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gb6724@yahoo.com
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:31 pm
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A gas tank full (15 gallons) with water can run a 50hp car engine
(from hydrogen) for 6 hours.

But there is no distinction in this measurement between fuel cell and
fuel injection.

BMW already came out with a hydrogen fuel-injection car, selling for 1
million
in California.

http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/vehicle.jsp?vehicletype=concept&autoshowyear=2007&vehicle=concept_bmw_7hydrogen&make=BMW&model=Hydrogen+7+Prototype

To process one gallon of water into hydrogen is 15600 watts-hour
(21hp).

If a 420hp car spends 210hp to process hydrogen (say two engines),
then 10 gallons of water is processed in an hour, allowing a 50hp
engine
to run for 4 hours or a 200hp engine to run for one hour.

Of course, the calculation of how much energy is in water was made in
reverse first, but again, no distinction is made between hydrogen
fuel cell energy and hydrogen fuel-injection energy. The BMW engine
showed less horsepower (acceleration) when using hydrogen, but
perhaps the horsepower is used for other things. BMW claims there
is no difference in power.

When mixing hydrogen from gasoline (right in the gas tank) according
to a company, the car gains 20-30 percent better fuel consumption
(I assume from the added power).

I assume there is potential power because fuel-injection (combustion)
is known to be able to produce more horsepowers than electric engines.

The energies produced by hydrogen fuel cell seem to match the
prediction of 10 gallons of water can run a 50hp car for 4 hours.
But how that applies to hydrogen fuel-injection engines is what
made me speculate. I originally predicted a 2-3 times greater
horsepower potential compared to hydrogen fuel-cell technologies.

To get 10 gallons of water in 4 hours is requires 17.36 horsepowers.

To process 10 gallons of water into hydrogen in 4 hours
requires 52.28 horsepowers. Again, slightly above the 50
horsepowers.
gb6724@yahoo.com
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:17 pm
Guest
On Feb 11, 6:31 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
A gas tank full (15 gallons) with water can run a 50hp car engine
(from hydrogen) for 6 hours.

But there is no distinction in this measurement between fuel cell and
fuel injection.

BMW already came out with a hydrogen fuel-injection car, selling for 1
million
in California.

http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/vehicle.jsp?vehicletype=con...

To process one gallon of water into hydrogen is 15600 watts-hour
(21hp).

If a 420hp car spends 210hp to process hydrogen (say two engines),
then 10 gallons of water is processed in an hour, allowing a 50hp
engine
to run for 4 hours or a 200hp engine to run for one hour.

Of course, the calculation of how much energy is in water was made in
reverse first, but again, no distinction is made between hydrogen
fuel cell energy and hydrogen fuel-injection energy. The BMW engine
showed less horsepower (acceleration) when using hydrogen, but
perhaps the horsepower is used for other things. BMW claims there
is no difference in power.

When mixing hydrogen from gasoline (right in the gas tank) according
to a company, the car gains 20-30 percent better fuel consumption
(I assume from the added power).

I assume there is potential power because fuel-injection (combustion)
is known to be able to produce more horsepowers than electric engines.

The energies produced by hydrogen fuel cell seem to match the
prediction of 10 gallons of water can run a 50hp car for 4 hours.
But how that applies to hydrogen fuel-injection engines is what
made me speculate. I originally predicted a 2-3 times greater
horsepower potential compared to hydrogen fuel-cell technologies.

To get 10 gallons of water in 4 hours is requires 17.36 horsepowers.

To process 10 gallons of water into hydrogen in 4 hours
requires 52.28 horsepowers. Again, slightly above the 50
horsepowers.

If 40 percent of the energy is lost when making hydrogen,
there is enough hydrogen to run a 30 horsepower engine
instead of the 50 horsepower engine for 6 hours.

However when not using hydrogen fuel cell to generate
that 30 electric horsepowers but using the hydrogen
as a fuel-injection (combustion), then that hydrogen
is sufficient to run a 60 horsepower hydrogen fuel injection
engine for 6 hours. 20 percent energy is made as
fuel-injection engines have more horsepowers, are
more powerful. One is a battery (hydrogen based,
give take electrons), the other is burning energy of
hydrogen with more energy potential (produces
carbon monoxide and water vapor).

???

Anyway. Was, never was, true, false, normal,
abnormal, interesting, boring, future, past, intelligent,
dumb, perpetual motion energy of energy
conservation, excess energy from burning fuel,
calculations, nonsensical, bluff power, education.
gb6724@yahoo.com
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:33 pm
Guest
Quote:
A gas tank full (15 gallons) with water can run a 50hp car engine
(from hydrogen) for 6 hours.

But there is no distinction in this measurement between fuel cell and
fuel injection.

BMW already came out with a hydrogen fuel-injection car, selling for 1
million
in California.

http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/vehicle.jsp?vehicletype=con...

To process one gallon of water into hydrogen is 15600 watts-hour
(21hp).

If a 420hp car spends 210hp to process hydrogen (say two engines),
then 10 gallons of water is processed in an hour, allowing a 50hp
engine
to run for 4 hours or a 200hp engine to run for one hour.

Of course, the calculation of how much energy is in water was made in
reverse first, but again, no distinction is made between hydrogen
fuel cell energy and hydrogen fuel-injection energy. The BMW engine
showed less horsepower (acceleration) when using hydrogen, but
perhaps the horsepower is used for other things. BMW claims there
is no difference in power.

When mixing hydrogen from gasoline (right in the gas tank) according
to a company, the car gains 20-30 percent better fuel consumption
(I assume from the added power).

I assume there is potential power because fuel-injection (combustion)
is known to be able to produce more horsepowers than electric engines.

The energies produced by hydrogen fuel cell seem to match the
prediction of 10 gallons of water can run a 50hp car for 4 hours.
But how that applies to hydrogen fuel-injection engines is what
made me speculate. I originally predicted a 2-3 times greater
horsepower potential compared to hydrogen fuel-cell technologies.

To get 10 gallons of water in 4 hours is requires 17.36 horsepowers.

To process 10 gallons of water into hydrogen in 4 hours
requires 52.28 horsepowers. Again, slightly above the 50
horsepowers.

If 40 percent of the energy is lost when making hydrogen,
there is enough hydrogen to run a 30 horsepower engine
instead of the 50 horsepower engine for 6 hours.

However when not using hydrogen fuel cell to generate
that 30 electric horsepowers but using the hydrogen
as a fuel-injection (combustion), then that hydrogen
is sufficient to run a 60 horsepower hydrogen fuel injection
engine for 6 hours. 20 percent energy is made as
fuel-injection engines have more horsepowers, are
more powerful. One is a battery (hydrogen based,
give take electrons), the other is burning energy of
hydrogen with more energy potential (produces
carbon monoxide and water vapor).

???

Anyway. Was, never was, true, false, normal,
abnormal, interesting, boring, future, past, intelligent,
dumb, perpetual motion energy of energy
conservation, excess energy from burning fuel,
calculations, nonsensical, bluff power, education.

Notes: Taking water from air refers to 450 watt/liter
at 30 percent humidity, this includes filtering water
through 6 layers into drinking water (in the car).

15600 watts (my pick) shows 4 percent higher,
so the efficient watts to get hydrogen from water is
probably 4 percent less. Chemical factories
producing hydrogen use 16500 watts to process
one gallon of water (given there is loss of energy).

Horsepower is converted with 746 watts.

Bush is building 1300 nuclear powerplants
designated to make hydrogen in an attempt to
spark a hydrogen economy. According to my
speculations hydrogen can be made efficiently
locally, eliminating the need to deliver hydrogen.
Upon the Bush spending...
 
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