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| Anthony Ayiomamitis |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:37 am |
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Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's backyard).
Further details including an image are available at
http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-QSO-3C273.htm .
Anthony. |
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| Paul Clark |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:59 am |
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Hi
A lovely image...
...but for example http://www.guildfordas.org/observing/quasar_episode.html
~7 billion light years (I am not a member of the Guildford AS).
There are apparently quite a few others as well as AGNs that are observed,
imaged and monitored by amateurs.
Regards
Paul
"Anthony Ayiomamitis" <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr> wrote in message
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Quote: Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's
backyard).
Further details including an image are available at
http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-QSO-3C273.htm .
Anthony. |
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| Martin Brown |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:59 am |
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On Mar 18, 2:37 pm, Anthony Ayiomamitis <anth...@perseus.no2spam.gr>
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Quote: Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's backyard).
Further details including an image are available athttp://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-QSO-3C273.htm.
It is a great shot. Unfortunately your diffraction spikes line up with
where the jet might hope to be seen (roughly diametrically oppposite
the fainter of the two close in stars. I suspect it may be beyond
impossible for amateur kit to capture by it might be interesting to
try for...
eg http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/agn/3c273.html
Regards,
Martin Brown |
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| Ben |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:55 am |
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Hi Anthony,
It's an astounding shot - Razor sharp.
I always like to show this one to the kids at star parties
and tell them it's two billion LY out there.
Keep up the good work,
Ben |
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| Ioannis |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:47 am |
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"Anthony Ayiomamitis" <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr> wrote in message
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Quote:
Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's backyard).
Further details including an image are available at
http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-QSO-3C273.htm .
Antoni, beautiful, as always. Do you by any chance have the correct image
somewhere lurking along with the inverse image? I could not find it anywhere
and I'd be interested in seeing that as well.
Thanks.
I.N. Galidakis
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/ |
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| Alan French |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:18 pm |
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"Paul Clark" <dr.clark@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Hi
A lovely image...
..but for example http://www.guildfordas.org/observing/quasar_episode.html
~7 billion light years (I am not a member of the Guildford AS).
There are apparently quite a few others as well as AGNs that are observed,
imaged and monitored by amateurs.
Regards
Paul
Here's another - Q1634+706 in Draco. Light travel distance: 9 billion light
years. Distance now: 13 billion light years. Observed in a 10" and should
be visible in an 8".
Clear skies, Alan |
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| Rich |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:25 pm |
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On Mar 18, 9:37 am, Anthony Ayiomamitis <anth...@perseus.no2spam.gr>
wrote:
Quote: Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's backyard).
Further details including an image are available athttp://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-QSO-3C273.htm.
Anthony.
I saw it in a 15" Obsession (I think) one night and I was struck by
it's blue colour, though that may have been an illusion. Fascinating
to think these things are so far away and odd at the same time. Why
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| Pierre Vandevennne |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:39 pm |
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"Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in
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Quote: to think these things are so far away and odd at the same time. Why
are there no closer quasars?
I believe the current theory is that they are the nucleus of very young
galaxies. Why there are no young galaxies in our direct neighbourhood is
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| Greg Crinklaw |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:40 pm |
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Alan French wrote:
Quote: "Paul Clark" <dr.clark@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Hi
A lovely image...
..but for example http://www.guildfordas.org/observing/quasar_episode.html
~7 billion light years (I am not a member of the Guildford AS).
There are apparently quite a few others as well as AGNs that are observed,
imaged and monitored by amateurs.
Regards
Paul
Here's another - Q1634+706 in Draco. Light travel distance: 9 billion light
years. Distance now: 13 billion light years. Observed in a 10" and should
be visible in an 8".
There is also PHL 1811, discovered in 2001. It is the second brightest
quasar (visible in a 6"):
<http://www.skyhound.com/sh/archive/mar/PHL_1811.html>
Clear skies,
Greg
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Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
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| RMOLLISE |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:07 pm |
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On Mar 18, 9:37 am, Anthony Ayiomamitis <anth...@perseus.no2spam.gr>
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Quote: Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's backyard).
Hi Anthony:
Nope.
There are a number of more distant QUASARs visible in amateur
instruments--and I don't mean 25 - 30-inch behemoth's either.
I've seen the double QUASAR (QSO 0957+561 A/B) in my humble 12.5-inch
scope (albeit from the dark skies of Prude Ranch).
This object in Ursa Major was seen (though NOT EASILY, and not
resolved as double) despite a distance that may approach 7.5 billion
LY.
Unk Rod |
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| RMOLLISE |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:09 pm |
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On Mar 18, 12:39 pm, Pierre Vandevennne <pierre@datarescue_ns.com>
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Quote: "Rich" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1174238739.599052.119610@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
to think these things are so far away and odd at the same time. Why
are there no closer quasars?
