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| Sammybaby |
 Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:09 am |
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psychosurgery was 'reasonably' popular.
many asylums were unsanity and cruel places.
treatment looked a lot like torture.
drugs were incapacitating.
These programs were the creations of scientists and public officials
and companies that wanted to make money. If you were to criticize the
treatments that prominent scientists had created you would be seen as
stupid, striving to deprive the suffering from the wonders of modern
science, irrational, a sentimentalist or as being driven by some sort
of primitive religious dogma.
Would you have been defending their modalities then, just as you do
now, because they were scientists and know better than Linda or John
Jones, etc?
Now it is a blip in time later. Advances have of course been made,
but little change in the paradigm. Strong emotions are bad. people
who are suffering have individual problems not relevent to the rest of
their families or society at large. Invasive procedures are the
remedy. The problems are physical in nature.
Technology has been refined.
A much higher % of us now diagnosible - with wonderful inroads made
into addicting children to fairly powerful drugs.
People used to think freedom was something different from having the
right to choose between Nike and Puma.
Soft, creeping tyrannies. You never noticed. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:27 pm |
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Your concerns are good, but your data and conclusions are not. Notes
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"Sammybaby" <roastfreesteel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171534168.646672.239590@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote: psychosurgery was 'reasonably' popular.
many asylums were unsanity and cruel places.
treatment looked a lot like torture.
drugs were incapacitating.
Psychosurgery has never been popular, and it was only accepted for a brief
period of time. It has never been prevalent. And it was never used much
except for severe, intractible problems.
60 years ago, there were almost no drugs for treatment of psychiatric
problems. The drugs used then were major tranquilizers, such as Thorazine,
and it was sometimes incapacitating. But it did work in reducing the
delibitating effects of psychosis. I don't like to see medications being
used, personally, but they did, back then, have the benefit of allowing many
people to get out of state hospitals.
Treatment did not look like torture. On the contrary, following the social
work revolution near the beginning of the last century, treatment has been
humane and caring for some time. No picnic, but not at all like torture.
And not at all cruel.
Quote: These programs were the creations of scientists and public officials
and companies that wanted to make money. If you were to criticize the
treatments that prominent scientists had created you would be seen as
stupid, striving to deprive the suffering from the wonders of modern
science, irrational, a sentimentalist or as being driven by some sort
of primitive religious dogma.
There were relatively few private treatment facilities and there were few
scientists involved. Scientists, specifically psychologists, had become
involved after WWI, but still had little input until the 60s. Most
facilities were state-operated. There was little religious involvement at
all.
Quote: Would you have been defending their modalities then, just as you do
now, because they were scientists and know better than Linda or John
Jones, etc?
I didn't defend them then, nor do I defend them now. Then, there was little
science and little attention to the needs of individuals. Now there is
little attention to the needs for treatment; instead, a huge portion of the
mentally ill are put into the criminal justice system where there is almost
no treatment of any kind, and medications are sometimes used punitively.
Quote: Now it is a blip in time later. Advances have of course been made,
but little change in the paradigm. Strong emotions are bad. people
who are suffering have individual problems not relevent to the rest of
their families or society at large. Invasive procedures are the
remedy. The problems are physical in nature.
There have been huge advances in the paradigm, but public funding has almost
disappeared. Mental health centers have lost their ability to carry out day
treatment, psychotherapy and counseling is difficult to get. Counties and
states have classified developmentally disabled and brain injured as "mental
health" cases so that they can have numbers that make it look as if they are
serving more people, but they are not.
You can't blame psychologists, social workers, or counselors for the
problems. The drug companies have damaged all areas of treatment, not just
mental health, and the problems have been medicalized on the one hand and
made criminal on the other. The major mental health advocacy organizations
are just pawns of the drug companies and organized psychiatry.
The only way to change the system is the same was was needed a hundred years
ago: make county boards, state legislatures, all accountable. Make them pay
attention to the needs and don't let them sweep it under the rug again.
