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Danny Deger
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:18 pm
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I have recently retired from NASA with a mental disability. I have a
Masters in Aerospace Engineering with straight A's. I was the Entry
Training Flow supervisor and a senior astronaut instructor for many years.
I led the effort to take us back to capsules because of their better ability
to survive failures on entry. I am an excellent engineer.



It is my experience that NASA has a grossly substandard mental health
system. In my case, in 1999, they allowed my mental health to deteriorate
while at work and did nothing. I am bipolar and my management knew I was
bipolar. I was in a significant episode that included being irritable and
routinely working 36 hours straight. This went on for many weeks. Rather
than help me, I endured mocking and insults about my mental illness from my
management. My management refused to provide me any requested
accommodation, and openly lied to me why they would not grant the
accommodations. I finally generated a strongly and strangely worded email
alleging misconduct by my management. Rather than hear my allegations, NASA
apparently deciding they wanted me locked in a psych ward, so they lied to
my doctors about my conduct at work, worked with Judge Burwell of Galveston
County to have my lock up continued without a hearing or an attorney, and my
father tells me they went so far to ask him for permission to chemically
erase my memory. The lies they told about me included I was "terrorizing
NASA by threatening to come to their homes and injure them if they don't all
resign." They also told my doctors I had hacked into a personnel database
to obtain home addresses so I could implement this plan. I know these are
lies because my actual behavior was meticulously documented by my
management. They went so far as to document the type of ties I was wearing
to work. This extensive documentation makes no mention of threats of
physical violence or hacking into a database. Also, if this had been my
actual conduct, why did NASA welcome me back to the work force?



Recently I had another episode and asked for sick leave because of massive
panic attacks as I approached the NASA facility. My supervisor granted my
leave. Then NASA turned around and told me I was AWOL until I provided a
detailed medical document from my doctor and I had to provide a new copy
every week I needed leave. NASA's sick leave policy does not require this
to get leave. Going through this process to avoid AWOL stressed me greatly
and I told NASA this. They continued to violate their own sick leave policy
for me to get leave. I have also had to endure more insults to my mental
disability from NASA management. They also told me if I didn't sign a
general release to my doctor, I would probably go on AWOL. I told them no.
They sprung an already filled out release form on my in front of the Deputy
Center director. I of course signed it. A human resources representative
apparently contacted my doctor on the pretence of being a mental health
profession and convinced him I was delusion. I think they did this because
they knew I was attempting to work the issue of work related stress as part
of my problem. This time when I complained about the misconduct, rather
than investigate the misconduct, they fired me.



I have recently found out my second doctor in 1999 decided mental injury was
my primary factor and most likely to cause any future problems. I entered
the Employee Assistance Program after I came back to work. We did not work
for one second on mental injury. This in spite of the clearly worded
statement by my doctor in 1999. This is significant because the treatment
for bipolar is very different than the treatment for mental injury. I have
a document generated by the head of the Employee Assistance Program proving
she knew about the diagnosis of mental injury. She is also the one that
told the lies to my doctors in 1999. She also states that my diagnosed
mental injury is the number one cause of workplace violence in the world. I
can only wonder why she did not for one second treat me for this condition
if she thought it might cause me to act out with workplace violence.



In summary, I think I have a story to show NASA's ability to handle mental
health issues is not good. They will do nothing to help a person with a
problem, then overreact if the problem gets out of hand. I have documents
to substantiate everything I have said here. I am currently suing NASA for
compensation under the Equal Opportunity System for the way they mishandled
my mental disability and the Texas board that licenses NASA's mental health
providers has finally had a hearing on their misconduct. I do not know the
outcome of these hearings.



If you think this might be a story for you, I can provide copies of the
documents and names and phone numbers of people involved. As I said, every
allegation I make here is backed up with documentation. Most of it written
my NASA personnel and my doctors.



