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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:16 am |
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JW will love this one...
Quote: From CNN's website:
"Tax dodgers taunt police from hilltop compoundStory Highlights
Convicted tax evaders Ed and Elaine Brown are barricaded in their
compound
The couple taunts police with references to 1992 Ruby Ridge shootout
Tense neighbors in New Hampshire fear the standoff could end
violently.
PLAINFIELD, New Hampshire (AP) -- To avoid serving prison sentences
for tax evasion, Ed Brown and his wife, Elaine, have locked themselves
off from the world on their own terms.
Ed and Elaine Brown explain themelves at a news conference.
Quote: From behind the 8-inch concrete walls of their 110-acre hilltop
compound, the couple taunt police and SWAT teams and play to reporters
and government-haters with references to past standoffs that turned
deadly.
Residents want the Browns' circus to end before their small town along
the Connecticut River becomes the next Ruby Ridge or Waco.
The Browns raised the specter of the first case, the 1992 shootout at
an Idaho property called Ruby Ridge, by holding a news conference
Monday with Randy Weaver, whose wife and child were killed there along
with a deputy U.S. marshal.
Ed Brown warned authorities they wouldn't take him alive: "We either
walk out of here free or we die."
The Browns were sentenced in absentia to 63-month prison sentences in
April, after being convicted of conspiring to evade taxes on nearly
$1.9 million in Elaine Brown's income and of plotting to disguise
large financial transactions.
Though they have refused to leave the compound, U.S. Marshal Stephen
Monier insists he has no plans to raid it to make them serve their
time and will instead seek a peaceful surrender.
Expert observers praise the authorities' hands-off approach, but
patience is wearing thin for Plainfield's 2,400 residents. Town
selectmen recently asked Monier to stop the influx of militiamen and
other anti-government groups to the Browns' home and to bring the
couple to justice.
"While we understand and support efforts to achieve a quiet resolution
to this matter, the longer the Browns remain at large the better the
chance, in our view, that our local police force will be involved in
an incident with them or their group of supporters," the letter reads.
"In short, we believe that it is time that definitive action be
taken."
It's a sentiment echoed throughout the town.
"The people of Plainfield feel the whole thing has been mismanaged
from the get-go," says Stephen Taylor, a Plainfield native who is
state agriculture commissioner. "He's got this band of loonies up
there right now. There's this constant traffic and helicopters
overhead and everything. Goddamn crazies."
The town south of bustling Lebanon has a "live-and-let-live"
reputation that no one wants linked to the Browns, Taylor said.
"Everybody feels a tiny bit of embarrassment. This is what we're going
to be known for?" Taylor said. "We don't want to be known for this."
The Browns' home on an isolated dirt roads includes a turret that
offers a 360-degree view of the property and a driveway that is
sometimes barricaded with SUVs.
Ed Brown, a retired exterminator, and his wife, a dentist, have
bragged that the compound is self-sufficient and capable of running
entirely on solar, wind and geothermal energies.
While saying repeatedly that he has no interest in harming the Browns
or their supporters, Monier has not said what he does plan to do.
He says the massive law enforcement turnout on June 7, complete with
roadblocks and planes, was for surveillance of the compound while
agents seized the Lebanon building that housed Elaine Brown's dental
practice.
But Ed Brown and many town residents believe it was a botched raid
that apparently had to be called off when someone walking a dog
stumbled onto federal agents in camouflage near the home.
"We were much better off before the federal government tried to take
him into custody and it didn't go well," fumed town administrator
Steve Halleran. "The fervor had died down. That was one of the things
we were hoping, that people would go on to other things. But that's
all by the wayside."
Weaver's news conference with the couple only added to local
frustrations.
"That must've been a first. We've never really seen convicted felons
just be able to hold press conferences," Halleran said. "There has to
be a restriction of access to and from their property. If people can
continue to visit them, to bring them supplies, with diesel fuel and
food, they can stay there for a long time."
Brown neighbor David Grobe, a former patient of Elaine Brown, just
wants the dirt road to be silent again. He said satellite news trucks
parked at a softball field for Monday's news conference at the same
time residents wanted to play.
"This used to be a very quiet street," he said.
