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Big Mama Bear
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:09 am
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Don Klipstein
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:10 am
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In article <Xns98EFE1808B8B7Mama@216.196.97.142>, Big Mama Bear wrote:
Quote:
Has anyone made any night lights with Luxeon LED's yet?

I have yet to see any. Luxeons and their ilk require really low voltage
at rather high current.
Consider sticking a Luxeon on a "wall wart" and adding appropriate
current limiting. Chances are that losses will be high.
I give fair prospects for matching the luminous output of a 7-watt
incandescent with 3-3.5 watts or the output of a 4-watt incandescent with
2-2.5 watts or so. However, it appears to me that the retail price of
such a thing is not just yet quite low enough to make such a nightlight in
place of an incandescent one a better investment than tossing the extra
$-$$ into any stock index mutual fund that you should probably have.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
Victor Roberts
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:30 am
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:41:54 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com
(Don Klipstein) wrote:

Quote:
In article <Xns98EFE1808B8B7Mama@216.196.97.142>, Big Mama Bear wrote:
Has anyone made any night lights with Luxeon LED's yet?

I have yet to see any. Luxeons and their ilk require really low voltage
at rather high current.
Consider sticking a Luxeon on a "wall wart" and adding appropriate
current limiting. Chances are that losses will be high.
I give fair prospects for matching the luminous output of a 7-watt
incandescent with 3-3.5 watts or the output of a 4-watt incandescent with
2-2.5 watts or so. However, it appears to me that the retail price of
such a thing is not just yet quite low enough to make such a nightlight in
place of an incandescent one a better investment than tossing the extra
$-$$ into any stock index mutual fund that you should probably have.

Actually night lights are one of the better replacement
options for LEDs.

A 7-watt, 3000-hour night light lamp produces only 36 to 45
lumens, depending upon whether it is clear or coated.

A 4-watt, 3000-hour, clear night light lamp produces 16
lumens.

A single Luxeon Star produces a minimum of 30.6 lumens
(45 lumens typical) at a junction temperature of 25C and an
input power of 1.2 watts. Even at a more realistic junction
temperature of 80C the minimum output would still be 24
lumens. (This is based on their March 2006 data sheet, so
current performance may be better.)

A capacitive dropping circuit, as Clive has described many
times, would seem to make a high efficiency driver.

All that being said, for a 120-volt or 240-volt nigh light
application I would probably use multiple 20 ma LEDs wired
in series instead of one 350 ma Luxeon.

--
Vic Roberts
http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com
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RHRRC
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:42 am
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On 11 Mar, 05:09, Big Mama Bear <BigMamaB...@No-Spam.noo> wrote:
Quote:
Has anyone made any night lights with Luxeon LED's yet?

--
- Mama Bear

I am not sure why you ask specifically about Luxeon's but led
nightlights are manufactured in some quantity and in a variety of
styles by a number of manufacturers.
Big Mama Bear
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:48 am
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Big Mama Bear
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:49 am
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"RHRRC" <h.lewis@connect-2.co.uk> wrote :

Quote:
On 11 Mar, 05:09, Big Mama Bear <BigMamaB...@No-Spam.noo> wrote:
Has anyone made any night lights with Luxeon LED's yet?

--
- Mama Bear

I am not sure why you ask specifically about Luxeon's but led
nightlights are manufactured in some quantity and in a variety of
styles by a number of manufacturers.



Luxeons would be much brighter with just a single LED.

And as for the power conversion, why not just drive them with a capacitive
reactance for reducing the line voltage, then rectify it and filter it?



--
- Mama Bear
Clive Mitchell
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:47 pm
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In message <Xns98F06E23EFB59Mama@216.196.97.142>, Big Mama Bear
<BigMamaBear@No-Spam.noo> writes
Quote:
Luxeons would be much brighter with just a single LED.

And as for the power conversion, why not just drive them with a
capacitive reactance for reducing the line voltage, then rectify it and
filter it?

The capacitor used in a 240V light for a 20mA string of LEDs is about
330nF. For a 350mA 1W LED that would need something like a 6uF
capacitor and that's well beyond common sense in a capacitive dropper.

