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| William Horatio Bates |
 Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:09 am |
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Mike T,
I am interested in a statement you made earlier -
"Bad vision causes strain. Strain doesn't cause bad vision."
How do you measure that? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:41 pm |
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On Jun 12, 8:09 am, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com>
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Quote: Mike T,
I am interested in a statement you made earlier -
"Bad vision causes strain. Strain doesn't cause bad vision."
How do you measure that?
On the Richter scale, about 6.9 |
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| otisbrown@pa.net |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:57 pm |
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Dear Dr. W. H. Bates,
Since you were kicked out of a medical school for
your expressed opinion, (by your book), the
majority-opinion people here consider you discredited.
I doubt that you will get an intelligent response.
Otis
On Jun 12, 8:09 am, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Quote: Mike T,
I am interested in a statement you made earlier -
"Bad vision causes strain. Strain doesn't cause bad vision."
How do you measure that? |
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:08 pm |
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On Jun 12, 5:57 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
Quote: Dear Dr. W. H. Bates,
Since you were kicked out of a medical school for
your expressed opinion, (by your book), the
majority-opinion people here consider you discredited.
I doubt that you will get an intelligent response.
Otis
Now this is getting downright frightening.
Since Uncle Otie HAS NO demonstrated sense of humor, that leads one to
conclude that he genuinely doesn't realize that Bates is ... uh ...
dead.
Has been since 1931. |
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:09 pm |
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On Jun 12, 6:08 pm, Neil Brooks <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jun 12, 5:57 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
Dear Dr. W. H. Bates,
Since you were kicked out of a medical school for
your expressed opinion, (by your book), the
majority-opinion people here consider you discredited.
I doubt that you will get an intelligent response.
Otis
Now this is getting downright frightening.
Since Uncle Otie HAS NO demonstrated sense of humor, that leads one to
conclude that he genuinely doesn't realize that Bates is ... uh ...
dead.
Has been since 1931.
Just to get the Google message ID out there ... for when he ... uh ...
realizes his mistake and erases the post:
1181696269.269435.79680@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com
It'll still appear on other groups that pull from Usenet. |
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| Mike Tyner |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:36 pm |
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"William Horatio Bates" <Kyazekage@googlemail.com> wrote
Quote: I am interested in a statement you made earlier -
"Bad vision causes strain. Strain doesn't cause bad vision."
How do you measure that?
In the textbooks they measure it as the incidence of asthenopia.
You would be surprised how often bad vision exists without asthenopia.
-MT |
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| otisbrown@pa.net |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:11 pm |
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Here is what happens to ANY medical person who
"objects" to the grinding majority-opinion that
a negative refractive STATE of the fundamental
eye can not be PREVENTED.
Bates> Between 1886 and 1891 I was a lecturer at the Post Graduate
Hospital and Medical School. The head of the institution was Dr.
D. B. St. John Roosa. He was the author of many books, and was
honored and respected by the whole medical profession. At the
school they had got the habit of putting glasses on the
nearsighted doctors, and I had got the habit of curing them
without glasses. It was naturally annoying to a man who had put
glasses on a student to have him appear at a lecture without them
and say that Dr. Bates had cured him. Dr. Roosa found it
particularly annoying, and the trouble reached a climax one
evening at the annual banquet of the faculty when, in the presence
of one hundred and fifty doctors, he suddenly poured out the vials
of his wrath upon-my head.
He said that I was injuring the reputation of the Post
Graduate by claiming to cure myopia. Every one knew that Donders
said it was incurable, and I had no right to claim that I knew
more than Donders. I reminded him that some of the men I had
cured had been fitted with glasses by himself. He replied that if
he had said they had myopia he had made a mistake. I suggested
further investigation. "Fit some more doctors with glasses for
myopia," I said, "and I will cure them. It is easy for you to
examine them afterwards and see if the cure is genuine." This
method did not appeal to him, however. He repeated that it was
impossible to cure myopia, and to prove that it was impossible he
expelled me from the Post Graduate, even the privilege of
resignation being denied to me.
The fact is that, except in rare cases, man is not a
reasoning being. He is dominated by authority, and when the facts
are not in accord with the view imposed by authority, so much the
worse for the facts. They may, and indeed must, win in the long
run; but in the meantime the world gropes needlessly in darkness
and endures much suffering that might have been avoided.
Dr. W. H. B.
Moral of this story in two parts:
1. You can never "win".
2. Read #1
Otis
On Jun 12, 8:57 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
Quote: Dear Dr. W. H. Bates,
Since you were kicked out of a medical school for
your expressed opinion, (by your book), the
majority-opinion people here consider you discredited.
I doubt that you will get an intelligent response.
Otis
On Jun 12, 8:09 am, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com
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Mike T,
I am interested in a statement you made earlier -
"Bad vision causes strain. Strain doesn't cause bad vision."
How do you measure that?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text - |
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:19 pm |
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On Jun 12, 7:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
Quote: Here is what happens to ANY medical person who
"objects" to the grinding majority-opinion that
a negative refractive STATE of the fundamental
eye can not be PREVENTED.