Sitting in lawn chairs around the Browns' long gravel driveway, the
couple's supporters rail against Freemasons, the Illuminati, the
Federal Reserve, the Vatican and the mainstream media.
Some defend the Browns' claim -- repeatedly rejected by courts -- that
no law authorizes the federal income tax and that the 1913
constitutional amendment permitting it was never properly ratified.
"The income tax can take more than the Mafia can with a machine gun.
Believe me," said Alfred Liseo of Meriden, Connecticut.
"The Mafia doesn't have popular support," interrupted Bill Walker.
"The government has support of millions of ignorant people who have
the wool pulled over their eyes. They think they need to pay. They
don't."
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End of CNN quote.
Every sane adult knows that you don't have to pay taxes...but most of
us realize that if we don't, we will almost assuredly end up in a
federal prison and have all of our assets seized. Tough
decision! :-)
What strikes me as an indication of the bizarre beliefs of the Browns
is that they also are agains the Fremasons (arguably one of the most
beneficial groups that has ever existed) and the Federal Reserve.
Clearly, these folks don't need a lawer so much as they need a
psychiatrist.
Harry C. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:45 am |
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What does this have to do with hydrogen?
Everyone knows this is a group dedicated to hydrogen energy sources.
So, I think YOU need a psychaitrist for figuring out why you posted it
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:23 pm |
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Willie, some of your posts seem to make sense, others don't pass the
test of sensible or educated logic. Else, you must be very new to this
newsgroup, since you are objecting to a post on the subject of tax
evasion, which one of the most frequent and most clueless posters on
the newsgroup posts to contantly. Kid, you must be new here on
sci.energy.hydrogen.
Realize that since it's origination, this newsgroup has attracted
posts from every wacko that was able to access the newsgroups. It can
be safely stated, that amy of the clueless posting here know nothing
about hydrogen.
Perphaps you that you don't seem to relate to the fact hydrogen is not
a power source here on earth, simply because in its elemental form, it
is extremely rare. Most of the hydrogn found on earth has already
been reacted, and yielded it's chemical energy. You have to invest
the energy from another source to produce it.
Production of instrinsic hydrogen requires more energy than its
combusion yields...a no brainer to most educated people.
Perhaps it is you that requires a psychaitrist or scientist to explain
these facts to you, since you evidently appear to go in both
directions, depending on which way the wind is blowing. The facts are
quite simple. You get nothing for nothing. Anyone that believes
otherwise is, by definition, and ignorant kook.
You cannot make any significant or useful quantities of hydrogen
without either detracting from our energy or food supply. You appear
to want it both ways, which inclines me to either believe that you are
uneducated, or else psychotic. Sadly, the fact is that there is no
instrinsic hydrogen in quantity here on earth. This means that you
have to expend much more valuable electrical sources of energy to
produce it, or detract from the food chain to supply the chemical
energy.
Actually Moo, I really don't believe that you are psychotic, although
you could well be. From you earlier posts that seem to reflect
concerns about the food supply, simply picture what a large array of
solar collectors locate in central America would detract from the food
supply from one of the most fetile areas on earth. Then, simply go fom
that to deduce the results. I really don't believe you to be psychotic
or clueless, although I suspect that you may lack the sopistication to
run the numbers matematically and understand the consequences.
Moo, no offense intended. If you would like to discuss the subject
offline, my email address is hhc3141@yahoo.com.
Harry C.
Your call.
Harry C.
p.s., Moo, I've been monitoring this newsgroup since a week after it's
creation and guess what? In all these years I've never seen a post
regarding the production, storage, and application of hydrogen to any
energy application that has ever made any sense to any scientifically
educated reader. Not even one, in over ten years. That's a fact that
you can take to the bank. If you want to toss insults around, learn to
post with the big guys who usually post backup for their ridiculous
claims made for hydrogen energy... It's hard to come back with a
factual retort to a post not having any basis but some clueless arm
waving.
On Jun 22, 10:45 am, Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: What does this have to do with hydrogen?
Everyone knows this is a group dedicated to hydrogen energy sources.
So, I think YOU need a psychaitrist for figuring out why you posted it
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