at all except that the evidence doesn't fit what you want to
believe.

Quote:
. Synthesis is the key to another & higher
level of perception concerning Geology while the present mole like,
analytical approach is maintaining the damper on Humanity since 2
centuries !

Hm. Plate Tectonics is only roughly 50 years old. It must be an amazing
theory for it to have held geology back for 200 years now.

Either that or you're just spewing nonsense.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
 
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