http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/hiv_antibody/tes...

Antibodies to the HIV virus can be detected by a screening test called
an ELISA. The ELISA test is repeated if positive.

OR

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/351/22/2286

Intradermal administration of antigens is expected to facilitate their
exposure to antigen-presenting cells, such as macrophages and
dendritic cells, which are present at higher levels in skin than in
muscle.1 Therefore, as compared with intramuscular vaccination,
intradermal vaccination may induce similar serum antibody responses
with a smaller quantity of antigen. The intradermal route has been
evaluated for influenza, rabies, and hepatitis B virus vaccines.
2,3,4,5 Brown et al. found that the intradermal administration of one
fifth of the standard dose of A/Swine/NJ/76 influenza vaccine produced
antibody titers similar to those elicited by the standard
intramuscular dose in healthy adults and resulted in fewer systemic
reactions.6 We evaluated the safety and immunogenicity of the
intradermal injection of a candidate influenza vaccine containing 6 µg
of hemagglutinin antigen per strain in two groups of adults, one 18 to
60 years of age and the other over 60 years of age. A U.S.-licensed
influenza vaccine administered intramuscularly at the standard dose
was used as the reference vaccine.

****

So.....

If you have HIV antibodies, you are a pervert, you have AIDS and will
die a miserable death.

If you have influenza antibodies, that is a sign of immunity conferred
by a vaccination, given by a health professional, and you will live a
healthy life.

TC

If you have HIV antibodies, you are a pervert, you have AIDS and will
die a miserable death.

If you have influenza antibodies, that is a sign of immunity conferred
by a vaccination, given by a health professional, and you will live a
healthy life.

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/hiv_antibody/test.html

Antibodies to the HIV virus can be detected by a screening test called
an ELISA. The ELISA test is repeated if positive.

OR

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/351/22/2286

Intradermal administration of antigens is expected to facilitate their
exposure to antigen-presenting cells, such as macrophages and
dendritic cells, which are present at higher levels in skin than in
muscle.1 Therefore, as compared with intramuscular vaccination,
intradermal vaccination may induce similar serum antibody responses
with a smaller quantity of antigen. The intradermal route has been
evaluated for influenza, rabies, and hepatitis B virus vaccines.
2,3,4,5 Brown et al. found that the intradermal administration of one
fifth of the standard dose of A/Swine/NJ/76 influenza vaccine produced
antibody titers similar to those elicited by the standard
intramuscular dose in healthy adults and resulted in fewer systemic
reactions.6 We evaluated the safety and immunogenicity of the
intradermal injection of a candidate influenza vaccine containing 6 µg
of hemagglutinin antigen per strain in two groups of adults, one 18 to
60 years of age and the other over 60 years of age. A U.S.-licensed
influenza vaccine administered intramuscularly at the standard dose
was used as the reference vaccine.

****

So.....

If you have HIV antibodies, you are a pervert, you have AIDS and will
die a miserable death.

If you have influenza antibodies, that is a sign of immunity conferred
by a vaccination, given by a health professional, and you will live a
healthy life.

"During acute HIV infection, prior to the appearance of antibody
(window period or pre-seroconversion), HIV infection can be confirmed
only by the demonstration of circulating p24 antigen, or by the
presence of viral RNA or DNA..."

This is ludicrous. "Viral RNA" is smaller than the virus itself, but
no matter what has been tried, there has never been more than a couple
of particles found (which can be found in other conditions as well),

In the case of HIV, like hepatitis B, hepatitis C, TB and other
infections, the antibody response does not control the infection. The
body mounts a response that can be deleterious.

In the case of HIV, this response results in a chronic, sustained
decline of CD+ T cells. This is AIDS.

And I have watched WAY too many friends die of AIDS.

You have NO fucking idea what you're babbling about with this
bullshit.

If you have influenza antibodies, that is a sign of immunity conferred
by a vaccination, given by a health professional, and you will live a
healthy life.

That's right, dearie. A vaccine that is EFFECTIVE stimulates immunity
so that the presence of the actual infecting agent is thwarted before
it gets a start. Undoubtedly, there is more to effective vaccination
than a humoral response and cell-mediated immune responses are also
key.