As I side note to make the story more interesting, NASA sent me to Deveraux
hospital, which is the hospital that took Andrea Yates off of her
medication. The doctor that treated Ms. Yates completely botched my
in-processing and greatly aggravated my mental state at the time. Then I
was seen by a doctor who also mistreated me and my family (ask my mother
about this). It turns out this doctor was forced into psychiatric care by
the Texas Medical Board for some reason, but she continued to be the head
doctor at Deveraux. This link to the Andrea Yates story might spice the
story up. I complained loudly to the Texas Medical Board when I left the
hospital, but they did nothing. If the board had listened to me about
Deveraux and its doctors, maybe Ms. Yates would have not been taken off her
medication. Keep in mind my complaint came after they forced the doctor
into psychiatric care, but they still did nothing.



Danny Deger

832-221-6402

dannydeger@hotmail.com
David G
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:47 pm
Guest
"Danny Deger" <dannydeger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45ca9689$0$28067$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Quote:
I have recently retired from NASA with a mental disability. I have a
Masters in Aerospace Engineering with straight A's. I was the Entry
Training Flow supervisor and a senior astronaut instructor for many years.
I led the effort to take us back to capsules because of their better
ability to survive failures on entry. I am an excellent engineer.



It is my experience that NASA has a grossly substandard mental health
system. In my case, in 1999, they allowed my mental health to deteriorate
while at work and did nothing. I am bipolar and my management knew I was
bipolar. I was in a significant episode that included being irritable and
routinely working 36 hours straight. This went on for many weeks. Rather
than help me, I endured mocking and insults about my mental illness from
my management. My management refused to provide me any requested
accommodation, and openly lied to me why they would not grant the
accommodations. I finally generated a strongly and strangely worded email
alleging misconduct by my management. Rather than hear my allegations,
NASA apparently deciding they wanted me locked in a psych ward, so they
lied to my doctors about my conduct at work, worked with Judge Burwell of
Galveston County to have my lock up continued without a hearing or an
attorney, and my father tells me they went so far to ask him for
permission to chemically erase my memory. The lies they told about me
included I was "terrorizing NASA by threatening to come to their homes and
injure them if they don't all resign." They also told my doctors I had
hacked into a personnel database to obtain home addresses so I could
implement this plan. I know these are lies because my actual behavior was
meticulously documented by my management. They went so far as to document
the type of ties I was wearing to work. This extensive documentation
makes no mention of threats of physical violence or hacking into a
database. Also, if this had been my actual conduct, why did NASA welcome
me back to the work force?



Recently I had another episode and asked for sick leave because of massive
panic attacks as I approached the NASA facility. My supervisor granted my
leave. Then NASA turned around and told me I was AWOL until I provided a
detailed medical document from my doctor and I had to provide a new copy
every week I needed leave. NASA's sick leave policy does not require
this to get leave. Going through this process to avoid AWOL stressed me
greatly and I told NASA this. They continued to violate their own sick
leave policy for me to get leave. I have also had to endure more insults
to my mental disability from NASA management. They also told me if I
didn't sign a general release to my doctor, I would probably go on AWOL.
I told them no. They sprung an already filled out release form on my in
front of the Deputy Center director. I of course signed it. A human
resources representative apparently contacted my doctor on the pretence of
being a mental health profession and convinced him I was delusion. I
think they did this because they knew I was attempting to work the issue
of work related stress as part of my problem. This time when I complained
about the misconduct, rather than investigate the misconduct, they fired
me.



I have recently found out my second doctor in 1999 decided mental injury
was my primary factor and most likely to cause any future problems. I
entered the Employee Assistance Program after I came back to work. We did
not work for one second on mental injury. This in spite of the clearly
worded statement by my doctor in 1999. This is significant because the
treatment for bipolar is very different than the treatment for mental
injury. I have a document generated by the head of the Employee
Assistance Program proving she knew about the diagnosis of mental injury.
She is also the one that told the lies to my doctors in 1999. She also
states that my diagnosed mental injury is the number one cause of
workplace violence in the world. I can only wonder why she did not for
one second treat me for this condition if she thought it might cause me to
act out with workplace violence.



In summary, I think I have a story to show NASA's ability to handle mental
health issues is not good. They will do nothing to help a person with a
problem, then overreact if the problem gets out of hand. I have documents
to substantiate everything I have said here. I am currently suing NASA
for compensation under the Equal Opportunity System for the way they
mishandled my mental disability and the Texas board that licenses NASA's
mental health providers has finally had a hearing on their misconduct. I
do not know the outcome of these hearings.



