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| Gary L. Woodruff... |
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:40 am |
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howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data
sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks, Gary |
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:40 am |
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| Gary L. Woodruff... |
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:16 am |
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Quote: News01 wrote:
Try here.....Paul
http://www.ciconelectronics.com/2sd829.html
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary L. Woodruff" <woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.components
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:40 AM
Subject: Need help locating Transistor or equiv
howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks, Gary
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I thought everyone should be aware that this site is a scam. |
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| Dave Platt... |
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:44 pm |
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Quote: howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data
sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
As this is a somewhat unusual package, I suspect you're going to find
it difficult to find a direct drop-in replacement.
Depending on the circuit application, you might be able to substitute
a more modern sort of part. It looks as if the 2SD829 is a power
Darlington, intended for use as a saturated switch. It might be
possible to adapt the circuit to use something like an IGBT, and use a
different package which can be mounted on the existing heat-sink.
Take a look at the International Rectifier IGBTs (they're page 992 and
993 in the last-year's Digi-Key catalog I have here).
There appear to be some tradeoffs in the selection. The 250-volt
parts in TO-247 packages have Vcd(sat) values similar to those of the
2SD829, and much higher pulse- and continuous-current and
power-dissipation ratings, but don't have an internal reverse diode.
The parts that do have an internal reverse diode, and current and
power ratings which match or exceed those of the 2SD829, all seem to
have a slightly higher Vce(sat)... but as these are at a higher
current level, this may not be an issue.
As one possible example: the IRG4PC40 is a 600-volt part, in a
TO-247AC package, with Vce(sat) maximum of 1.85 volts, 49-amp
continuous current rating at 25 degrees C, pulse current IC(max) of
200 amps, 160-watt maximum power dissipation, and it has an internal
reverse diode. You *might* need an external gate-pulldown resistor,
or might not, depending in the circuit driving it (and might need a
series resistor of a few ohms on the gate to avoid snivets, if the
existing bipolar-drive base resistor won't serve). $5.74 in onesies
in last year's catalog (the newer ROHS equivalent part IRG4PC40PBF
is a couple of bucks more).
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| Gary L. Woodruff... |
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:48 pm |
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Dave Platt wrote:
Quote: howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data
sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
As this is a somewhat unusual package, I suspect you're going to find
it difficult to find a direct drop-in replacement.
Depending on the circuit application, you might be able to substitute
a more modern sort of part. It looks as if the 2SD829 is a power
Darlington, intended for use as a saturated switch. It might be
possible to adapt the circuit to use something like an IGBT, and use a
different package which can be mounted on the existing heat-sink.
Take a look at the International Rectifier IGBTs (they're page 992 and
993 in the last-year's Digi-Key catalog I have here).
There appear to be some tradeoffs in the selection. The 250-volt
parts in TO-247 packages have Vcd(sat) values similar to those of the
2SD829, and much higher pulse- and continuous-current and
power-dissipation ratings, but don't have an internal reverse diode.
The parts that do have an internal reverse diode, and current and
power ratings which match or exceed those of the 2SD829, all seem to
have a slightly higher Vce(sat)... but as these are at a higher
current level, this may not be an issue.
As one possible example: the IRG4PC40 is a 600-volt part, in a
TO-247AC package, with Vce(sat) maximum of 1.85 volts, 49-amp
continuous current rating at 25 degrees C, pulse current IC(max) of
200 amps, 160-watt maximum power dissipation, and it has an internal
reverse diode. You *might* need an external gate-pulldown resistor,
or might not, depending in the circuit driving it (and might need a
series resistor of a few ohms on the gate to avoid snivets, if the
existing bipolar-drive base resistor won't serve). $5.74 in onesies
in last year's catalog (the newer ROHS equivalent part IRG4PC40PBF
is a couple of bucks more).
