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Vladimir Bondarenko
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:38 am
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Hello computer algebra Buff the Earthling,

The Ultimate Battlefield is already almost in sight!

Defenestrate the crackpot, don't waste your precious time to the
bunk; instead, get involved into some of absolute value, that is
protection of our libery and eatables!

Be like the victorious Field Marshal Suvorov,

T r a i n h a r d, f i g h t e a s y!

Use your bean, don't let your resourceful little gray cells to
rust and slowdown, thus being critically vulnerable before the
formidable danger of eerie (striped!) Computers coming!

So, is there a Desperado Warrior the Simplifier to devise a set
of CAS commands to dwarf the sqrt/ln behemoth below my signature

?
Best wishes,

Vladimir Bondarenko

VM and GEMM architect
Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director

http://www.cybertester.com/ Cyber Tester, LLC
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sqrt(6)*sqrt(-sqrt(16*Pi^2*ln(35*sqrt(2)+20*sqrt(6)+28*sqrt(3)+\
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0*sqrt(2)+32395763207048357347710948248549506875943461525077222\
73751834468297053056*sqrt(3)+2290726384541754990282841578360115\
154299405761187724567354303143178465280*sqrt(6)+561111078245782\
2952710882234854607685560665660899509249345907606783927297)+230\
4*ln(2)^2*ln(11*sqrt(3)-19)^2+ln(2)*ln(200071119785579544910084\
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52-21427531469765285263614058238314319540132878612321796096*sqr\
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40737488355328))+2304*ln(sqrt(3)+1)^4-1152*ln(sqrt(3)+1)^2*(ln(\
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t(3))+4*ln(sqrt(3)+1)^2-ln(3)^2-ln(2)*ln(81)-4*ln(2)^2)+144*Pi^\
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))*(36*ln(sqrt(3)+1)^2-9*ln(3)^2-ln(2)*ln(225283995449391744118\
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*ln(24)*ln(sqrt(3)-1)^3+128*ln(sqrt(3)-1)^2*(36*ln(sqrt(3)+1)^2\
+9*ln(3)^2+ln(2)*ln(22528399544939174411840147874772641)+126*ln\
(2)^2+32*Pi^2)-ln(371135731864144945509221972155845202299656872\
91643953152-214275314697652852636140582383143195401328786123217\
96096*sqrt(3))*(36*ln(24)*ln(sqrt(3)+1)^2-9*ln(3)^3-ln(92233720\
36854775808)*ln(3)^2+ln(43046721)*(Pi^2-9*ln(2)^2)-108*ln(2)^3+\
Pi^2*ln(140737488355328))+2304*ln(sqrt(3)+1)^4-1152*ln(sqrt(3)+\
1)^2*(ln(3)^2+ln(2)*ln(81)+4*ln(2)^2)+144*ln(3)^4+ln(6117232749\
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476387162480260351565199811304570856992723746254623316883454326\
4678118409417047146496)*ln(3)^3+128*ln(3)^2*(27*ln(2)^2+2*Pi^2)\
+ln(2)*ln(1853020188851841)*(144*ln(2)^2+47*Pi^2)+2304*ln(2)^4+\
2209*Pi^2*ln(2)^2)-ln(sqrt(3)-1)*ln(184141500186093409798577801\
76192794614937155140477097961418915840*sqrt(3)+3189424341042676\
5887095696479794582075409923449492025397756297216)-48*ln(sqrt(3\
)-1)^2+ln(3)*ln(447127149604363042816-258148980186069073920*sqr\
t(3))-48*ln(sqrt(3)+1)^2+12*ln(3)^2+48*ln(2)^2)/12