Reopen state hospitals and treatment facilities for children and adolescents
and staff them with licensed professionals.
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| Linda |
| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:20 pm |
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"Sammybaby" <roastfreesteel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171534168.646672.239590@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote: psychosurgery was 'reasonably' popular.
many asylums were unsanity and cruel places.
treatment looked a lot like torture.
drugs were incapacitating.
These programs were the creations of scientists and public officials
and companies that wanted to make money. If you were to criticize the
treatments that prominent scientists had created you would be seen as
stupid, striving to deprive the suffering from the wonders of modern
science, irrational, a sentimentalist or as being driven by some sort
of primitive religious dogma.
Would you have been defending their modalities then, just as you do
now, because they were scientists and know better than Linda or John
Jones, etc?
Now it is a blip in time later. Advances have of course been made,
but little change in the paradigm. Strong emotions are bad. people
who are suffering have individual problems not relevent to the rest of
their families or society at large. Invasive procedures are the
remedy. The problems are physical in nature.
Technology has been refined.
A much higher % of us now diagnosible - with wonderful inroads made
into addicting children to fairly powerful drugs.
People used to think freedom was something different from having the
right to choose between Nike and Puma.
Soft, creeping tyrannies. You never noticed.
I did! |
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| Linda |
| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:48 pm |
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"Sammybaby" <roastfreesteel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171534168.646672.239590@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote: psychosurgery was 'reasonably' popular.
many asylums were unsanity and cruel places.
treatment looked a lot like torture.
drugs were incapacitating.
These programs were the creations of scientists and public officials
and companies that wanted to make money. If you were to criticize the
treatments that prominent scientists had created you would be seen as
stupid, striving to deprive the suffering from the wonders of modern
science, irrational, a sentimentalist or as being driven by some sort
of primitive religious dogma.
Would you have been defending their modalities then, just as you do
now, because they were scientists and know better than Linda or John
Jones, etc?
Now it is a blip in time later. Advances have of course been made,
but little change in the paradigm. Strong emotions are bad. people
who are suffering have individual problems not relevent to the rest of
their families or society at large. Invasive procedures are the
remedy. The problems are physical in nature.
Technology has been refined.
A much higher % of us now diagnosible - with wonderful inroads made
into addicting children to fairly powerful drugs.
People used to think freedom was something different from having the
right to choose between Nike and Puma.
Soft, creeping tyrannies. You never noticed.
I did!
BTW...."certain parties" deploy "Hired Guns" aka "Whores of the Court"
aka "Forensic Psychologists/Psychiatrists" to post non-stop LIES to smear
and assassinate the character of usenet authors who post on topic articles
to instigate public discussion of issues of public interest and concern
Read exchange between the whistleblowing exhubby of a mentally deranged pdoc
and the Hired Gun deployed to do whatever was necessary to silence teh
whistleblower.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/a070aa7db25fa77d?dmode=source
--
"The wily Shafts of state, those Juggler's Tricks
Which we call deep Design and Politicks
(As in a Theatre the Ignorant Fry,
Because the Cords escape their Eye
Wonder to see the Motions fly) . . .
Methinks, when you expose the Scene,
Down the ill-organ'd Engines fall;
Off fly the Vizards and discover all,
How plain I see thro' the Deceit!
How shallow! and how gross the Cheat!. . .
Look where the Pully's ty'd above!
Oh what poor Engines move
The Thoughts of Monarchs, and Design of States,
What pretty Motives rule their Fates!. . .
Away the frighted Peasants fly,
Scar'd at th' unheard-of Prodigy. . .
Lo, it appears!
See, how they tremble! How they quake!"
Swift, Ode to the Honourable Sir William Temple, 1689. |
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| card xii |
| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:07 am |
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"Linda" <indomitable2@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Sammybaby" <roastfreesteel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171534168.646672.239590@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
psychosurgery was 'reasonably' popular.
many asylums were unsanity and cruel places.
treatment looked a lot like torture.
drugs were incapacitating.