Thanks for the info. I only have a small pcb with a few diodes and
resistors, a couple of relays, and the transistor. It is a forklift
circuit so I believe it is 24 volt. I have plenty of space on the board
to mount any type package. I would rather have a closer match for the
circuit but in a different package, if possible. I really appreciate
your help.
thanks, Gary |
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| Dave Platt... |
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:27 pm |
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In article <kOGYj.8$yV1.2 at (no spam) fe127.usenetserver.com>,
Gary L. Woodruff <woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
Quote: Thanks for the info. I only have a small pcb with a few diodes and
resistors, a couple of relays, and the transistor. It is a forklift
circuit so I believe it is 24 volt. I have plenty of space on the board
to mount any type package. I would rather have a closer match for the
circuit but in a different package, if possible. I really appreciate
your help.
Hmmm. Well, high-power Darlingtons seem to have fallen out of favor
with industry - I imagine that power MOSFETs and IGBTs have proven
superior - both are easier to drive, and MOSFETs are faster to switch.
I did a search at Digi-Key for NPN Darlingtons, 20 amps or above, in
most of the common power packages. The only one they list in a TO-247
plastic package is the ST Microelectronics SGSD100, which is a
non-stock item with a big minimum order.
They do have two stock parts by ON Semiconductor - the MJ11016G and
MJ11032G (120-volt parts, 30 and 50 amperes respectively). These are
both in the classic TO-3 metal package. You'd need to add your own
collector/emitter flyback diode.
I just don't think you're going to have much luck finding a high-power
Darlington with a built-in diode these days, unless you find somebody
who actually happens to have a few New Old Stock parts.
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| Gary L. Woodruff... |
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:46 am |
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Dave Platt wrote:
Quote: In article <kOGYj.8$yV1.2 at (no spam) fe127.usenetserver.com>,
Gary L. Woodruff <woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
Thanks for the info. I only have a small pcb with a few diodes and
resistors, a couple of relays, and the transistor. It is a forklift
circuit so I believe it is 24 volt. I have plenty of space on the board
to mount any type package. I would rather have a closer match for the
circuit but in a different package, if possible. I really appreciate
your help.
Hmmm. Well, high-power Darlingtons seem to have fallen out of favor
with industry - I imagine that power MOSFETs and IGBTs have proven
superior - both are easier to drive, and MOSFETs are faster to switch.
I did a search at Digi-Key for NPN Darlingtons, 20 amps or above, in
most of the common power packages. The only one they list in a TO-247
plastic package is the ST Microelectronics SGSD100, which is a
non-stock item with a big minimum order.
They do have two stock parts by ON Semiconductor - the MJ11016G and
MJ11032G (120-volt parts, 30 and 50 amperes respectively). These are
both in the classic TO-3 metal package. You'd need to add your own
collector/emitter flyback diode.
I just don't think you're going to have much luck finding a high-power
Darlington with a built-in diode these days, unless you find somebody
who actually happens to have a few New Old Stock parts.
Dave, Thanks for the help. I will try the mj11032g for the higher
current. When I look at the data sheet I do see a diode E to C in the
schem. I have limited experience replacing with something that is not an
exact equiv. I assume a Schottky diode, but what rating, etc? Any
knowledge you could impart would be greatly appreciated.
thanks again,
Gary |
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| legg... |
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:51 am |
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On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:40:22 -0400, "Gary L. Woodruff"
<woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
Quote: howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data
sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks, Gary
Availability is the issue for a 'common' replacement.
A linear part in the same package is NTE92. Although also referred to
as a high speed switch, it has no internal base turn-off diode.
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/10to99/pdf/nte92.pdf
If a TO3 package is practical you might try an NTE97/98/99
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/10to99/pdf/nte97.pdf
RL |
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| legg... |
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:03 am |
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On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:40:22 -0400, "Gary L. Woodruff"
<woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
Quote: howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data
sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
You could probably retrofit a TO218 or TO247 body size into place.
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/200to299/pdf/nte256.pdf
Pinout is the same - youd have to come up with a pressure bar and
longer mounting screws.
RL |
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| Kevin G. Rhoads... |
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:23 am |
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Quote: Hmmm. Well, high-power Darlingtons seem to have fallen out of favor
with industry -
There is nothing magic about a Darlington in one case. A common
power bipolar with one or more medium and small signal bipolars
and *voila* a power Darlington. |
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| Gary L. Woodruff... |
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:27 pm |
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legg wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:40:22 -0400, "Gary L. Woodruff"
woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data
sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
You could probably retrofit a TO218 or TO247 body size into place.