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SzH
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:33 am
Guest
On May 3, 2:38 pm, Vladimir Bondarenko <v...@cybertester.com> wrote:
Quote:

sqrt(6)*sqrt(-sqrt(16*Pi^2*ln(35*sqrt(2)+20*sqrt(6)+28*sqrt(3)+\
49)^2-Pi^2*ln(35*sqrt(2)+20*sqrt(6)+28*sqrt(3)+49)*ln(396765448\
426488128196569878931065822057221259513519136212148408848608336\
0*sqrt(2)+32395763207048357347710948248549506875943461525077222\
73751834468297053056*sqrt(3)+2290726384541754990282841578360115\
154299405761187724567354303143178465280*sqrt(6)+561111078245782\
2952710882234854607685560665660899509249345907606783927297)+230\
4*ln(2)^2*ln(11*sqrt(3)-19)^2+ln(2)*ln(200071119785579544910084\
679067448992965917750668851259018031547026927677929478187316764\
465800040322384788618952939725350270157091869997725395285138289\
310121520224058994302019113839036501044822710556426943634858062\
954536859814093396366408974088715447801721663994526633550445591\
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250038513322199796618177079227516927285816304003154318029955254\
474554132174784969207424065029664089187706798735060560846982553\
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971782594429733165197130646554286917414674029805041002396938795\
902332345493776270826600705009106176810983417205142775522638541\
306789360448649154378069020397459242140037693857463289789426251\
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At least you could try to post something human readable ... Both of
Mathematica's N[] and Simplify[] return Indeterminate, so I suspect
that something's wrong with your expression.
SzH
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:45 am
Guest
On May 3, 3:33 pm, SzH <szhor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:

At least you could try to post something human readable ... Both of
Mathematica's N[] and Simplify[] return Indeterminate, so I suspect
that something's wrong with your expression.

Actually I was wrong. It's only N that returns Indeterminate, and
that's because it uses a low precision by default. Simplify does not
give Indeterminate.
SzH
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:50 am
Guest
On May 3, 3:45 pm, SzH <szhor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 3, 3:33 pm, SzH <szhor...@gmail.com> wrote:



At least you could try to post something human readable ... Both of
Mathematica's N[] and Simplify[] return Indeterminate, so I suspect
that something's wrong with your expression.

Actually I was wrong. It's only N that returns Indeterminate, and
that's because it uses a low precision by default. Simplify does not
give Indeterminate.

The answer is ln 3
Vladimir Bondarenko...
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:27 pm
Guest
A tasty question! :)

JB> Very juicy, very delicious!

Jum-jum-jum ;)

JB> Is this the same Suvorov that
JB> "Pheasant Suvorov" is named after?

Precisely! Your conjecture is absolutely right.

There is a link in Russian titled Russian and French
culinary friendship

http://www.allcafe.info/readingroom/kitchen/french/404/

where Pheasant à la Suvorov and Ptarmigan à la Suvorov
are mentioned.

There is also Pottage à la Suvorov (pike-perch, sturgeon,
salmon, mushrooms, tomatoes)

On a personal note, Cyber Tester will try to do all
we can to make computer algebra systems as palatable
as the Pheasant à la Suvorov you like!

Cheers,

Vladimir Bondarenko

VM and GEMM architect
Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director

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On May 3, 10:30 pm, Jeff Barnett <jbb... at (no spam) ca.rr.com> wrote:
Quote:
Vladimir Bondarenko wrote:
Hello computer algebra Buff the Earthling,

The Ultimate Battlefield is already almost in sight!

Defenestrate the crackpot, don't waste your precious time to the
bunk; instead, get involved into some of absolute value, that is
protection of our libery and eatables!

Be like the victorious Field Marshal Suvorov,

VB, an off topic question for you: Is this the same Suvorov that
"Pheasant Suvorov" is named after? The Pheasant is cooked in a pastry
shell with pate inside. Very juicy, very delicious! Perhaps you can help
me clarify my eating, math, and fighting habits all at one time Smile .

-- Jeff Barnett
Jeff Barnett...
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:30 am
Guest
Vladimir Bondarenko wrote:
Quote:
Hello computer algebra Buff the Earthling,

The Ultimate Battlefield is already almost in sight!

Defenestrate the crackpot, don't waste your precious time to the
bunk; instead, get involved into some of absolute value, that is
protection of our libery and eatables!

Be like the victorious Field Marshal Suvorov,

VB, an off topic question for you: Is this the same Suvorov that

"Pheasant Suvorov" is named after? The Pheasant is cooked in a pastry
shell with pate inside. Very juicy, very delicious! Perhaps you can help
me clarify my eating, math, and fighting habits all at one time Smile .

-- Jeff Barnett
Mehran Basti...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:43 pm
Guest
http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=1740106&tstart=0
 
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