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Guest
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:18 pm
i'm just starting study in special relativity in an undergrad course.

i can't quite figure this one out.

if i someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity of -0.75c toward
me, and from the other direction someone else (A') is hurtling at a
constant velocity of 0.75 toward me. What is the velocity of A' from
the reference frame of A?

thanks in advance for any help on this

cf
Dono
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:20 pm
Guest
On Apr 30, 4:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:


Australian fake idiot is back.
Guest
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:24 pm
On May 1, 9:18 am, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:

sorry - typos corrected

Quote:

if someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity of -0.75c toward
me, and from the other direction someone else (A') is hurtling at a
constant velocity of 0.75c toward me.  What is the velocity of A' from
the reference frame of A?

thanks in advance for any help on this

cf
Guest
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:33 pm
On May 1, 9:20 am, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 30, 4:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:

Australian fake idiot is back.

fake australian or fake idiot?

is there a relativity for dummies (or fake idiots or fake australians)
group i should have posted to?
Dono
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:46 pm
Guest
On Apr 30, 4:33 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On May 1, 9:20 am, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:

On Apr 30, 4:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:

Australian fake idiot is back.

fake australian or fake idiot?

is there a relativity for dummies (or fake idiots or fake australians)
group i should have posted to?

fake idiot AND old troll
xxein
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:17 pm
Guest
On Apr 30, 7:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
i'm just starting study in special relativity in an undergrad course.

i can't quite figure this one out.

if i someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity of -0.75c toward
me, and from the other direction someone else (A') is hurtling at a
constant velocity of 0.75 toward me.  What is the velocity of A' from
the reference frame of A?

thanks in advance for any help on this

cf

xxein: You will quickly come up to velocity addition in your studies
(if you haven't yet). If you have and are still going nuts over this,
you can use logic and make a logical physics. But in order to do so,
you will have to be very intelligent. You will also need seasoning
(never enough).

I can't tell you how you will or should reason, but I can give you a
logic to understand this problem and solve it for a greater
satisfaction beyond the toutology you may encounter.

I should not give you a direct answer to your question because it may
allow you to give an answer to a test, but I will do so anyway. It is
-0.96c. I do so because I don't want you to fail a test and give it
all up.

You seem to be interested in physics-relativity (perhaps only in
general) and you are going to be taught a lot of things that won't
seem to make sense. You will be taught formulae and relations that
that seem to come out of nowhere. Well? It's true. It comes from
nowhere, but it seems to work.

It can only work because it does and you might be satisfied with
that. But if you think as I do, it lacks logic in many ways ---
bigtime. There is a major problem here in that that the logic we use
comes, not as a whole, but in separate packets. Cosmology does not
give rise to relativity (except through c). SR-GR does not create a
cosmology (it is baffled by galactic rotation). QM cannot recognise
a gravity. Yet each is taught to be the 'science' you must learn in
order to progress to their level of understanding when they clearly
have none that unites to a logical sense.

So? I may be bursting your bubble. Fair or unfair?

The point here is that something seems to offend your rationality and
logic for velocity addition. I can't blame you. It's not you ---
it's the science that is taught. It is not good enough to satisfy a
logic.

I'll post a reply to myself to give you some insight that you might
find usefull.
Guest
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:14 pm
On May 1, 11:54 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net>
wrote:
Quote:
Dearchaosfilter.com:

chaosfilter....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b6769dfb-f915-456b-a1b0-facb14e6eb09@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

i'm just starting study in special relativity in an
undergrad course.

i can't quite figure this one out.

if i someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity
of -0.75c toward me, and from the other direction
someone else (A') is hurtling at a constant
velocity of 0.75 toward me. What is the velocity
of A' from the reference frame of A?

thanks in advance for any help on this

http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/SR/veloci...

... and if you get stuck on something else ...http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/

David A. Smith

Thanks.

I was using

w - u
v = ---------
1 - wu/c2

when i should have been using (in the same axis)

|u - v|
w = -------------
1 - u v/c2

excellent summary page

thanks
Guest
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:17 pm
On May 1, 11:17 am, xxein <xxe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 30, 7:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:

i'm just starting study in special relativity in an undergrad course.

i can't quite figure this one out.

if i someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity of -0.75c toward
me, and from the other direction someone else (A') is hurtling at a
constant velocity of 0.75 toward me. What is the velocity of A' from
the reference frame of A?

thanks in advance for any help on this

cf

xxein: You will quickly come up to velocity addition in your studies
(if you haven't yet). If you have and are still going nuts over this,
you can use logic and make a logical physics. But in order to do so,
you will have to be very intelligent. You will also need seasoning
(never enough).

I can't tell you how you will or should reason, but I can give you a
logic to understand this problem and solve it for a greater
satisfaction beyond the toutology you may encounter.

I should not give you a direct answer to your question because it may
allow you to give an answer to a test, but I will do so anyway. It is
-0.96c. I do so because I don't want you to fail a test and give it
all up.

You seem to be interested in physics-relativity (perhaps only in
general) and you are going to be taught a lot of things that won't
seem to make sense. You will be taught formulae and relations that
that seem to come out of nowhere. Well? It's true. It comes from
nowhere, but it seems to work.

It can only work because it does and you might be satisfied with
that. But if you think as I do, it lacks logic in many ways ---
bigtime. There is a major problem here in that that the logic we use
comes, not as a whole, but in separate packets. Cosmology does not
give rise to relativity (except through c). SR-GR does not create a
cosmology (it is baffled by galactic rotation). QM cannot recognise
a gravity. Yet each is taught to be the 'science' you must learn in
order to progress to their level of understanding when they clearly
have none that unites to a logical sense.

