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Marc Verhaegen...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:57 pm
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Henry and Piperno
Plants in Neanderthal Diet:
Plant Microfossil Evidence From the Dental Calculus of Shanidar III

Relatively little is known about the diet of Neanderthals and contemporary
modern humans, and what is known is drawn largely from indirect measures of
diet such as faunal remains and isotope signatures. Despite these piecemeal
data, many theories on the diets of Neanderthal and modern human groups have
been formulated, including ideas that Neanderthals focused solely on meat
from large game while modern humans had a more varied diet. Plant
microfossil analysis, a technique relatively underused in paleoanthropology,
has the potential to answer many questions about the plant portion of diets
of these ancient populations. Plant microfossils such as starches and
phytoliths can be recovered from from a variety of archaeological contexts,
and are identifiable to plant family, genus and even species. A few previous
studies of plant microfossils from Neanderthal sites in the Near East have
suggested that they may have used plants extensively, and may have even
consumed grains (Albert, et al.1999, 2000; Henry et al.1996, Madella et
al.2002). However, these studies examined only microfossils trapped in
soils, which may be subject to contamination, or may not represent dietary
use of the plants. Using methods described at last yearʹs Paleoanthropology
Society Meetings (Henry, Piperno & Brooks 2007), we have examined plant
microfossils trapped in the dental calculus of Shanidar III, a Neanderthal
fossil dating to around 35kya from Shanidar Cave, Iraq. Abundant plant
material was found on these teeth, including both starches and phytoliths.
Preliminary identification of the starches suggest this individual was
consuming grass seeds. This is the first direct evidence of dietary use of
plants by Neanderthals, and the discovery of starch grains from grasses
indicates these staples of modern human diet were consumed well before the
origins of agriculture.
caldervangogh at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:29 pm
Guest
On May 7, 7:57 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae... at (no spam) skynet.be> wrote:
Quote:
Henry and Piperno
Plants in Neanderthal Diet:
Plant Microfossil Evidence From the Dental Calculus of Shanidar III

Relatively little is known about the diet of Neanderthals and contemporary
modern humans, and what is known is drawn largely from indirect measures of
diet such as faunal remains and isotope signatures. Despite these piecemeal
data, many theories on the diets of Neanderthal and modern human groups have
been formulated, including ideas that Neanderthals focused solely on meat
from large game while modern humans had a more varied diet. Plant
microfossil analysis, a technique relatively underused in paleoanthropology,
has the potential to answer many questions about the plant portion of diets
of these ancient populations. Plant microfossils such as starches and
phytoliths can be recovered from from a variety of archaeological contexts,
and are identifiable to plant family, genus and even species. A few previous
studies of plant microfossils from Neanderthal sites in the Near East have
suggested that they may have used plants extensively, and may have even
consumed grains (Albert, et al.1999, 2000; Henry et al.1996, Madella et
al.2002). However, these studies examined only microfossils trapped in
soils, which may be subject to contamination, or may not represent dietary
use of the plants. Using methods described at last yearʹs Paleoanthropology
Society Meetings (Henry, Piperno & Brooks 2007), we have examined plant
microfossils trapped in the dental calculus of Shanidar III, a Neanderthal
fossil dating to around 35kya from Shanidar Cave, Iraq. Abundant plant
material was found on these teeth, including both starches and phytoliths.
Preliminary identification of the starches suggest this individual was
consuming grass seeds. This is the first direct evidence of dietary use of
plants by Neanderthals, and the discovery of starch grains from grasses
indicates these staples of modern human diet were consumed well before the
origins of agriculture.

Excellent abstract. I have always thought that the beginnings of
domestication precedes the Agriculture revolution by a long way. This
would suggest that eating grasses precedes the Hn/hss split some 600
kya.

Actually, it is only logical to think that, because an ability/
cultural adaptation must have it's beginning long before it is in
common use.

Combined with cave paintings in the 20-40 kya era, can we now assume
that humans were attempting to domestic a variety of plants and
animals before common use explodes in about 5-10 kya? (It is known
that most of the meat-evidence associated with cave paintings is from
reindeer; the art itself is of a lot of different animals.)

regards
calder
Lee Olsen...
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:35 am
Guest
On May 9, 8:38 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae... at (no spam) skynet.be> wrote:

Quote:
Rice ("water grass") is still the most important food of humans.

So now this wetloon thinks humans were eating rice at Gona?

"However, the tortoise bones and ostrich-egg fragments are more
closely associated with the
lithic artifacts; their systematic presents in both Lokalalie sites
may show a possible hominid
collecting strategy (Roche 1999)."