[snip]
So ... ARE you aware that he's dead -- long dead??
And ... is it just a coincidence that WH Bates seemed to have suffered
from mental illness, too? [1]
Do you feel like he was a kindred spirit to you, Uncle Otie?
[1] http://www.i-see.org/bates_obit.html |
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| Ms.Brainy |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:45 pm |
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On Jun 12, 7:19 pm, Neil Brooks <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jun 12, 7:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
Here is what happens to ANY medical person who
"objects" to the grinding majority-opinion that
a negative refractive STATE of the fundamental
eye can not be PREVENTED.
[snip]
So ... ARE you aware that he's dead -- long dead??
And ... is it just a coincidence that WH Bates seemed to have suffered
from mental illness, too? [1]
Do you feel like he was a kindred spirit to you, Uncle Otie?
[1]http://www.i-see.org/bates_obit.html
So that you'll know: Otis will come again and again and will never
give up. Like Bates and Kepler he's got what it takes to be an
original and genuine great prophet, who never gets tired of telling
the truth. For the truth he speaks he will repeatedly cut, copy and
paste the same prophecy and will not get discouraged by the fact that
nobody listens. You can ridicule him, but he will bounce back. This
is the power of greatness!
Ms. Brainy
Defendant for Otis
and
All Dead Great Men
v.
First Opinioners
and
The Medical Establishment |
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| Nicolaas Hawkins |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:50 pm |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:19:36 -0700, Neil Brooks <neil0502@yahoo.com>
wrote in <news:1181701176.282701.308580@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
Quote: On Jun 12, 7:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
Here is what happens to ANY medical person who
"objects" to the grinding majority-opinion that
a negative refractive STATE of the fundamental
eye can not be PREVENTED.
[snip]
So ... ARE you aware that he's dead -- long dead??
And ... is it just a coincidence that WH Bates seemed to have suffered
from mental illness, too? [1]
Do you feel like he was a kindred spirit to you, Uncle Otie?
[1] http://www.i-see.org/bates_obit.html
Did it occur to you that it is not Brown posting but a clever
impersonator?
--
Nicolaas.
2007 Pricelessware CD now available. 600Mb of the best of the best in
Freeware. E-Mail me for details.
.... Losing your temper doesn't get rid of it. |
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:55 pm |
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On Jun 12, 7:50 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:
Quote: Did it occur to you that it is not Brown posting but a clever
impersonator?
Yes, but ... you can verify for yourself: It's lovable, old Uncle Otie. |
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| Nicolaas Hawkins |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:13 pm |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:55:12 -0700, Neil Brooks <neil0502@yahoo.com>
wrote in <news:1181703312.513197.296490@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
Quote: On Jun 12, 7:50 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:
Did it occur to you that it is not Brown posting but a clever
impersonator?
Yes, but ... you can verify for yourself: It's lovable, old Uncle Otie.
I really don't care about him enough to be bothered, Neil, being on the
other side of the world -- but I really did think that any attempt at wit,
however weak, was right out of character.
--
Nicolaas.
2007 Pricelessware CD now available. 600Mb of the best of the best in
Freeware. E-Mail me for details.
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:40 pm |
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On Jun 12, 9:13 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:
Quote: I really don't care about him enough to be bothered, Neil, being on the
other side of the world
I think I'm fond of you, Nicholaas  |
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| Nicolaas Hawkins |
| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:44 am |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:40:04 -0700, Neil Brooks <neil0502@yahoo.com>
wrote in <news:1181709604.019803.271920@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
Quote: On Jun 12, 9:13 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:
I really don't care about him enough to be bothered, Neil, being on the
other side of the world
I think I'm fond of you, Nicholaas
<Hmmmm>
:-)
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Nicolaas.
2007 Pricelessware CD now available. 600Mb of the best of the best in
Freeware. E-Mail me for details.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:46 am |
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On Jun 12, 8:57 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
Quote: Dear Dr. W. H. Bates,
Since you were kicked out of a medical school for
your expressed opinion, (by your book), the
majority-opinion people here consider you discredited.
I doubt that you will get an intelligent response.
Otis
On Jun 12, 8:09 am, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Mike T,
I am interested in a statement you made earlier -
"Bad vision causes strain. Strain doesn't cause bad vision."
How do you measure that?
I would like to get your intelligent responses to the questions that i
keep asking you on this forum Otis. why do you keep ducking and
running anything anyone asks you to back-up what you say? your
credibility in this forum has gone from zero to negative numbers since
you are unable to support your point-of-view with ANY data on humans,
and unable to explain why all the human data that has been collected
on plus prevention and overminusing clearly shows that the "dynamic
human fundamental eye" (your strange terminology, not mine) DOES NOT
function as you say it does!
furthermore you can't even prove that you are the retired engineer
that you claim to be.
you are like Kaze (=WH Bates, etc. etc.). just a troll who keeps
coming back over and over again.
no life huh? sad and pathetic. just go down to the senior center and
play cards with your friends. |
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