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/200to299/pdf/nte256.pdf
Pinout is the same - youd have to come up with a pressure bar and
longer mounting screws.
RL
Howdy, thanks for the reply. I believe this looks like the most direct
replacement for the 2SD829. Correct me if i am wrong but it does not
need any other modifications except to mount and dissipate heat?
thanks, Gary |
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| Dave Platt... |
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:28 pm |
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In article <LAWYj.58$mz3.55 at (no spam) fe101.usenetserver.com>,
Gary L. Woodruff <woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
Quote: Dave, Thanks for the help. I will try the mj11032g for the higher
current. When I look at the data sheet I do see a diode E to C in the
schem. I have limited experience replacing with something that is not an
exact equiv. I assume a Schottky diode, but what rating, etc? Any
knowledge you could impart would be greatly appreciated.
You need a diode/rectifier which will stand off the maximum battery
voltage (with safety margin), and which can handle current peaks of up
to the maximum amount of current drawn by the motor (with the worst
case probably being when the motor is just starting up or is stalled).
The *average* current which the diode will have to handle, will be
much lower, since it will conduct only during the moment when the
transistor switches off and the diode provides a current-flow path for
the energy stored in the motor inductance.
I'd consider something like an IR HexFred diode - maybe the
Digikey-part-number HFA30TA60CPBF or similar - it'll handle 30 amperes
average and is in an easy-to-mount TO-220AB package.
You might be able to get away with an ordinary power rectifier such as
a Crydom CRNA25-400 (25 amps, 400 volts), but since these are going to
switch on and off more slowly than a HexFred or Schottky you'd
probably see higher peak reverse voltages across the transistor.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:26 pm |
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:27:46 -0400, "Gary L. Woodruff"
<woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
Quote: legg wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:40:22 -0400, "Gary L. Woodruff"
woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data
sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
You could probably retrofit a TO218 or TO247 body size into place.
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/200to299/pdf/nte256.pdf
Pinout is the same - youd have to come up with a pressure bar and
longer mounting screws.
RL
Howdy, thanks for the reply. I believe this looks like the most direct
replacement for the 2SD829. Correct me if i am wrong but it does not
need any other modifications except to mount and dissipate heat?
As a high voltage part, it's saturation voltage when conducting will
be higher, and it's gain is also considerably lower, which may stress
the drive circuit. A lower voltage darlington should work better.
The NTE270 actually doesn't have better saturation and is also missing
the damper diode, but the gain is improved
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/200to299/pdf/nte270.pdf
What is being switched? If it's not driving a magnetic part in a
bridge, the damper may not actually be needed.
Have you checked with the fork lift distributor for replacement parts?
RL |
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| Gary L. Woodruff... |
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:00 am |
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legg wrote:
Quote: On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:27:46 -0400, "Gary L. Woodruff"
woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
legg wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:40:22 -0400, "Gary L. Woodruff"
woodruffrepair at (no spam) frontiernet.net> wrote:
howdy all,
I am trying to replace a transistor 2SD829. Here is a link to a data
sheet. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/pdf/3937549.pdf
I need the replacements asap so common replacement would be great.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
You could probably retrofit a TO218 or TO247 body size into place.
http://www.nteinc.com/specs/200to299/pdf/nte256.pdf
Pinout is the same - youd have to come up with a pressure bar and
longer mounting screws.
RL
Howdy, thanks for the reply. I believe this looks like the most direct
replacement for the 2SD829. Correct me if i am wrong but it does not
need any other modifications except to mount and dissipate heat?
Taking a look at my own usual supplier, the closest thing
electrically, and in stock from Digikey, is the MJH11017.
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=MJH11022GOS-ND
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MJH11017-D.PDF
RL
I missed the missing diode in the nte256! I have received a few
recommendations and am starting to become confused. If I use the
MJH11017 will I need to add an additional diode to the circuit? If I do,
could someone detail where in the circuit I would add it?
Thanks, Gary |
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