I believe the current theory is that they are the nucleus of very young
galaxies. Why there are no young galaxies in our direct neighbourhood is
left as an exercise for the reader
Hi:
Not much of an exercise. It's probable that these objects and their
galaxies are the product of the early universe. In our "modern times"
locale, you ain't gonna see QUASARs--the period of galaxy formation is
long over.
;-)
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| Pierre Vandevennne |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:18 pm |
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"RMOLLISE" <rmollise@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Quote: On Mar 18, 12:39 pm, Pierre Vandevennne <pierre@datarescue_ns.com
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"Rich" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote
innews:1174238739.599052.119610@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
to think these things are so far away and odd at the same time.
Why are there no closer quasars?
I believe the current theory is that they are the nucleus of very
young galaxies. Why there are no young galaxies in our direct
neighbourhood is left as an exercise for the reader ;-)
Hi:
Not much of an exercise. It's probable that these objects and their
galaxies are the product of the early universe. In our "modern times"
locale, you ain't gonna see QUASARs--the period of galaxy formation is
long over.
Yup. I just wanted to avoid the usual "if the universe is expanding..." or
"Einstein was wrong..." stuff.
But maybe Oriel will chime in anyway.  |
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| Anthony Ayiomamitis |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:34 pm |
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Dear Friends,
A huge thanks for the various recommendations surrounding other
interesting quasars and which I will mark down for immediate imaging.
Nevertheless, I am delighted to see the thread that has been generated
and the really cool tips (targets) that have ensued. I am quite eager to
pursue PC 1247+3406 in Canes Venatici which I think (?) is the further
quasar found so far (over 12 billion light-yrs away and at magnitude 20.4).
Can someone enlighten me how to convert the redshift to percent of the
speed of light? Also, Ioanni, I do have the regular image (white on black).
Anthony.
Paul Clark wrote:
Quote: Hi,
A lovely image...
..but for example http://www.guildfordas.org/observing/quasar_episode.html
~7 billion light years (I am not a member of the Guildford AS).
There are apparently quite a few others as well as AGNs that are observed,
imaged and monitored by amateurs.
Regards
Paul
"Anthony Ayiomamitis" <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr> wrote in message
news:etjiso$k9m$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's
backyard).
Further details including an image are available at
http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-QSO-3C273.htm .
Anthony.
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| Anthony Ayiomamitis |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:37 pm |
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Martin Brown wrote:
Quote: On Mar 18, 2:37 pm, Anthony Ayiomamitis <anth...@perseus.no2spam.gr
wrote:
Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's backyard).
Further details including an image are available athttp://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-QSO-3C273.htm.
Dear Martin,
Quote: It is a great shot. Unfortunately your diffraction spikes line up with
where the jet might hope to be seen (roughly diametrically oppposite
the fainter of the two close in stars. I suspect it may be beyond
impossible for amateur kit to capture by it might be interesting to
try for...
Great tip .... I will revisit this particular target with a longer total
exposure just in case something can be done with the jet. ;-)
Awesome!
Anthony.
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Regards,
Martin Brown
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| Paul Clark |
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:00 pm |
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Hi
Try Maurice Gavin's page for starters. Loads of good material and some
images.
http://www.astroman.fsnet.co.uk/quasars.htm
(I was looking for this to add to my first post but couldn't find it)
Good luck
Regards
Paul
"Anthony Ayiomamitis" <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr> wrote in message
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Quote: Dear Friends,
A huge thanks for the various recommendations surrounding other
interesting quasars and which I will mark down for immediate imaging.
Nevertheless, I am delighted to see the thread that has been generated and
the really cool tips (targets) that have ensued. I am quite eager to
pursue PC 1247+3406 in Canes Venatici which I think (?) is the further
quasar found so far (over 12 billion light-yrs away and at magnitude
20.4).
Can someone enlighten me how to convert the redshift to percent of the
speed of light? Also, Ioanni, I do have the regular image (white on
black).
Anthony.
Paul Clark wrote:
Hi,
A lovely image...
..but for example
http://www.guildfordas.org/observing/quasar_episode.html
~7 billion light years (I am not a member of the Guildford AS).
There are apparently quite a few others as well as AGNs that are
observed, imaged and monitored by amateurs.
Regards
Paul
"Anthony Ayiomamitis" <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr> wrote in message
news:etjiso$k9m$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
Dear Friends,
The quasar 3C273 in Virgo is the brightest visible quasar from Earth and
with a magnitude of 12.8 is also visible with average amateur equipment.
Lying at a distance of two BILLION light-years away, it is the furthest
any amateur equipment can reach (and especially right from one's
backyard).
Further details including an image are available at
http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-QSO-3C273.htm .
Anthony.
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