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| stryped |
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I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have? |
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| Ecnerwal |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:35 pm |
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In article
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stryped <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
Should be fine on your "tombstone" welder. It's plugged into 220 VAC and
is a "real" welder from that point of view. The "small" welders in
question are 110V supply buzzboxes, which lack sufficient open current
voltage for proper operation, if I recall the reason correctly.
The ideal rod depends, as usual, on what you are doing. If you need
7018, it's the ideal rod for that job. If you have the skill to run it
well, it can do a lot of jobs. For low-stress clean steel, 6013 is a
nice all-position rod, and makes a pretty bead. For filth and rust
encountered in maintenance welding, 6011 is good, if ugly. 6010 is
better if you have DC. One of the 60 series is supposed to be dead
simple for flat welds, but I don't have enough flat welds to bother
remembering what it is (14 or 24, I think), or buying any. Nickel is
good if you need to repair cast iron. Hardface is good if you need to
make things wear resistant. A carbon arc torch is good if you need to
heat and braze things and don't own an oxy/acetlyene torch...
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| SteveB |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:47 am |
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"stryped" <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
With your welding experience, I would just use any rod. Any polarity. Any
size. Results will be the same.
Steve |
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| Gunner Asch |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:33 am |
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:27:32 -0800, "SteveB"
<pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote:
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"stryped" <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4b19c245-0cb8-47d9-adf6-7bbdea52488e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
With your welding experience, I would just use any rod. Any polarity. Any
size. Results will be the same.
Steve
Cold Dude...really cold...
Gunner
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| John Husvar |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:11 am |
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In article <qgpt041i2ti7amnifml67l9crapvbtqssi@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:27:32 -0800, "SteveB"
pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote:
"stryped" <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4b19c245-0cb8-47d9-adf6-7bbdea52488e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
With your welding experience, I would just use any rod. Any polarity. Any
size. Results will be the same.
Steve
Cold Dude...really cold...
I agree Steve's response might not be the best encouragement to a
newcomer to welding, but stryped is talking about building a trailer,
presumably to be used on the public roads.
His skill level doesn't appear to be anywhere near adequate to attempt
that project. It's not only his life, health, or safety that are at
stake.
Steve's reply might be cold, but it's accurate at this time. stryped
would be far better off buying a trailer. For that matter, so would I.
Most all of my experience is short welds on small stock, wheelchair and
mobility aids parts where I _have_ to practice a few beads before I even
start on the workpiece because there's no room or material to mess up
and do over. I've never had one of my welds fail, but I'd know just
enough to be dangerous, building a trailer.
A man's gotta know his limitations. :)
_Then_ he can to learn to extend them. |
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| Maxwell |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:09 am |
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"stryped" <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4b19c245-0cb8-47d9-adf6-7bbdea52488e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Quote: I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
Not sure about the optimum, but I have used 7018 3/32 with a 225 AC Lincoln
a lot. Seem to get good results. However, most any rod seems easier to run
on AC than 7018. That might be the only reason Lincoln doesn't recommend it. |
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| Gunner Asch |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:06 am |
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:11:47 -0400, John Husvar
<jhusvar@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: In article <qgpt041i2ti7amnifml67l9crapvbtqssi@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:27:32 -0800, "SteveB"
pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote:
"stryped" <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4b19c245-0cb8-47d9-adf6-7bbdea52488e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
With your welding experience, I would just use any rod. Any polarity. Any
size. Results will be the same.
Steve
Cold Dude...really cold...
I agree Steve's response might not be the best encouragement to a
newcomer to welding, but stryped is talking about building a trailer,
presumably to be used on the public roads.
His skill level doesn't appear to be anywhere near adequate to attempt
that project. It's not only his life, health, or safety that are at
stake.
Steve's reply might be cold, but it's accurate at this time. stryped
would be far better off buying a trailer. For that matter, so would I.
Most all of my experience is short welds on small stock, wheelchair and
mobility aids parts where I _have_ to practice a few beads before I even
start on the workpiece because there's no room or material to mess up
and do over. I've never had one of my welds fail, but I'd know just
enough to be dangerous, building a trailer.
A man's gotta know his limitations. :)
_Then_ he can to learn to extend them.
True enough. Indeed.
Gunner
Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
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| SteveB |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:17 pm |
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"John Husvar" <jhusvar@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Quote: In article <qgpt041i2ti7amnifml67l9crapvbtqssi@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:27:32 -0800, "SteveB"
pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote:
"stryped" <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4b19c245-0cb8-47d9-adf6-7bbdea52488e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
With your welding experience, I would just use any rod. Any polarity.
Any
size. Results will be the same.
Steve
Cold Dude...really cold...
I agree Steve's response might not be the best encouragement to a
newcomer to welding, but stryped is talking about building a trailer,
presumably to be used on the public roads.