--
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com
Clive Mitchell
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:47 pm
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In message <Xns98F06DE63F555Mama@216.196.97.142>, Big Mama Bear
<BigMamaBear@No-Spam.noo> writes
Quote:
The main reason I want an LED luxeon night light is because the darn
filaments break in incandescent bulbs, about once every few months,
when you walk by them and it causes vibration. That's great for the
light bulb sellers but way to expensive for me.

You get plug-in LED night lights with between one and five 5mm LEDs in
them. That might not sound much, but at night it's bright.

The other option might be a small desk lamp that takes a GU10 and put an
LED lamp in it.

Or just install a GU10 downlighter with an LED lamp and have a 24 hour
nite-lite.

--
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com
Victor Roberts
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:32 pm
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:48:07 -0500, Big Mama Bear
<BigMamaBear@No-Spam.noo> wrote:

Quote:
Victor Roberts <xxx@lighting-research.com> wrote :

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:41:54 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com
(Don Klipstein) wrote:

In article <Xns98EFE1808B8B7Mama@216.196.97.142>, Big Mama Bear
wrote:
Has anyone made any night lights with Luxeon LED's yet?

I have yet to see any. Luxeons and their ilk require really low
voltage
at rather high current.
Consider sticking a Luxeon on a "wall wart" and adding appropriate
current limiting. Chances are that losses will be high.
I give fair prospects for matching the luminous output of a 7-watt
incandescent with 3-3.5 watts or the output of a 4-watt incandescent
with 2-2.5 watts or so. However, it appears to me that the retail
price of such a thing is not just yet quite low enough to make such a
nightlight in place of an incandescent one a better investment than
tossing the extra $-$$ into any stock index mutual fund that you
should probably have.

Actually night lights are one of the better replacement
options for LEDs.

A 7-watt, 3000-hour night light lamp produces only 36 to 45
lumens, depending upon whether it is clear or coated.

A 4-watt, 3000-hour, clear night light lamp produces 16
lumens.

A single Luxeon Star produces a minimum of 30.6 lumens
(45 lumens typical) at a junction temperature of 25C and an
input power of 1.2 watts. Even at a more realistic junction
temperature of 80C the minimum output would still be 24
lumens. (This is based on their March 2006 data sheet, so
current performance may be better.)

A capacitive dropping circuit, as Clive has described many
times, would seem to make a high efficiency driver.

All that being said, for a 120-volt or 240-volt nigh light
application I would probably use multiple 20 ma LEDs wired
in series instead of one 350 ma Luxeon.

What about using a small transformer?

The main reason I want an LED luxeon night light is because the darn
filaments break in incandescent bulbs, about once every few months, when
you walk by them and it causes vibration. That's great for the light
bulb sellers but way to expensive for me.

Transformers are big and heavy and, in this case,
unnecessary. LED night lights are already on the market.
Why not just buy one?

--
Vic Roberts
http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com
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replace xxx with vdr in the Reply to: address
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TKM
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:34 pm
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"Big Mama Bear" <BigMamaBear@No-Spam.noo> wrote in message
news:Xns98F06DE63F555Mama@216.196.97.142...
Quote:
Victor Roberts <xxx@lighting-research.com> wrote :

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:41:54 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com
(Don Klipstein) wrote:

In article <Xns98EFE1808B8B7Mama@216.196.97.142>, Big Mama Bear
wrote:
Has anyone made any night lights with Luxeon LED's yet?

I have yet to see any. Luxeons and their ilk require really low
voltage
at rather high current.
Consider sticking a Luxeon on a "wall wart" and adding appropriate
current limiting. Chances are that losses will be high.
I give fair prospects for matching the luminous output of a 7-watt
incandescent with 3-3.5 watts or the output of a 4-watt incandescent
with 2-2.5 watts or so. However, it appears to me that the retail
price of such a thing is not just yet quite low enough to make such a
nightlight in place of an incandescent one a better investment than
tossing the extra $-$$ into any stock index mutual fund that you
should probably have.

Actually night lights are one of the better replacement
options for LEDs.

A 7-watt, 3000-hour night light lamp produces only 36 to 45
lumens, depending upon whether it is clear or coated.

