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maxson@mission51l.com
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:39 am
Guest
See <http://tinyurl.com/yoj3jp>:

"The *news-babble* as you put it didn't think to slow-motion the video
and watch the progression of the vehicle destruction, something which
I did the next morning for the NASA engineers at JSC. For better or
worse, we all had secret clearances, and were told that the accident
investigation was *secret* until information was officially released
by the Presidential Commission."

I have to wonder if Bill lived in a vacuum. Dan Rather had slow-motion
video up (with an expert narrating) immediately after the Speakes
press conference. That was at least two hours before the Moore news
conference at 4:15 pm (all on launch day).

From <http://tinyurl.com/33wzob>:

"First of all, let's set the record straight...there was NO explosion.
The vehicle was destroyed by aerodynamic and mechanical forces when
the right SRB broke free from the vehicle stack. In the process of
breaking free, the nose of the right SRB breached the intertank area
of the ET and poked a hole in the bottom of the Oxygen tank. The
oxygen ignited, which was visible as a yellow glow between the Orbiter
and the ET. The destruction sequence had already begun at the time the
glow became visible. Also in
the process of breaking free, the SRB knocked the right wing off the
Orbiter, and when the SRB broke free, the thrust imbalance between the
right and left sides on the ET caused the aft dome weld to fail, thus
releasing all of the Liquid Hydrogen from the ET.

Bill Ferreira
former TV Producer/Director
Taft Broadcasting (NASA JSC TV Contractor)
current Instructor of Communications
Houston Community College"

Wel, well, well, a little Hollywood in there after all.

Notice that Bill gives no *time* for when "the SRB knocked the right
wing off the Orbiter" and no *camera number* for this event,

In the sequence he descibes, shouldn't that be easily visible here?

<http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v1p28.htm>

Or even here?

<http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v1p29.htm>

I think a whole bunch of turnips fell off that NASA truck.

JTM
maxson@mission51l.com
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:36 am
Guest
On Feb 18, 6:39 am, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com>
wrote:
Quote:
See <http://tinyurl.com/yoj3jp>:

"The *news-babble* as you put it didn't think to slow-motion the video
and watch the progression of the vehicle destruction, something which
I did the next morning for the NASA engineers at JSC. For better or
worse, we all had secret clearances, and were told that the accident
investigation was *secret* until information was officially released
by the Presidential Commission."

This might explain why Jay Greene clammed up so fast after impounding
all that telemetry data. Can you confirm this, CT?

I've had a request in to my Senator to clear up all the confusion
about classified 51-L FOIA data since January 4 of this year. The only
thing I've found out so far is that her staff was going to NASA
Headquarters via the Commerce Committee's legislative liaison
attorney, That committee has NASA oversight. Several items in the JSC
Index for the 51-L repository at JSC are labeled "sensitive."

In years immediately after the disaster, I was repeatedly told by
staff for various Senators that there was "nothing classified" about
Challenger.

However, beginning immediately after GWB's election, I have been
unable to get a FOIA request filled by JSC.

JTM
maxson@mission51l.com
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:54 am
Guest
On Feb 23, 7:36 am, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com>
wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 18, 6:39 am, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com
wrote:

See <http://tinyurl.com/yoj3jp>:

"The *news-babble* as you put it didn't think to slow-motion the video
and watch the progression of the vehicle destruction, something which
I did the next morning for the NASA engineers at JSC. For better or
worse, we all had secret clearances, and were told that the accident
investigation was *secret* until information was officially released
by the Presidential Commission."

This might explain why Jay Greene clammed up so fast after impounding
all that telemetry data. Can you confirm this, CT?

If it was all about "groupthink" blame, why the need for secrecy? The
same can be asked about Gehman's investigation of the Columbia
disaster.

JTM
BradGuth
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:55 pm
Guest
Why do you think there's still no public access to shuttle cabin
interior audio, on launch or in LEO as it maneuvers into parking at
ISS or upon leaving ISS?
.. - Brad Guth


maxson@mission51l.com wrote:
Quote:
See <http://tinyurl.com/yoj3jp>:

"The *news-babble* as you put it didn't think to slow-motion the video
and watch the progression of the vehicle destruction, something which
I did the next morning for the NASA engineers at JSC. For better or
worse, we all had secret clearances, and were told that the accident
investigation was *secret* until information was officially released
by the Presidential Commission."

I have to wonder if Bill lived in a vacuum. Dan Rather had slow-motion
video up (with an expert narrating) immediately after the Speakes
press conference. That was at least two hours before the Moore news
conference at 4:15 pm (all on launch day).

From <http://tinyurl.com/33wzob>:

"First of all, let's set the record straight...there was NO explosion.
The vehicle was destroyed by aerodynamic and mechanical forces when
the right SRB broke free from the vehicle stack. In the process of
breaking free, the nose of the right SRB breached the intertank area
of the ET and poked a hole in the bottom of the Oxygen tank. The
oxygen ignited, which was visible as a yellow glow between the Orbiter
and the ET. The destruction sequence had already begun at the time the
glow became visible. Also in
the process of breaking free, the SRB knocked the right wing off the
Orbiter, and when the SRB broke free, the thrust imbalance between the
right and left sides on the ET caused the aft dome weld to fail, thus
releasing all of the Liquid Hydrogen from the ET.

Bill Ferreira
former TV Producer/Director
Taft Broadcasting (NASA JSC TV Contractor)
current Instructor of Communications
Houston Community College"

Wel, well, well, a little Hollywood in there after all.

Notice that Bill gives no *time* for when "the SRB knocked the right
wing off the Orbiter" and no *camera number* for this event,

In the sequence he descibes, shouldn't that be easily visible here?

http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v1p28.htm

Or even here?

http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v1p29.htm

I think a whole bunch of turnips fell off that NASA truck.

JTM
maxson@mission51l.com
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:51 am
Guest
On Mar 7, 7:55 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Why do you think there's still no public access to shuttle cabin
interior audio, on launch or in LEO as it maneuvers into parking at
ISS or upon leaving ISS?

From Reagan's "Teacher in Space" hypocrisy to GWB's "No Child Left
Behind" hoodwink, there has been no mandate for top-notch technical
direction and manning in *open* NASA PAO and NASA FOIA offices. The
predictable result has been taxpayer apathy toward learning from
space. Hence Barack Obama didn't get hurt much in Texas when he
suggested better use of taxpayer funding for the space shuttle program
would be high-speed internet access for everybody.

While Haller rants endlessly about the shuttle's design deficiencies,
no one steps up to the plate with the facts about all the redundancy
built into the shuttle, and all the margin provided for safety during
first-stage. He talks about "accidents" as if "unintentional" is not
part of the definition. Haller's motives are transparent. Like Obama,
he has some credibility when he talks about more practical ways to
have spent the shuttle money wasted by the Reagan/Bush/Bush
administrations.

JTM
 
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