His skill level doesn't appear to be anywhere near adequate to attempt
that project. It's not only his life, health, or safety that are at
stake.
Steve's reply might be cold, but it's accurate at this time. stryped
would be far better off buying a trailer. For that matter, so would I.
Most all of my experience is short welds on small stock, wheelchair and
mobility aids parts where I _have_ to practice a few beads before I even
start on the workpiece because there's no room or material to mess up
and do over. I've never had one of my welds fail, but I'd know just
enough to be dangerous, building a trailer.
A man's gotta know his limitations. :)
_Then_ he can to learn to extend them.
Thank you ever so much. I have not really decided whether stryped is an
actual welder or a troll. The questions he has asked have been all over the
map, but then, I must confess to the same thing. So, I'm still not sure
where the man's coming from. If he's for real, he just needs to spend a
couple of thousand hours on the issue like the rest of us, and I'm willing
to help him. If he's a troll, then he's just a troll.
The way the questions keep coming from all different directions, it makes me
lean towards a troll. At first, I thought Iggy was a troll. Iggy has
undertaken some wild projects and asked some wild questions, but has always
followed up with results and pictures and evidence that he's out there doing
the deed. Now, I know Iggy's a guy I'd be pleased to work beside and call
friend. Iggy's real because he's had some successes and some flops, like
all of us.
I'm waiting for stryped's equivalent.
Steve |
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| Ignoramus22498 |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:04 pm |
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On 2008-04-24, SteveB <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote:
Quote: The way the questions keep coming from all different directions, it makes me
lean towards a troll. At first, I thought Iggy was a troll. Iggy has
undertaken some wild projects and asked some wild questions, but has always
followed up with results and pictures and evidence that he's out there doing
the deed. Now, I know Iggy's a guy I'd be pleased to work beside and call
friend. Iggy's real because he's had some successes and some flops, like
all of us.
Thank you. I do have a trollish streak in me. But as you noted, I
actually do stuff and sometimes even learn something useful. I would
be honored to have you as my friend. I wish you lived nearby.
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| Private |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:25 pm |
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"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote in message
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Thank you ever so much. I have not really decided whether stryped is an
actual welder or a troll. The questions he has asked have been all over
the map, but then, I must confess to the same thing. So, I'm still not
sure where the man's coming from. If he's for real, he just needs to
spend a couple of thousand hours on the issue like the rest of us, and I'm
willing to help him. If he's a troll, then he's just a troll.
The way the questions keep coming from all different directions, it makes
me lean towards a troll. At first, I thought Iggy was a troll. Iggy has
undertaken some wild projects and asked some wild questions, but has
always followed up with results and pictures and evidence that he's out
there doing the deed. Now, I know Iggy's a guy I'd be pleased to work
beside and call friend. Iggy's real because he's had some successes and
some flops, like all of us.
I'm waiting for stryped's equivalent.
Steve
I share your confusion, and further am reluctant to facilitate his current
project which is so obviously beyond his ability, experience and skill set
and will be used to haul heavy and potentially dangerous goods on public
roads exposing innocent third parties to unnecessary risk of injury or
death.
Just my .02, I wish him luck. |
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| John Miller |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:43 pm |
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The weld photos that were referenced were documented as taken in 2003 -FWIW.
Would seem to be a troll.
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"John Husvar" <jhusvar@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <qgpt041i2ti7amnifml67l9crapvbtqssi@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:27:32 -0800, "SteveB"
pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote:
"stryped" <stryped@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4b19c245-0cb8-47d9-adf6-7bbdea52488e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
With your welding experience, I would just use any rod. Any polarity.
Any
size. Results will be the same.
Steve
Cold Dude...really cold...
I agree Steve's response might not be the best encouragement to a
newcomer to welding, but stryped is talking about building a trailer,
presumably to be used on the public roads.
His skill level doesn't appear to be anywhere near adequate to attempt
that project. It's not only his life, health, or safety that are at
stake.
Steve's reply might be cold, but it's accurate at this time. stryped
would be far better off buying a trailer. For that matter, so would I.
Most all of my experience is short welds on small stock, wheelchair and
mobility aids parts where I _have_ to practice a few beads before I even
start on the workpiece because there's no room or material to mess up
and do over. I've never had one of my welds fail, but I'd know just
enough to be dangerous, building a trailer.
A man's gotta know his limitations. :)
_Then_ he can to learn to extend them.
Thank you ever so much. I have not really decided whether stryped is an
actual welder or a troll. The questions he has asked have been all over
the map, but then, I must confess to the same thing. So, I'm still not
sure where the man's coming from. If he's for real, he just needs to
spend a couple of thousand hours on the issue like the rest of us, and I'm
willing to help him. If he's a troll, then he's just a troll.
