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Alan Erskine
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:36 am
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http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php Includes a "Data Sheet", but still no
Payload Users Guide.

Payload has gone up to 11, 290kg from 9,900kg.

Still no dimensions or weights for the Dragon though. {|-\
Alan Erskine
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:37 am
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"Alan Erskine" <alan.erskine@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php Includes a "Data Sheet", but still no
Payload Users Guide.

Payload has gone up to 11, 290kg from 9,900kg.

Still no dimensions or weights for the Dragon though. {|-\



Sorry; meant to add that the F9H will have a payload of 29,610kg LEO.
Interesting....
Guest
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:45 am
On Apr 10, 11:36 am, "Alan Erskine" <alan.ersk...@bigpond.com> wrote:
Quote:
http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.phpIncludes a "Data Sheet", but still no
Payload Users Guide.

Payload has gone up to 11, 290kg from 9,900kg.


It says for the block II
Damon Hill
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:29 pm
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"Alan Erskine" <alan.erskine@bigpond.com> wrote in
news:HtqLj.303$ko5.27@news-server.bigpond.net.au:

Quote:
http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php Includes a "Data Sheet", but still
no Payload Users Guide.

Payload has gone up to 11, 290kg from 9,900kg.

Note the Merlin 1e engine thrust is up to 125 Klbs/sea level.
This has resulted in the stretched Falcon 1e, which has about
double the payload and certainly hasn't hurt the Falcon 9
performance. Smile The Falcon 9 Neavy will be over 3.3 million
lbs/thrust on 27(!) of those engines. That'll be a serious
show at liftoff.

Wonder how much the Merlin can be uprated before SpaceX has
to go to a clean sheet? SpaceX is planning a very much larger
engine in the F-1 class at some time in the future. A 200
Klbs engine could greatly simplify the Falcon 9 to a Falcon 5
with no loss of performance.

USAF and Aerojet are discussing accelerated development of an
all-new reusable staged-combustion hydrocarbon engine to replace
the RD-180 (but they've always been talking about such an engine--
little significant hardware development has resulted).

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busav&id
=news/REUSE04108.xml&show=us

--Damon
Guest
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:21 pm
On Apr 10, 8:59 pm, "Alan Erskine" <alan.ersk...@bigpond.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Damon Hill" <damon1S...@comcast.netnet> wrote in message

news:Xns9A7C74D4FE2B3damon161attbicom@127.0.0.1...



"Alan Erskine" <alan.ersk...@bigpond.com> wrote in
news:HtqLj.303$ko5.27@news-server.bigpond.net.au:

http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.phpIncludes a "Data Sheet", but still
no Payload Users Guide.

Payload has gone up to 11, 290kg from 9,900kg.

Note the Merlin 1e engine thrust is up to 125 Klbs/sea level.
This has resulted in the stretched Falcon 1e, which has about
double the payload and certainly hasn't hurt the Falcon 9
performance. Smile The Falcon 9 Neavy will be over 3.3 million
lbs/thrust on 27(!) of those engines. That'll be a serious
show at liftoff.

Wonder how much the Merlin can be uprated before SpaceX has
to go to a clean sheet? SpaceX is planning a very much larger
engine in the F-1 class at some time in the future. A 200
Klbs engine could greatly simplify the Falcon 9 to a Falcon 5
with no loss of performance.

USAF and Aerojet are discussing accelerated development of an
all-new reusable staged-combustion hydrocarbon engine to replace
the RD-180 (but they've always been talking about such an engine--
little significant hardware development has resulted).

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa...
=news/REUSE04108.xml&show=us

--Damon

It's going to get interesting for companies like Boeing and LocMart too -
their launch vehicles are going to be too expensive for anyone to use. If
Falcon 9 and F9H can show their reliability and demonstrate low costs, then
the Big Two will have to get their fingers out and design new launch
vehicles in a similar manner to F9/F9H.

There is no need to redesign the Atlas and Delta. Spacex's costs
will rise to meet ULA's when they find how many manhours it takes to
maintain >96% launch success rate.
Alan Erskine
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:59 pm
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"Damon Hill" <damon1SIX1@comcast.netnet> wrote in message
news:Xns9A7C74D4FE2B3damon161attbicom@127.0.0.1...
Quote:
"Alan Erskine" <alan.erskine@bigpond.com> wrote in
news:HtqLj.303$ko5.27@news-server.bigpond.net.au:

http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php Includes a "Data Sheet", but still
no Payload Users Guide.

Payload has gone up to 11, 290kg from 9,900kg.

Note the Merlin 1e engine thrust is up to 125 Klbs/sea level.
This has resulted in the stretched Falcon 1e, which has about
double the payload and certainly hasn't hurt the Falcon 9
performance. Smile The Falcon 9 Neavy will be over 3.3 million
lbs/thrust on 27(!) of those engines. That'll be a serious
show at liftoff.

Wonder how much the Merlin can be uprated before SpaceX has
to go to a clean sheet? SpaceX is planning a very much larger
engine in the F-1 class at some time in the future. A 200
Klbs engine could greatly simplify the Falcon 9 to a Falcon 5
with no loss of performance.

USAF and Aerojet are discussing accelerated development of an
all-new reusable staged-combustion hydrocarbon engine to replace
the RD-180 (but they've always been talking about such an engine--
little significant hardware development has resulted).

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busav&id
=news/REUSE04108.xml&show=us

--Damon

It's going to get interesting for companies like Boeing and LocMart too -
their launch vehicles are going to be too expensive for anyone to use. If
Falcon 9 and F9H can show their reliability and demonstrate low costs, then
the Big Two will have to get their fingers out and design new launch
vehicles in a similar manner to F9/F9H. There's no reason why the guvmnt
couldn't use the SpaceX LV's to launch classified projects and space probes.

I'm starting to look very favourably towards SpaceX; I think they've got the
right vehicles at the right time. I agree with you that it would be good to
get a more powerful engine than the Merlin on the F9/F9H, but SpaceX claim
'engine-out-at-launch' capability that might affect reliability if there
were fewer engines.

The next two or three years will be very interesting; very interesting
indeed! Smile
 
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