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| Rupert Swarbrick |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:13 pm |
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Hi,
I'm working through MacLane's "Categories for the Working
Mathematician" (although as I'm still an unemployed student maybe I'm
not in the target audience!) Anyway, in a set of exercises about mono
and epi arrows, he asks you to prove that in the category of sets,
every idempotent splits.
Now I can't work out how one might go about proving this, and am even
not sure if I've misunderstood the question because of the following
example. Take 2 = {0,1} a set with two elements and let f: 2 -> 2
where f(x) = 0. Clearly f is idempotent since f(f(x))=f(x)=0 but you
can list all the (4) maps from 2->2 and it doesn't seem that there are
any such that f=gh and hg=Id, which would seem to be implied by what I
thought I was trying to prove!
Can anyone see what I've misunderstood? I'm a bit stuck!
Rupert |
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| Mariano Suárez-Alvarez |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:13 pm |
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On Apr 29, 7:13 pm, Rupert Swarbrick <rswarbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi,
I'm working through MacLane's "Categories for the Working
Mathematician" (although as I'm still an unemployed student maybe I'm
not in the target audience!) Anyway, in a set of exercises about mono
and epi arrows, he asks you to prove that in the category of sets,
every idempotent splits.
Now I can't work out how one might go about proving this, and am even
not sure if I've misunderstood the question because of the following
example. Take 2 = {0,1} a set with two elements and let f: 2 -> 2
where f(x) = 0. Clearly f is idempotent since f(f(x))=f(x)=0 but you
can list all the (4) maps from 2->2 and it doesn't seem that there are
any such that f=gh and hg=Id, which would seem to be implied by what I
thought I was trying to prove!
Can anyone see what I've misunderstood? I'm a bit stuck!
Rupert
Notice that if f : X -> X is idempotent,
a splitting for f is a pair of arrows
(h : X --> Y, g : Y --> X)
such that g h = f and h g = id_Y.
You seem to be looking for a splitting
with Y = X?
In your specific example, you can take
Y = { 0 }, h : X --> Y the constant
map and g : Y --> X the inclusion.
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| Rupert Swarbrick |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:32 pm |
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Mariano Suárez-Alvarez <mariano.suarezalvarez@gmail.com> writes:
Quote: On Apr 29, 7:13 pm, Rupert Swarbrick <rswarbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm working through MacLane's "Categories for the Working
Mathematician" (although as I'm still an unemployed student maybe I'm
not in the target audience!) Anyway, in a set of exercises about mono
and epi arrows, he asks you to prove that in the category of sets,
every idempotent splits.
Now I can't work out how one might go about proving this, and am even
not sure if I've misunderstood the question because of the following
example. Take 2 = {0,1} a set with two elements and let f: 2 -> 2
where f(x) = 0. Clearly f is idempotent since f(f(x))=f(x)=0 but you
can list all the (4) maps from 2->2 and it doesn't seem that there are
any such that f=gh and hg=Id, which would seem to be implied by what I
thought I was trying to prove!
Can anyone see what I've misunderstood? I'm a bit stuck!
Rupert
Notice that if f : X -> X is idempotent,
a splitting for f is a pair of arrows
(h : X --> Y, g : Y --> X)
such that g h = f and h g = id_Y.
You seem to be looking for a splitting
with Y = X?
In your specific example, you can take
Y = { 0 }, h : X --> Y the constant
map and g : Y --> X the inclusion.
-- m
Aaaah! Thank you! You're exactly right. Now I'll try and prove it in
general (as I now believe what I'm trying to prove!)
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