Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm

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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm


great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm

great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines, like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm

great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince

Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm

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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm

great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince

No vaccine is being forced on anyone in the US.

I am not aware of any studies that suggest that the HPV vaccine only
performs slightly better than a placebo. Can you please cite some
references?

Thanks.

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Alot of people would die....
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm
great bit of propaganda
if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines
It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.
The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.
Your ignorance shines again, John.
Jeff
Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince
No vaccine is being forced on anyone in the US.

I am not aware of any studies that suggest that the HPV vaccine only
performs slightly better than a placebo. Can you please cite some
references?

Thanks.

Jeff- Hide quoted text -

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Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US,

they are required to enter school .To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate.

journal raised questions about the effectiveness of
Gardasil .According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details here
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=67980&nfid=rssfeeds
Thanks Vince

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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm

great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince

No vaccine is being forced on anyone in the US.

I am not aware of any studies that suggest that the HPV vaccine only
performs slightly better than a placebo. Can you please cite some
references?

Thanks.

Jeff- Hide quoted text -

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Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US, Many times
they are required to enter school .To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate. A resent article in the Wall street
journal raised questions about the effectiveness of
Gardasil .According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details herehttp://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=67980&nfid=rss...
Thanks Vince- Hide quoted text -

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On Apr 25, 6:52 pm, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote:

"bigvince" <Vince.Mirag...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 6:29 pm, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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Alot of people would die....

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm

great bit of propaganda

if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines

It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.

The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.

Your ignorance shines again, John.

Jeff

Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince

No vaccine is being forced on anyone in the US.

I am not aware of any studies that suggest that the HPV vaccine only
performs slightly better than a placebo. Can you please cite some
references?

Thanks.

Jeff- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US, Many times
they are required to enter school .To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate. A resent article in the Wall street
journal raised questions about the effectiveness of
Gardasil .According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details herehttp://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=67980&nfid=rss...
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So that 14% less of a chance isn't worth it?
That's an extra 14 lives out of 100. I would say it is well worth the
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bigvince wrote:
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Alot of people would die....
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/fs/gen/WhatIfStop.htm
great bit of propaganda
if people stopped vaccinating the CDC would be out of a job, its main
function is flogging vaccines
It main function is controlling and preventing diseases. Although it does
a
lot of work with vaccination, if vaccination were stopped, it would have
a
lot more work to do because it would be spending a lot of time and money
tracking outbreaks of diseases that are easily prevented with vaccines as
well as tracking all the resulting deaths.
The CDC does a lot of stuff: It does tons of statistics on all types of
diseases, not just infectious diseases. It does a lot of work with
infectious diseases that aren't controlled or prevented with vaccines,
like
Ebola, TB and AIDS. The CDC does a lot more than just vaccination.
Your ignorance shines again, John.
Jeff
Jeff recently questions have been raised about the effectiveness of
the HPV vaccines. Do you really believe that a vaccine that only
preforms slightly better than a placebo should be forced on all girls
age 12. Thanks vince
No vaccine is being forced on anyone in the US.

I am not aware of any studies that suggest that the HPV vaccine only
performs slightly better than a placebo. Can you please cite some
references?

Thanks.

Jeff- Hide quoted text -

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Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US,

Absolutely incorrect. I assume that you know the meaning of "mandate"
and "forced".

Do take some time to actually prove "mandate" and "force" using real
world definitions.

A child whose parents want to take the risk of disease can home school
them and no one will force them to be vaccinated.

Of course, if parents do not want to do the work of home schooling, then
they have to play by the rules. Their unvaccinated children are at
greater risk of disease and place other, vaccinated children at risk. If
my kids were of the age of going to school, I would demand that no
unvaccinated child be allowed to attend. I play by the rules.

BTW, if you want to see what the consequences of not vaccinating are:

http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=538

Lovely that a parent puts their child through this.

Many times

they are required to enter school .To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate.

Nope. It is accurate. Parents have a choice. Like I said above, if they
want to home school, they do not have to vaccinate.

A resent article in the Wall street



journal raised questions about the effectiveness of
Gardasil .According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details here
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=67980&nfid=rss...
Thanks Vince- Hide quoted text -

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Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US, Many times
they are required to enter school .To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate.

Your numbers and conclusions are in error. Again fromhttp://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=67980&nfid=rss
. . Scott Emerson, a professor of biostatistics at the University of
Washington who sat on the FDA advisory panel that recommended approval
of Gardasil, .... "I do believe that Gardasil protects against HPV 16
and 18, but the effect it will have on cervical cancer rates in this
country is another question entirely," Emerson said, adding, "It's
almost the treating the symptom but not the disease sort of
idea" (Wall Street Journal, 4/16. So you feel that they should be
mandated for every girl in america. Certainly if you chose to take
this vaccine perhaps believing the risk benefit is good I think you
should. But when this is mandated the bar should be set higher Vince- Hide quoted text -

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So you feel that they should be mandated for every girl in america. Certainly if you >chose to take this vaccine perhaps believing the risk benefit is good I think you
should. But when this is mandated the bar should be set higher

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bigvince <Vince.Mirag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vaccines are mandated or forced in every state in the US, Many times
they are required to enter school .To say that people are not reguired
or forced on peple is inaccurate.

On the contrary, it's accurate. There are almost always exceptions
made for religious objections, and usually for 'philosophical'
objections as well.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

On Apr 27, 9:36 am, bigvince <Vince.Mirag...@gmail.com> wrote:

Your numbers and conclusions are in error. Again fromhttp://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=67980&nfid=rss
. . Scott Emerson, a professor of biostatistics at the University of
Washington who sat on the FDA advisory panel that recommended approval
of Gardasil, .... "I do believe that Gardasil protects against HPV 16
and 18, but the effect it will have on cervical cancer rates in this
country is another question entirely," Emerson said, adding, "It's
almost the treating the symptom but not the disease sort of
idea" (Wall Street Journal, 4/16. So you feel that they should be
mandated for every girl in america. Certainly if you chose to take
this vaccine perhaps believing the risk benefit is good I think you
should. But when this is mandated the bar should be set higher Vince- Hide quoted text -

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No. My numbers and conclusions were not in error.
You quoted this from your link....
"According to the Journal clinical studies have shown
precancerous lession occur only 14% less frequently in the treated
group than the untreated group. Full details here "

Which means that a young woman who has had the vaccine has a 14% less
chance of developing a precancerous lesion.

Which means....
"So that 14% less of a chance isn't worth it?
That's an extra 14 lives out of 100. I would say it is well worth the
effort."

Your thought process on your quote must be in error. Professor Emerson
believes that vaccine is something women should have. He is just
unsure of the rate it will have on preventing cervical cancer rates.
Nowhere in that statement you quoted does anyone say a woman shouldn't
have the vaccine.

So you feel that they should be mandated for every girl in america. Certainly if you >chose to take this vaccine perhaps believing the risk benefit is good I think you

should. But when this is mandated the bar should be set higher

Do I believe it should be a mandated vaccine? Yes, it should.

Now a question for you...
"How high would you like the bar to be set?"

How many lives should be lost before this "bar" can be set?
Give us a number, 1?, 5?, 10?, 20?, 100?, 1000?, more.

Give us a number of lost lives you are comfortable with.