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Terryo via SpaceKB.com
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:48 am
Guest
Hi Ray (and everyone)
Thanks for the insights and discussion on the Space Shuttle and its tile
design.
I heard an anecdote and wondered if anyone can verify it. I understood some
of the basic redesign for the tiles afte the Challenger Accident came from an
idea from Dr. Richard Feynman (the Nobel physicist). Is there any validity to
that? I cannot recall where I
heard it or where it came from.
Can any of you set me right on this story, maybe Dr Feynman used the Frisbee
to develop something else and not the post Challenger ablation tiles?
I study creativity as a psychologist and wonder if this is a true story that
can be
used in my classes...
(The story was that Dr. Feynman was watching some Frisbees in flight and made
some kind
of idea-transfer and this resulted in redesign of the curvature in the
shuttle tiles to help prevent or minimise ablation).
Thanks everyone
Terryo

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Terry Olesen
Perth, Western Australia

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Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:17 am
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"Terryo via SpaceKB.com" <u43192@uwe> wrote in message
news:83586cf4017b6@uwe...
Quote:
Hi Ray (and everyone)
Thanks for the insights and discussion on the Space Shuttle and its tile
design.
I heard an anecdote and wondered if anyone can verify it. I understood
some
of the basic redesign for the tiles afte the Challenger Accident came from
an
idea from Dr. Richard Feynman (the Nobel physicist). Is there any validity
to
that? I cannot recall where I
heard it or where it came from.
Can any of you set me right on this story, maybe Dr Feynman used the
Frisbee
to develop something else and not the post Challenger ablation tiles?

It's not clear what idea you're suggesting he came up with.

However, there are no ablative tiles (that I'm aware of) on the shuttle.
That would be counter the design of tiles on the Shuttles.


Quote:
I study creativity as a psychologist and wonder if this is a true story
that
can be
used in my classes...
(The story was that Dr. Feynman was watching some Frisbees in flight and
made
some kind
of idea-transfer and this resulted in redesign of the curvature in the
shuttle tiles to help prevent or minimise ablation).
Thanks everyone
Terryo

--
Terry Olesen
Perth, Western Australia

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Brian Gaff
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:56 am
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I thought he actually meant a way to stop them ablating. However, was this
not all down to the layer close to the shuttle not being disturbed and in
fact acting to insulate. This is why there was some talk about the problems
of chipped tiles and sticking out gap fillers at certain times in the
history.

Brian

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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Terryo via SpaceKB.com" <u43192@uwe> wrote in message
news:83586cf4017b6@uwe...
Hi Ray (and everyone)
Thanks for the insights and discussion on the Space Shuttle and its tile
design.
I heard an anecdote and wondered if anyone can verify it. I understood
some
of the basic redesign for the tiles afte the Challenger Accident came
from an
idea from Dr. Richard Feynman (the Nobel physicist). Is there any
validity to
that? I cannot recall where I
heard it or where it came from.
Can any of you set me right on this story, maybe Dr Feynman used the
Frisbee
to develop something else and not the post Challenger ablation tiles?

It's not clear what idea you're suggesting he came up with.

However, there are no ablative tiles (that I'm aware of) on the shuttle.
That would be counter the design of tiles on the Shuttles.


I study creativity as a psychologist and wonder if this is a true story
that
can be
used in my classes...
(The story was that Dr. Feynman was watching some Frisbees in flight and
made
some kind
of idea-transfer and this resulted in redesign of the curvature in the
shuttle tiles to help prevent or minimise ablation).
Thanks everyone
Terryo

--
Terry Olesen
Perth, Western Australia

Message posted via SpaceKB.com
http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/space-shuttle/200804/1




--
Greg Moore
SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available!
Email: sql (at) greenms.com
http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html

Joseph Nebus
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:28 am
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:
Quote:
"Terryo via SpaceKB.com" <u43192@uwe> wrote in message
news:83586cf4017b6@uwe...
Hi Ray (and everyone)
Thanks for the insights and discussion on the Space Shuttle and its tile
design.
I heard an anecdote and wondered if anyone can verify it. I understood
some of the basic redesign for the tiles afte the Challenger Accident
came from an idea from Dr. Richard Feynman (the Nobel physicist). Is
there any validity to that? I cannot recall where I heard it or where
it came from.
Can any of you set me right on this story, maybe Dr Feynman used the
Frisbee to develop something else and not the post Challenger ablation
tiles?