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/anthro2003/origins/hominid_journey/pottsclimate.html

"Our own genus, Homo, was a founding member of the new savanna biota.
Stone toolmaking and the dental machinery of the robust australopiths
evolved as adaptations oriented to the resources of the drying,
opening landscape, evolutionary events that centered around the global
climatic change 2.4 to 2.5 million years ago.
The turnover-pulse idea proposes, first, that global temperature fell
precipitously. Second, that this event caused the spread of arid
grasslands within the savanna patchwork of Africa. And, third, that
the growth of these grasslands prompted synchronized change in
hominids and other animal populations. The regional division of
populations led new species to arise, while the force of natural
selection caused new adaptations to evolve. The hominids were
converted to live in open terrain."

http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2001/december/hominids.htm
None of the hominids analysed so far ate a diet like that of the
modern chimpanzee, gorilla, or even orangutan, all of which eat nearly
100% C3 foods. This is not to say that they did not eat fruits and
leaves - they most probably did. But they also ate quantities of
actual grasses, or animals that ate the grasses, or both. Grass itself
is difficult to process and to extract the nutrients (unless one is
well-equipped to do so, like a cow), so it's difficult to visualise
how such a large ''grass" signature could occur unless the hominids
ate some animal foods. C4 -consuming invertebrate and vertebrate
animals were abundant and easily collected by hominids. Raymond Dart
was on the right track all those years ago, even if his environmental
scenario was not quite right!

M Dominguez-Rodrigo et al.
New estimates of tooth mark and percussion mark frequencies at the FLK
Zinj site
J Hum Evol. 2005 Dec 30
"Traditional interpretations of hominid carcass acquisition strategies
revolve around the debate over whether early hominids hunted or
scavenged. A popular version of the scavenging scenario is the
carnivore-hominid-carnivore hypothesis, which argues that hominids
acquired animal resources primarily through passive opportunistic
scavenging from felid-defleshed carcasses. Its main empirical support
comes from the analysis of tooth mark frequency and distribution at
the FLK Zinj site reported by Blumenschine (Blumenschine, 1995, J.
Hum. Evol. 29, 21-51), in which it was shown that long bone mid-shafts
exhibited a high frequency of tooth marks, only explainable if felids
had preceded hominids in carcass defleshing. The present work shows
that previous estimates of tooth marks on the FLK Zinj assemblage were
artificially high, since natural biochemical marks were mistaken for
tooth marks. Revised estimates are similar to those obtained in
experiments in which hyenas intervene after humans in bone
modification. Furthermore, analyses of percussion marks, notches, and
breakage patterns provide data which are best interpreted as the
results of hominid activity (hammerstone percussion and marrow
extraction), based on experimentally-derived referential frameworks.
These multiple lines of evidence support previous analyses of cut
marks and their anatomical distribution; all indicate that hominids
had early access to fleshed carcasses that were transported,
processed, and accumulated at the FLK Zinj site."

Jean de Heinzelin J. Desmond Clark Tim White,
William Hart, Paul Renne, Giday WoldeGabriel,
Yonas Beyene, Elisabeth Vrba
Environment and Behavior of
2.5-Million-Year-Old Bouri
Hominids

SCIENCE VOL 284 23 APRIL 1999

Abstract:
"The Hata Member of the Bouri Formation is deÞned for Pliocene
sedimentary
outcrops in the Middle Awash Valley, Ethiopia. The Hata Member is
dated to
2.5 million years ago and has produced a new species of
Australopithecus and
hominid postcranial remains not currently assigned to species.
Spatially associated
zooarchaeological remains show that hominids acquired meat and marrow
by 2.5 million years ago and that they are the near contemporary of
Oldowan artifacts at nearby Gona. The combined evidence suggests that
behavioral
changes associated with lithic technology and enhanced carnivory may
have been coincident with the emergence of the Homo clade from
Australopithecus
afarensis in eastern Africa."

Matt Sponheimer and Julia A. Lee-Thorp
Isotopic Evidence for the Diet
of an Early Hominid,
Australopithecus africanus
SCIENCE VOL 284 23 APRIL 1999

"Current consensus holds that the 3-million-year-old hominid
Australopithecus
africanus subsisted on fruits and leaves, much as the modern
chimpanzee does.
Stable carbon isotope analysis of A. africanus from Makapansgat
Limeworks,
South Africa, demonstrates that this early hominid ate not only fruits
and leaves
but also large quantities of carbon-13Ð enriched foods such as grasses
and
sedges or animals that ate these plants, or both. The results suggest
that early
hominids regularly exploited relatively open environments such as
woodlands
or grasslands for food. They may also suggest that hominids consumed
highquality
animal foods before the development of stone tools and the origin of
the genus Homo."
Lee Olsen...
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:50 am
Guest
On May 9, 12:04 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae... at (no spam) skynet.be> wrote:
Quote:
Rice ("water grass") is still the most important food of humans.

SF:

So now this wetloon thinks humans were eating rice at Gona?

