Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?

Unless more comes out, I cannot see why it should affect either of them, in
fact, the  latter showed great presence of mind I thought.

Brian

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Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?

Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,
Nowak and Shipman, while his own marriage had foundered. And a moral
cheat is a moral cheat. I remember something Ross Perot once said: "If
a guy cheats on his own wife in marriage, how can I ever trust that he
won't cheat me in business?" To me, cheating on your wife or girlfriend
is ipso facto proof of duplicitous character and bad judgment, and
somebody like that shouldn't be an astronaut.

On Feb 8, 5:07?am, "Brian Gaff" <Bria...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:





Unless more comes out, I cannot see why it should affect either of them, in
fact, the ?latter showed great presence of mind I thought.

Brian

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Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?- Hide quoted text -

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I think withn a year they will be gone........

nasa will want this all forgotten.......

Just imagine Oefelein is commanding this mission
he is part of that love triangle that resulted in:(

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:14:45 GMT, "Steven L."

sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,
Nowak and Shipman, while his own marriage had foundered. And a moral
cheat is a moral cheat. I remember something Ross Perot once said: "If
a guy cheats on his own wife in marriage, how can I ever trust that he
won't cheat me in business?" To me, cheating on your wife or girlfriend
is ipso facto proof of duplicitous character and bad judgment, and
somebody like that shouldn't be an astronaut.

This all must be proven, of course. Oefelein divorced in 2005, and we
don't know how long his relationship with Shipman has been going on
(except that Nowak stalked her for months.) And what do Oefelein's
half of the email exchanges with Nowak say? They might be all
business, or they might be simple non-romantic friendship discussions.
He might have been in a good relationship with Shipman and nothing
more than a professional relationship with Nowak, and Nowak deluded
herself into seeing a lot more. We don't know yet, so no jumping to
conclusions, please.

Brian

treeleaf7@yahoo.com wrote:
Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?

First of all, Shipman is not an astronaut. She is the innocent victim here.

Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,

Nowak and Shipman, while his own marriage had foundered. And a moral
cheat is a moral cheat. I remember something Ross Perot once said: "If
a guy cheats on his own wife in marriage, how can I ever trust that he
won't cheat me in business?" To me, cheating on your wife or girlfriend
is ipso facto proof of duplicitous character and bad judgment, and
somebody like that shouldn't be an astronaut.

Then, its a very Good Thing that no one wants a rush-to-judge-with-NO-
facts goon like you placed in charge of anything...

"Andre Lieven" <dg411@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:eqfvvi$1dp$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
snip

Then, its a very Good Thing that no one wants a rush-to-judge-with-NO-
facts goon like you placed in charge of anything...

Is it essential to you that you insult people that make a statement you
disagree with?

It is one thing to disagree, it is another to constantly
resort to insults and name calling.

This is in general a civil newsgroup.

Why don't you make an effort to be civil in your disagreements?
If you like to flame, try the warez groups. Flaming is an artform over
there. You will fit right in.

But this is the internet. It is your right to accuse everyone you
disagree with of sodamizing young children and anything else you wish,

but you might
consider toning down a bit if you want people to listen to you.

In the mean time, I wish peace and happiness for you and your family.

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:14:45 GMT, "Steven L."

sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,
Nowak and Shipman, while his own marriage had foundered. And a moral
cheat is a moral cheat. I remember something Ross Perot once said: "If
a guy cheats on his own wife in marriage, how can I ever trust that he
won't cheat me in business?" To me, cheating on your wife or girlfriend
is ipso facto proof of duplicitous character and bad judgment, and
somebody like that shouldn't be an astronaut.

This all must be proven, of course. Oefelein divorced in 2005, and we
don't know how long his relationship with Shipman has been going on
(except that Nowak stalked her for months.) And what do Oefelein's
half of the email exchanges with Nowak say? They might be all
business, or they might be simple non-romantic friendship discussions.
He might have been in a good relationship with Shipman and nothing
more than a professional relationship with Nowak, and Nowak deluded
herself into seeing a lot more. We don't know yet, so no jumping to
conclusions, please.

Brian

"Steven L." (sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net) writes:
treele...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?

First of all, Shipman is not an astronaut. She is the innocent victim here.

You MS-spelled " AN innocent victim... ".

Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,

No proof offered ? Claim fails.

Nowak and Shipman, while his own marriage had foundered. And a moral
cheat is a moral cheat. I remember something Ross Perot once said: "If
a guy cheats on his own wife in marriage, how can I ever trust that he
won't cheat me in business?" To me, cheating on your wife or girlfriend
is ipso facto proof of duplicitous character and bad judgment, and
somebody like that shouldn't be an astronaut.

Then, its a very Good Thing that no one wants a rush-to-judge-with-NO-
facts goon like you placed in charge of anything...

As yet, there is simply NO evidence that Nowak's desire for Oefelein
was in any way reciprocated by him, or even *known* to him.

I prefer to await FACTS before condemning people. The FACTS over
what Nowak did, and had with her, to do more, are in.

Andre

On Feb 8, 12:08 pm, d...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote:
"Steven L." (sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net) writes:
treele...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?

First of all, Shipman is not an astronaut. She is the innocent victim here.

You MS-spelled " AN innocent victim... ".

Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,

No proof offered ? Claim fails.

Nowak and Shipman, while his own marriage had foundered. And a moral
cheat is a moral cheat. I remember something Ross Perot once said: "If
a guy cheats on his own wife in marriage, how can I ever trust that he
won't cheat me in business?" To me, cheating on your wife or girlfriend
is ipso facto proof of duplicitous character and bad judgment, and
somebody like that shouldn't be an astronaut.

Then, its a very Good Thing that no one wants a rush-to-judge-with-NO-
facts goon like you placed in charge of anything...

As yet, there is simply NO evidence that Nowak's desire for Oefelein
was in any way reciprocated by him, or even *known* to him.

I prefer to await FACTS before condemning people. The FACTS over
what Nowak did, and had with her, to do more, are in.

Andre

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250851,00.html

Other Man's Mother-in-Law: Nowak Broke Up My Daughter's Marriage

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - The star-crossed space cadet who allegedly
made it her mission to murder the woman dating her Cape Canaveral
crush helped break up his 17-year marriage, his former mother-in-law
said yesterday.

Shuttle pilot Bill Oefelein's ex-wife's mom claimed yesterday that
Lisa Nowak's gravitations toward the flyboy caused his marriage to
crash and burn in 2005.

She said their relationship devastated his wife, Michaella, who filed
for divorce.

"She broke my daughter's heart," Charlene Davis said by phone from
Kona, Hawaii.