These programs were the creations of scientists and public officials
and companies that wanted to make money. If you were to criticize the
treatments that prominent scientists had created you would be seen as
stupid, striving to deprive the suffering from the wonders of modern
science, irrational, a sentimentalist or as being driven by some sort
of primitive religious dogma.
Would you have been defending their modalities then, just as you do
now, because they were scientists and know better than Linda or John
Jones, etc?
Now it is a blip in time later. Advances have of course been made,
but little change in the paradigm. Strong emotions are bad. people
who are suffering have individual problems not relevent to the rest of
their families or society at large. Invasive procedures are the
remedy. The problems are physical in nature.
Technology has been refined.
A much higher % of us now diagnosible - with wonderful inroads made
into addicting children to fairly powerful drugs.
People used to think freedom was something different from having the
right to choose between Nike and Puma.
Soft, creeping tyrannies. You never noticed.
I did!
Of course you did. You were diagnosable.
Still are.
HARFUL!!
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| Dr. Wee Hung Lo |
| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:09 am |
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"Linda" <indomitable2@nospam.com> wrote in message
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: "Sammybaby" <roastfreesteel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:1171534168.646672.239590@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: > psychosurgery was 'reasonably' popular.
: > many asylums were unsanity and cruel places.
: > treatment looked a lot like torture.
: > drugs were incapacitating.
: >
: > These programs were the creations of scientists and public officials
: > and companies that wanted to make money. If you were to criticize
the
: > treatments that prominent scientists had created you would be seen
as
: > stupid, striving to deprive the suffering from the wonders of modern
: > science, irrational, a sentimentalist or as being driven by some
sort
: > of primitive religious dogma.
: >
: > Would you have been defending their modalities then, just as you do
: > now, because they were scientists and know better than Linda or John
: > Jones, etc?
: >
: > Now it is a blip in time later. Advances have of course been made,
: > but little change in the paradigm. Strong emotions are bad. people
: > who are suffering have individual problems not relevent to the rest
of
: > their families or society at large. Invasive procedures are the
: > remedy. The problems are physical in nature.
: >
: > Technology has been refined.
: > A much higher % of us now diagnosible - with wonderful inroads made
: > into addicting children to fairly powerful drugs.
: >
: > People used to think freedom was something different from having the
: > right to choose between Nike and Puma.
: >
: > Soft, creeping tyrannies. You never noticed.
:
: I did!
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In fact you dated a few. |
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| Dr. Wee Hung Lo |
| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:12 am |
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"Linda" <indomitable2@nospam.com> wrote in message
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: "Sammybaby" <roastfreesteel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:1171534168.646672.239590@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: > psychosurgery was 'reasonably' popular.
: > many asylums were unsanity and cruel places.
: > treatment looked a lot like torture.
: > drugs were incapacitating.
: >
: > These programs were the creations of scientists and public officials
: > and companies that wanted to make money. If you were to criticize
the
: > treatments that prominent scientists had created you would be seen
as
: > stupid, striving to deprive the suffering from the wonders of modern
: > science, irrational, a sentimentalist or as being driven by some
sort
: > of primitive religious dogma.
: >
: > Would you have been defending their modalities then, just as you do
: > now, because they were scientists and know better than Linda or John
: > Jones, etc?
: >
: > Now it is a blip in time later. Advances have of course been made,
: > but little change in the paradigm. Strong emotions are bad. people
: > who are suffering have individual problems not relevent to the rest
of
: > their families or society at large. Invasive procedures are the
: > remedy. The problems are physical in nature.
: >
: > Technology has been refined.
: > A much higher % of us now diagnosible - with wonderful inroads made
: > into addicting children to fairly powerful drugs.
: >
: > People used to think freedom was something different from having the
: > right to choose between Nike and Puma.
: >
: > Soft, creeping tyrannies. You never noticed.
: >
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: I did!
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You already said that.
Short term mem loss one of your newly found skills? |
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