So? I may be bursting your bubble. Fair or unfair?

The point here is that something seems to offend your rationality and
logic for velocity addition. I can't blame you. It's not you ---
it's the science that is taught. It is not good enough to satisfy a
logic.

I'll post a reply to myself to give you some insight that you might
find usefull.

no bubble bursting...

i plugged the numbers into the formula listed on the page david posted
below, and got your answer. p.s. wasn't an answer for a test, just my
own query (our text book had relative velocities in the same
direction, or without two being greater than 0.5).

for moi, instrumentally correct in the situations i am concerned with
will do for now Smile
Guest
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:30 pm
On May 1, 9:46 am, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 30, 4:33 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:

On May 1, 9:20 am, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:

On Apr 30, 4:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:

Australian fake idiot is back.

fake australian or fake idiot?

is there a relativity for dummies (or fake idiots or fake australians)
group i should have posted to?

fake idiot AND old troll

playing the man rather than the ball - thou art a virtual bully,
despicable - and you clearly think people deserve life sentences for
alleged (if once years ago putting my website in as my signature is a
"trolling" crime) anti-social behaviour, leopards don't change their
spots do they? - can't you find something more productive to do with
your time, like provide a coherent response to a valid question. (no
need now, thanks with gratitude to the two informative non-bullies
below)

to anyone else - can you block receiving messages from a'holes like
dono when using groups on the interweb?
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:54 pm
Guest
Dear chaosfilter.com:

<chaosfilter.com@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b6769dfb-f915-456b-a1b0-facb14e6eb09@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
i'm just starting study in special relativity in an
undergrad course.

i can't quite figure this one out.

if i someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity
of -0.75c toward me, and from the other direction
someone else (A') is hurtling at a constant
velocity of 0.75 toward me. What is the velocity
of A' from the reference frame of A?

thanks in advance for any help on this

http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/SR/velocity.html

.... and if you get stuck on something else ...
http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/

David A. Smith
Androcles
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:48 am
Guest
This message is brought to you by Androcles
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<chaosfilter.com@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b6769dfb-f915-456b-a1b0-facb14e6eb09@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
| i'm just starting study in special relativity in an undergrad course.



Sure you are... but never mind that, anyone can ask.


| i can't quite figure this one out.
|
| if i someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity of -0.75c toward
| me, and from the other direction someone else (A') is hurtling at a
| constant velocity of 0.75 toward me. What is the velocity of A' from
| the reference frame of A?

1.5c... but you knew that already, what you want to argue is the
crackpottery
Einstein wrote.




|
| thanks in advance for any help on this
|
| cf
Androcles
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:55 am
Guest
--
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"xxein" <xxein1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:fc14a0dc-54cc-41d0-b1ca-9b321f822f40@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 30, 7:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
i'm just starting study in special relativity in an undergrad course.

i can't quite figure this one out.

if i someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity of -0.75c toward
me, and from the other direction someone else (A') is hurtling at a
constant velocity of 0.75 toward me. What is the velocity of A' from
the reference frame of A?

thanks in advance for any help on this

cf

| xxein: You will quickly come up to velocity addition in your studies
| (if you haven't yet). If you have and are still going nuts over this,
| you can use logic and make a logical physics. But in order to do so,
| you will have to be very intelligent. You will also need seasoning
| (never enough).

| I can't tell you how you will or should reason, but I can give you a
| logic to understand this problem and solve it for a greater
| satisfaction beyond the toutology you may encounter.

| I should not give you a direct answer to your question because it may
| allow you to give an answer to a test, but I will do so anyway. It is
| -0.96c.

Ignorant lying shit.

Q. Why did the crank Einstein say
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the time each way is the same?
A. Because he was fucking crazy.

Q. Why do ignorant lying shits like you continue to promote his garbage?
A. Because you are all fuckheads.
Dono
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:21 am
Guest
On May 1, 1:52 am, Martin Hogbin <goatNOSP...@hogbin.org> wrote:
Quote:
Dono wrote:
On Apr 30, 4:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:

Australian fake idiot is back.

Who do you think this person is?

Martin Hogbin



The troll that comes back periodically and acts like a fake idiot.
Look at his IP.
Martin Hogbin
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:52 am
Guest
Dono wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 30, 4:18 pm, chaosfilter....@gmail.com wrote:


Australian fake idiot is back.

Who do you think this person is?

Martin Hogbin
Martin Hogbin
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:53 am
Guest
chaosfilter.com@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On May 1, 11:54 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net
wrote:
Dearchaosfilter.com:

chaosfilter....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b6769dfb-f915-456b-a1b0-facb14e6eb09@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

i'm just starting study in special relativity in an
undergrad course.
i can't quite figure this one out.
if i someone (A) is hurtling at a constant velocity
of -0.75c toward me, and from the other direction
someone else (A') is hurtling at a constant
velocity of 0.75 toward me. What is the velocity
of A' from the reference frame of A?
thanks in advance for any help on this
http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/SR/veloci...

... and if you get stuck on something else ...http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/

David A. Smith

Thanks.

I was using

w - u
v = ---------
1 - wu/c2

when i should have been using (in the same axis)

|u - v|
w = -------------
1 - u v/c2

Why?

Martin Hogbin
 
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