A 4-watt, 3000-hour, clear night light lamp produces 16
lumens.

A single Luxeon Star produces a minimum of 30.6 lumens
(45 lumens typical) at a junction temperature of 25C and an
input power of 1.2 watts. Even at a more realistic junction
temperature of 80C the minimum output would still be 24
lumens. (This is based on their March 2006 data sheet, so
current performance may be better.)

A capacitive dropping circuit, as Clive has described many
times, would seem to make a high efficiency driver.

All that being said, for a 120-volt or 240-volt nigh light
application I would probably use multiple 20 ma LEDs wired
in series instead of one 350 ma Luxeon.

What about using a small transformer?

The main reason I want an LED luxeon night light is because the darn
filaments break in incandescent bulbs, about once every few months, when
you walk by them and it causes vibration. That's great for the light
bulb sellers but way to expensive for me.
--
- Mama Bear

There are small fluorescent night lights too with plenty of output -- saw
them at HD. Made by GE, I think. Should last many thousands of hours.
However www.lowbluelights.com has screw-in amber LED night lights for less
than $6 that should provide plenty of light with no blue wavelengths.
Light/health research now indicates that blue wavelengths -- even at
relatively low levels -- can suppress natural night time melatonin levels
and perhaps reduce sleep quality.

Terry McGowan



Terry McGowan
Clive Mitchell
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:51 pm
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In message <QJZIh.57103$as2.45857@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
TKM <noname@no.net> writes
Quote:
Light/health research now indicates that blue wavelengths -- even at
relatively low levels -- can suppress natural night time melatonin
levels and perhaps reduce sleep quality.

Is this just quackery or is it true though.

--
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com
Nick Hull
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:58 pm
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In article <Xns98F06DE63F555Mama@216.196.97.142>,
Big Mama Bear <BigMamaBear@No-Spam.noo> wrote:

Quote:
The main reason I want an LED luxeon night light is because the darn
filaments break in incandescent bulbs, about once every few months, when
you walk by them and it causes vibration. That's great for the light
bulb sellers but way to expensive for me.

I use a dropping resistor to take about 10 volts off an incandescent nit
light bulb so the filament lasts a very long time. I have one that uses
two 7 watt bulbs in series and will probably last forever ;)

Also id you hang them there is no vibration
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TKM
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:37 pm
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"Clive Mitchell" <bigclive1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:5HMnNNZrlH9FFwRh@ntlworld.com...
Quote:
In message <QJZIh.57103$as2.45857@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, TKM
noname@no.net> writes
Light/health research now indicates that blue wavelengths -- even at
relatively low levels -- can suppress natural night time melatonin levels
and perhaps reduce sleep quality.

Is this just quackery or is it true though.

--
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

Evidence is accumulating. Several researchers in various countries have
found the effect which involves a different neural pathway than vision. An
important question, however, is the dose -- how much light, what color, when
applied, etc.

Terry McGowan
Clive Mitchell
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:51 pm
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In message <lh1Jh.139042$5j1.68713@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
TKM <noname@no.net> writes
Quote:
Evidence is accumulating. Several researchers in various countries
have found the effect which involves a different neural pathway than
vision. An important question, however, is the dose -- how much light,
what color, when applied, etc.

Hmm. My travel clock has a bright blue LED display that lights the room
at night. Maybe I'll keep it for use in any other room than a bedroom.

--
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com
Big Mama Bear
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:15 am
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Clive Mitchell <bigclive1@ntlworld.com> wrote :

Quote:
In message <Xns98F06DE63F555Mama@216.196.97.142>, Big Mama Bear
BigMamaBear@No-Spam.noo> writes
The main reason I want an LED luxeon night light is because the darn
filaments break in incandescent bulbs, about once every few months,
when you walk by them and it causes vibration. That's great for the
light bulb sellers but way to expensive for me.

You get plug-in LED night lights with between one and five 5mm LEDs
in them. That might not sound much, but at night it's bright.

The other option might be a small desk lamp that takes a GU10 and put
an LED lamp in it.

Or just install a GU10 downlighter with an LED lamp and have a 24
hour nite-lite.


What's a GU10?



--
- Mama Bear
 
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