You're really stupid,

Says the brainless wetloon who thinks mountain beavers are semi-
aquatc.

Quote:
Olson little boy.

Still lusting after little boys, pervert?

Quote:
Try to think a little bit:

So, you ingnore the hard evidence and replace it with spiritual
imagination and you call
that thinking?

FYI:

"However, the tortoise bones and ostrich-egg fragments are more
closely associated with the
lithic artifacts; their systematic presents in both Lokalalie sites
may show a possible hominid
collecting strategy (Roche 1999)."

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/anthro2003/origins/hominid_journey/pottsclimate.html

"Our own genus, Homo, was a founding member of the new savanna biota.
Stone toolmaking and the dental machinery of the robust australopiths
evolved as adaptations oriented to the resources of the drying,
opening landscape, evolutionary events that centered around the global
climatic change 2.4 to 2.5 million years ago.
The turnover-pulse idea proposes, first, that global temperature fell
precipitously. Second, that this event caused the spread of arid
grasslands within the savanna patchwork of Africa. And, third, that
the growth of these grasslands prompted synchronized change in
hominids and other animal populations. The regional division of
populations led new species to arise, while the force of natural
selection caused new adaptations to evolve. The hominids were
converted to live in open terrain."

http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2001/december/hominids.htm
None of the hominids analysed so far ate a diet like that of the
modern chimpanzee, gorilla, or even orangutan, all of which eat nearly
100% C3 foods. This is not to say that they did not eat fruits and
leaves - they most probably did. But they also ate quantities of
actual grasses, or animals that ate the grasses, or both. Grass itself
is difficult to process and to extract the nutrients (unless one is
well-equipped to do so, like a cow), so it's difficult to visualise
how such a large ''grass" signature could occur unless the hominids
ate some animal foods. C4 -consuming invertebrate and vertebrate
animals were abundant and easily collected by hominids. Raymond Dart
was on the right track all those years ago, even if his environmental
scenario was not quite right!

M Dominguez-Rodrigo et al.
New estimates of tooth mark and percussion mark frequencies at the FLK
Zinj site
J Hum Evol. 2005 Dec 30
"Traditional interpretations of hominid carcass acquisition strategies
revolve around the debate over whether early hominids hunted or
scavenged. A popular version of the scavenging scenario is the
carnivore-hominid-carnivore hypothesis, which argues that hominids
acquired animal resources primarily through passive opportunistic
scavenging from felid-defleshed carcasses. Its main empirical support
comes from the analysis of tooth mark frequency and distribution at
the FLK Zinj site reported by Blumenschine (Blumenschine, 1995, J.
Hum. Evol. 29, 21-51), in which it was shown that long bone mid-shafts
exhibited a high frequency of tooth marks, only explainable if felids
had preceded hominids in carcass defleshing. The present work shows
that previous estimates of tooth marks on the FLK Zinj assemblage were
artificially high, since natural biochemical marks were mistaken for
tooth marks. Revised estimates are similar to those obtained in
experiments in which hyenas intervene after humans in bone
modification. Furthermore, analyses of percussion marks, notches, and
breakage patterns provide data which are best interpreted as the
results of hominid activity (hammerstone percussion and marrow
extraction), based on experimentally-derived referential frameworks.
These multiple lines of evidence support previous analyses of cut
marks and their anatomical distribution; all indicate that hominids
had early access to fleshed carcasses that were transported,
processed, and accumulated at the FLK Zinj site."

Jean de Heinzelin J. Desmond Clark Tim White,
William Hart, Paul Renne, Giday WoldeGabriel,
Yonas Beyene, Elisabeth Vrba
Environment and Behavior of
2.5-Million-Year-Old Bouri
Hominids

SCIENCE VOL 284 23 APRIL 1999

Abstract:
"The Hata Member of the Bouri Formation is deÞned for Pliocene
sedimentary
outcrops in the Middle Awash Valley, Ethiopia. The Hata Member is
dated to
2.5 million years ago and has produced a new species of
Australopithecus and
hominid postcranial remains not currently assigned to species.
Spatially associated
zooarchaeological remains show that hominids acquired meat and marrow
by 2.5 million years ago and that they are the near contemporary of
Oldowan artifacts at nearby Gona. The combined evidence suggests that
behavioral
changes associated with lithic technology and enhanced carnivory may
have been coincident with the emergence of the Homo clade from
Australopithecus
afarensis in eastern Africa."