George M. Carter

"TC" <tunder...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1172167281.238073.207900@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
...

If you have HIV antibodies, you are a pervert, you have AIDS and will
die a miserable death.
If you have influenza antibodies, that is a sign of immunity conferred
by a vaccination, given by a health professional, and you will live a
healthy life.

If you have antibodies to any virus, that means that the body has been
exposed to either the virus or a protein that is present on the virus. In
the case of HIV, anitbodies against HIV usually indicates infection.

People who have HIV often live many years without advancing to AIDS. And
many people who have HIV infection are kids, were raped or got it through
adult heterosexual behavior. Having HIV doesn't make one a pervert. Some
people even got it from blood transfusions (very rare now). Having HIV
doesn't necessarily mean a miserable death.

Influenza antibodies indicate that the body has been exposed to the viruses
that cause influenza. This can be from vacciantion or from infection. Having
antibodies doesn't mean that one will have a healthy life. It may indicate
that one is immune from influenza or may be related to an impending death
from respiratory arrest.

Have a lovely day.

Jeff

The point was: Why is it that if you have HIV antibodies, you are
considered infected and potentially diseased and when you have
influenza antibodies you are considered immunized and in a strong
position health-wise?

Here is another question. HIV is transmissible by blood products after
the blood products have been chilled, separated, frozen, thawed, etc.
and eventually, sometimes months later, introduced into a foreign live
immune system. Then HIV survives the new hosts inherent immune
response. But HIV can't be isolated because the virus can't survive
the simple isolation and filtration process intact. And HIV is so
delicate that it is almost impossible to grow in vitro.

How can such a delicate retrovirus that can't survive in vitro, or
thru the simple process of isolation, survive to infect thru the
gruelling blood product processing process?

TC:

People who are more likely to have immune system problems are those
who do have a lot of antibodies. The test are non-specific, so that
"positive" results make sense, but not for the phantom "HIV."

"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ijgtt2ddqrjia32mmtue2pivok288856ri@4ax.com...
...
In the case of HIV, like hepatitis B, hepatitis C, TB and other
infections, the antibody response does not control the infection. The
body mounts a response that can be deleterious.

Hepatitis B infection can be cleared. When it isn't cleared, it becomes
chronic hepatitis B. Infection results in chronic hepatitis B in 90% of kids
who get it at birth and 6% of people over 5. Hepatitis C results in chronic
infection about 3/4 of the time (CDC says 55%-85%).

In the case of HIV, this response results in a chronic, sustained
decline of CD+ T cells. This is AIDS.

Not necessarily. There are rare cases of HIV infection where the body is
able to beat it. With proper treatment, people are able to have 10+ disease
free years.

AIDS is an HIV infection that has advanced. If someone has a CD4 count of
200 or less or one of 26 conditions along with HIV infection, then he or she
has AIDS.

And I have watched WAY too many friends die of AIDS.

You have NO fucking idea what you're babbling about with this
bullshit.

You've nailed this one.

If you have influenza antibodies, that is a sign of immunity conferred
by a vaccination, given by a health professional, and you will live a
healthy life.

That's right, dearie. A vaccine that is EFFECTIVE stimulates immunity
so that the presence of the actual infecting agent is thwarted before
it gets a start. Undoubtedly, there is more to effective vaccination
than a humoral response and cell-mediated immune responses are also
key.

George M. Carter

On 22 Feb 2007 10:01:21 -0800, "TC" <tunder...@hotmail.com> wrote:





http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/hiv_antibody/tes...

Antibodies to the HIV virus can be detected by a screening test called
an ELISA. The ELISA test is repeated if positive.