It's not clear what idea you're suggesting he came up with.

However, there are no ablative tiles (that I'm aware of) on the shuttle.
That would be counter the design of tiles on the Shuttles.

There are a few spots in the wheel wells where ablative
coverings are used on the Shuttle -- just too hard to make a tile that
fits those spots -- but so far as I know the only thing that Feynman
had anything noteworthy to do with was bringing up in public the
rubber-in-ice-water demonstration.


Quote:
I study creativity as a psychologist and wonder if this is a true story
that can be used in my classes...
(The story was that Dr. Feynman was watching some Frisbees in flight and
made some kind of idea-transfer and this resulted in redesign of the
curvature in the shuttle tiles to help prevent or minimise ablation).

I think Feynman did talk about watching a Frisbee in flight
and following that to some other idea, but I don't remember what it
was. It's probably described in _What Do You Care What Other People
Think_ or else _Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman_, which do have a
fair number of anecdotes in which he describes thought processes.

--
Joseph Nebus
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Derek Lyons
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:40 pm
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:

Quote:
It's not clear what idea you're suggesting he came up with.

Sounds like just another member of the ever growing number of
anecdotes surrounding Feymann and and the Rodgers Comission.

D.
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http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:20 pm
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"Joseph Nebus" <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote in message
news:nebusj.1209399810@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu...
Quote:
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:
It's not clear what idea you're suggesting he came up with.

However, there are no ablative tiles (that I'm aware of) on the shuttle.
That would be counter the design of tiles on the Shuttles.

There are a few spots in the wheel wells where ablative
coverings are used on the Shuttle -- just too hard to make a tile that
fits those spots

Such as? Again, I don't recall any such spots. The wheel wells are covered
by doors that use the normal tiles.


Quote:
-- but so far as I know the only thing that Feynman
had anything noteworthy to do with was bringing up in public the
rubber-in-ice-water demonstration.


I study creativity as a psychologist and wonder if this is a true story
that can be used in my classes...
(The story was that Dr. Feynman was watching some Frisbees in flight and
made some kind of idea-transfer and this resulted in redesign of the
curvature in the shuttle tiles to help prevent or minimise ablation).

I think Feynman did talk about watching a Frisbee in flight
and following that to some other idea, but I don't remember what it
was. It's probably described in _What Do You Care What Other People
Think_ or else _Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman_, which do have a
fair number of anecdotes in which he describes thought processes.


Hmm, I've read both don't recall such an incident in either, but it's been
awhile..


Quote:
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Joseph Nebus
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Greg Moore
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Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:20 pm
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"Derek Lyons" <fairwater@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:481627f2.608545312@news.supernews.com...
Quote:
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:

It's not clear what idea you're suggesting he came up with.

Sounds like just another member of the ever growing number of
anecdotes surrounding Feymann and and the Rodgers Comission.

You mean the whole part about him being a God and walking on water is false?

Hmm.


Quote:

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL



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Greg Moore
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Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html
Joseph Nebus
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:47 pm
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:

Quote:
"Joseph Nebus" <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote in message
news:nebusj.1209399810@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu...
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:
It's not clear what idea you're suggesting he came up with.

However, there are no ablative tiles (that I'm aware of) on the shuttle.
That would be counter the design of tiles on the Shuttles.

There are a few spots in the wheel wells where ablative
coverings are used on the Shuttle -- just too hard to make a tile that
fits those spots

Such as? Again, I don't recall any such spots. The wheel wells are covered
by doors that use the normal tiles.

Hm. I had a very clear vague recollection of running across
mention of it in Jenkins's _Space Shuttle_, but on carefully reading
the description of the Thermal Protective System I don't see it.
Either I dreamed the whole thing or it's discussed in Heppenheimer's
_Development Of The Space Shuttle_, which I haven't got on hand at
the moment. My apologies for the confusion.

--
Joseph Nebus
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Damon Hill
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:51 pm
Guest
fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) wrote in news:481627f2.608545312
@news.supernews.com:

Quote:
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:

It's not clear what idea you're suggesting he came up with.

Sounds like just another member of the ever growing number of
anecdotes surrounding Feymann and and the Rodgers Comission.

Perhaps transpiration-cooled tiles are what he's thinking of?

--Damon
 
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