The way the questions keep coming from all different directions, it makes
me lean towards a troll. At first, I thought Iggy was a troll. Iggy has
undertaken some wild projects and asked some wild questions, but has
always followed up with results and pictures and evidence that he's out
there doing the deed. Now, I know Iggy's a guy I'd be pleased to work
beside and call friend. Iggy's real because he's had some successes and
some flops, like all of us.
I'm waiting for stryped's equivalent.
Steve
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:47 am |
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On Apr 23, 10:43 pm, "John Miller" <jamwfour...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote: The weld photos that were referenced were documented as taken in 2003 -FWIW.
Would seem to be a troll.
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J Miller"SteveB" <pittmanpir...@henderson.com> wrote in message
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"John Husvar" <jhus...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <qgpt041i2ti7amnifml67l9crapvbtq...@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:27:32 -0800, "SteveB"
pittmanpir...@henderson.com> wrote:
"stryped" <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4b19c245-0cb8-47d9-adf6-7bbdea52488e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I was reading on the Miller website an explanation of rods. It said
that 7018 rods are "not recommended for use in small ac arc welders".
Does this mean I should not use it with my Lincoln ac 225 amp welder?
What is the ideal rod for the machine I have?
With your welding experience, I would just use any rod. Any polarity.
Any
size. Results will be the same.
Steve
Cold Dude...really cold...
I agree Steve's response might not be the best encouragement to a
newcomer to welding, butstrypedis talking about building a trailer,
presumably to be used on the public roads.
His skill level doesn't appear to be anywhere near adequate to attempt
that project. It's not only his life, health, or safety that are at
stake.
Steve's reply might be cold, but it's accurate at this time.stryped
would be far better off buying a trailer. For that matter, so would I.
Most all of my experience is short welds on small stock, wheelchair and
mobility aids parts where I _have_ to practice a few beads before I even
start on the workpiece because there's no room or material to mess up
and do over. I've never had one of my welds fail, but I'd know just
enough to be dangerous, building a trailer.
A man's gotta know his limitations. :)
_Then_ he can to learn to extend them.
Thank you ever so much. I have not really decided whetherstrypedis an
actual welder or a troll. The questions he has asked have been all over
the map, but then, I must confess to the same thing. So, I'm still not
sure where the man's coming from. If he's for real, he just needs to
spend a couple of thousand hours on the issue like the rest of us, and I'm
willing to help him. If he's a troll, then he's just a troll.
The way the questions keep coming from all different directions, it makes
me lean towards a troll. At first, I thought Iggy was a troll. Iggy has
undertaken some wild projects and asked some wild questions, but has
always followed up with results and pictures and evidence that he's out
there doing the deed. Now, I know Iggy's a guy I'd be pleased to work
beside and call friend. Iggy's real because he's had some successes and
some flops, like all of us.
I'm waiting forstryped'sequivalent.
Steve- Hide quoted text -
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Theweld photos say 2003 because i did not set the calander in my
camera.
Trust me, I am not a troll, I just have alot of questions. I am trying
to learn, I have wleded on other projects. I posted some of my welds.
I know I need work. I am not sure if I will ever build the thing, I am
just looking for advice. I may partially weld it up then take it to a
local shop and have them weld it the rest of the way. |
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On Apr 30, 11:47 am, stryped <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Quote: Trust me, I am not a troll, I just have alot of questions. I am trying
to learn, I have wleded on other projects. I posted some of my welds.
I know I need work. ...
If a high school or voc-tech near you teaches welding, ask about
evening classes. |
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| Ignoramus10026 |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:07 pm |
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On 2008-04-30, Jim Wilkins <KB1DAL@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 30, 11:47•£Äam, stryped <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Trust me, I am not a troll, I just have alot of questions. I am trying
to learn, I have wleded on other projects. I posted some of my welds.
I know I need work. ...
If a high school or voc-tech near you teaches welding, ask about
evening classes.
I was thinking of doing same. I have some welding experience, but very
little. Has anyone tried those schools?
We have a community college nearby that is very good and very cheap.
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| Grant Erwin |
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Ignoramus10026 wrote:
Quote: On 2008-04-30, Jim Wilkins <KB1DAL@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 11:47•£Äam, stryped <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Trust me, I am not a troll, I just have alot of questions. I am trying
to learn, I have wleded on other projects. I posted some of my welds.
I know I need work. ...
If a high school or voc-tech near you teaches welding, ask about
evening classes.
I was thinking of doing same. I have some welding experience, but very
little. Has anyone tried those schools?
We have a community college nearby that is very good and very cheap.
You want to know if any of us has ever taken a welding class at a CC? I
sure have. Ernie used to teach at South Seattle Community College (for like 12
years) and I took a couple of quarters there. Got my welding cert too.
Grant |
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