OR

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/351/22/2286

Intradermal administration of antigens is expected to facilitate their
exposure to antigen-presenting cells, such as macrophages and
dendritic cells, which are present at higher levels in skin than in
muscle.1 Therefore, as compared with intramuscular vaccination,
intradermal vaccination may induce similar serum antibody responses
with a smaller quantity of antigen. The intradermal route has been
evaluated for influenza, rabies, and hepatitis B virus vaccines.
2,3,4,5 Brown et al. found that the intradermal administration of one
fifth of the standard dose of A/Swine/NJ/76 influenza vaccine produced
antibody titers similar to those elicited by the standard
intramuscular dose in healthy adults and resulted in fewer systemic
reactions.6 We evaluated the safety and immunogenicity of the
intradermal injection of a candidate influenza vaccine containing 6 µg
of hemagglutinin antigen per strain in two groups of adults, one 18 to
60 years of age and the other over 60 years of age. A U.S.-licensed
influenza vaccine administered intramuscularly at the standard dose
was used as the reference vaccine.

****

So.....

If you have HIV antibodies, you are a pervert, you have AIDS and will
die a miserable death.

Wrong. Numerous infections may elicit an antibody response that is
ineffective in clearing that infection. In the case of an acute
infection, this can result in massive inflammatory responses and
death.

In the case of HIV, like hepatitis B, hepatitis C, TB and other
infections, the antibody response does not control the infection. The
body mounts a response that can be deleterious.

In the case of HIV, this response results in a chronic, sustained
decline of CD+ T cells. This is AIDS.

And I have watched WAY too many friends die of AIDS.

You have NO fucking idea what you're babbling about with this
bullshit.

If you have influenza antibodies, that is a sign of immunity conferred
by a vaccination, given by a health professional, and you will live a
healthy life.

That's right, dearie. A vaccine that is EFFECTIVE stimulates immunity
so that the presence of the actual infecting agent is thwarted before
it gets a start. Undoubtedly, there is more to effective vaccination
than a humoral response and cell-mediated immune responses are also
key.

George M. Carter- Hide quoted text -

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On 23 Feb 2007 14:13:07 -0800, monty1...@lycos.com wrote:

TC:

People who are more likely to have immune system problems are those
who do have a lot of antibodies. The test are non-specific, so that
"positive" results make sense, but not for the phantom "HIV."

That's a completely ridiculous statement.

These claims have been refuted or at least placed in a proper context.
SOME infectious diseases can cause a false antibody test in SOME small
percent of cases. This does not invalidate the HIV antibody test--it
merely indicates a limitation which is quite well characterized, your
conspiracy crazy nonsense notwithstanding.

George M. Carter

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:10:45 GMT, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote:

"GMCarter" <f...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ijgtt2ddqrjia32mmtue2pivok288856ri@4ax.com...
...
In the case of HIV, like hepatitis B, hepatitis C, TB and other
infections, the antibody response does not control the infection. The
body mounts a response that can be deleterious.

Hepatitis B infection can be cleared. When it isn't cleared, it becomes
chronic hepatitis B. Infection results in chronic hepatitis B in 90% of kids
who get it at birth and 6% of people over 5. Hepatitis C results in chronic
infection about 3/4 of the time (CDC says 55%-85%).

That's right. I should have said "does not necessarily" control
infection.

In the case of HIV, this response results in a chronic, sustained
decline of CD+ T cells. This is AIDS.

Not necessarily. There are rare cases of HIV infection where the body is
able to beat it. With proper treatment, people are able to have 10+ disease
free years.

Also an important point--long term non-progressors who maintain high

CD4 counts and low viral loads I think constitute about ONLY 6-8% of
HIV infected individuals. That's one of the things that makes it so
horrifying; even Ebola doesn't kill that many (though it does it so
much faster).

AIDS is an HIV infection that has advanced. If someone has a CD4 count of
200 or less or one of 26 conditions along with HIV infection, then he or she
has AIDS.

Correct.

Thanks for the additional thoughts and corrections!

George M. Carter



And I have watched WAY too many friends die of AIDS.

You have NO fucking idea what you're babbling about with this
bullshit.

You've nailed this one.

If you have influenza antibodies, that is a sign of immunity conferred
by a vaccination, given by a health professional, and you will live a
healthy life.

That's right, dearie. A vaccine that is EFFECTIVE stimulates immunity
so that the presence of the actual infecting agent is thwarted before
it gets a start. Undoubtedly, there is more to effective vaccination
than a humoral response and cell-mediated immune responses are also
key.

George M. Carter- Hide quoted text -

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