Matt Sponheimer and Julia A. Lee-Thorp
Isotopic Evidence for the Diet
of an Early Hominid,
Australopithecus africanus
SCIENCE VOL 284 23 APRIL 1999

"Current consensus holds that the 3-million-year-old hominid
Australopithecus
africanus subsisted on fruits and leaves, much as the modern
chimpanzee does.
Stable carbon isotope analysis of A. africanus from Makapansgat
Limeworks,
South Africa, demonstrates that this early hominid ate not only fruits
and leaves
but also large quantities of carbon-13Ð enriched foods such as grasses
and
sedges or animals that ate these plants, or both. The results suggest
that early
hominids regularly exploited relatively open environments such as
woodlands
or grasslands for food. They may also suggest that hominids consumed
highquality
animal foods before the development of stone tools and the origin of
the genus Homo."

Got it yet?
Marc Verhaegen...
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:38 am
Guest
Quote:
Henry and Piperno 2008 PA Society abstracts
Plants in Neanderthal Diet:
Plant Microfossil Evidence From the Dental Calculus of Shanidar III
... Plant microfossils such as starches and
phytoliths can be recovered from from a variety of archaeological contexts,
and are identifiable to plant family, genus and even species. A few previous
studies of plant microfossils from Neanderthal sites in the Near East have
suggested that they may have used plants extensively, and may have even
consumed grains (Albert et al.1999, 2000; Henry et al.1996, Madella et

Rice ("water grass") is still the most important food of humans.

Quote:
al.2002). However, these studies examined only microfossils trapped in
soils, which may be subject to contamination, or may not represent dietary
use of the plants. Using methods described at last yearʹs Paleoanthropology
Society Meetings (Henry, Piperno & Brooks 2007), we have examined plant
microfossils trapped in the dental calculus of Shanidar III, a Neanderthal
fossil dating to c 35 kya from Shanidar Cave, Iraq. Abundant plant
material was found on these teeth, including both starches and phytoliths.
Preliminary identification of the starches suggest this individual was
consuming grass seeds. This is the first direct evidence of dietary use of
plants by Neanderthals, and the discovery of starch grains from grasses
indicates these staples of modern human diet were consumed well before the
origins of agriculture.

Excellent abstract.

Excellent studies, yes, confirming the traces of cattails on Hn tools, the
taurodonty of Hn teeth, etc.

Quote:
I have always thought that the beginnings of
domestication precedes the Agriculture revolution by a long way. This
would suggest that eating grasses precedes the Hn/hss split some 600 kya.

Yes, and possibly already much earlier: "Students of fossil hominid teeth
agree that broad molars with thick enamel and rounded cusps, while
unsuitable for the regular processing of tough foods like leaves or meat,
are suitable for the processing of hard food items. Papyrus and reed were
abundant in the paleo-environment of the later australopithecines (e.g.
Olduvai, Chesowanja, Kromdraai), and Cyperaceae and Gramineae are part of
the diet of living African hominoid species. Gorillas eat sedges and bamboo
shoots and stalks, all African hominids eat cane, chimpanzees and humans eat
water lilies, and rice and other cereals are staple food for humans.
Supplementing their diet with harder parts of plants possibly helped the
robusts to bridge the dry season, when fruits and soft vegetables were
scarcer."

Quote:
Actually, it is only logical to think that, because an ability/
cultural adaptation must have it's beginning long before it is in
common use.
Combined with cave paintings in the 20-40 kya era, can we now assume
that humans were attempting to domestic a variety of plants and
animals before common use explodes in about 5-10 kya? (It is known
that most of the meat-evidence associated with cave paintings is from
reindeer; the art itself is of a lot of different animals.)
regards calder

Yes, cave art had illustrations of, eg, suids, cervids bovid, hare, marmot,
equids, rhinos, lynx, lion, fox, wolve, bear, weasel, seals, whales,
penguins, turtles, different sorts of fish, grasshoppers etc.

--Marc
Marc Verhaegen...
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:04 pm
Guest
Quote:
Rice ("water grass") is still the most important food of humans.

SF:
Quote:
So now this wetloon thinks humans were eating rice at Gona?

You're really stupid, Olson little boy. Try to think a little bit:
- all great hominioids use tools & have thick-enameled ancestors, IOW, their
LCA c.15 Ma was probably durophagous for processing hard-shelled foods
(nuts, mangrove oysters...),
- all living hominids (HPG) eat water grasses etc., IOW, their LCA c.8 Ma
probably fed partly on AHV.
Only a stupid stupid stupid SF like you believes these 2 are mutually
exclusive.
No reason why waterside omnivores (Gona or whereever) would not have
included aq.plants in their diet:
- Hn had cattails & starches & phytoliths in his diet,
- Hs' most important food is rice = some sort of grass growing in shallow
water.
Only a loon like you thinks that this for some obscure reason must exclude
butchering of whale or bovid carcasses, eg, M Gutierrez cs 2001
"Exploitation d¹un grand cétacé au Paléolithique ancien: le site de Dungo V
à Baia Farta (Benguela, Angola)" CRAS 332:357-362
 
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