If you think this might be a story for you, I can provide copies of the
documents and names and phone numbers of people involved. As I said,
every allegation I make here is backed up with documentation. Most of it
written my NASA personnel and my doctors.



As I side note to make the story more interesting, NASA sent me to
Deveraux hospital, which is the hospital that took Andrea Yates off of her
medication. The doctor that treated Ms. Yates completely botched my
in-processing and greatly aggravated my mental state at the time. Then I
was seen by a doctor who also mistreated me and my family (ask my mother
about this). It turns out this doctor was forced into psychiatric care by
the Texas Medical Board for some reason, but she continued to be the head
doctor at Deveraux. This link to the Andrea Yates story might spice the
story up. I complained loudly to the Texas Medical Board when I left the
hospital, but they did nothing. If the board had listened to me about
Deveraux and its doctors, maybe Ms. Yates would have not been taken off
her medication. Keep in mind my complaint came after they forced the
doctor into psychiatric care, but they still did nothing.



Danny Deger

832-221-6402

dannydeger@hotmail.com



Very interesting story. The press might pick this up.
Billy Bob
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:16 am
Guest
"Danny Deger" <dannydeger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45ca9689$0$28067$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Quote:
It is my experience that NASA has a grossly substandard mental health
system. In my case, in 1999, they allowed my mental health to deteriorate
while at work and did nothing. I am bipolar and my management knew I was
bipolar. I was in a significant episode that included being irritable and
routinely working 36 hours straight. This went on for many weeks. Rather
than help me, I endured mocking and insults about my mental illness from
my management. My management refused to provide me any requested
accommodation, and openly lied to me why they would not grant the
accommodations. I finally generated a strongly and strangely worded email
alleging misconduct by my management. Rather than hear my allegations,
NASA apparently deciding they wanted me locked in a psych ward, so they
lied to my doctors about my conduct at work, worked with Judge Burwell of
Galveston County to have my lock up continued without a hearing or an
attorney, and my father tells me they went so far to ask him for
permission to chemically erase my memory. The lies they told about me
included I was "terrorizing NASA by threatening to come to their homes and
injure them if they don't all resign." They also told my doctors I had
hacked into a personnel database to obtain home addresses so I could
implement this plan. I know these are lies because my actual behavior was
meticulously documented by my management. They went so far as to document
the type of ties I was wearing to work. This extensive documentation
makes no mention of threats of physical violence or hacking into a
database. Also, if this had been my actual conduct, why did NASA welcome
me back to the work force?


Let me get this straight. NASA had you locked up in a psych ward for your
problem, but the crazy astronaut is at home with her kids tonight??? Did
you have a knife, a mallet, pepper spray, rubber gloves, trashbag, etc??
Steven L.
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:04 am
Guest
Danny Deger wrote:
Quote:
I have recently retired from NASA with a mental disability. I have a
Masters in Aerospace Engineering with straight A's. I was the Entry
Training Flow supervisor and a senior astronaut instructor for many years.
I led the effort to take us back to capsules because of their better ability
to survive failures on entry. I am an excellent engineer.



It is my experience that NASA has a grossly substandard mental health
system. In my case, in 1999, they allowed my mental health to deteriorate
while at work and did nothing.

I second the motion: If you don't mind possible embarrassment for
"outing" yourself, you should contact the news media (Houston
Chronicle?) and tell your story. Right now, the question of whether
NASA's psychological management is adequate is "hot" and you're more
likely to get a hearing from the media now than at any time before.


--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Steven L.
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:07 am
Guest
Billy Bob wrote:

Quote:
Let me get this straight. NASA had you locked up in a psych ward for your
problem, but the crazy astronaut is at home with her kids tonight???

AFAIK, no doctor has officially diagnosed Lisa Nowak as "crazy." If
they had, she would have been held for observation in a mental hospital.



--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Danny Deger
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:01 am
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Billy Bob wrote:

Let me get this straight. NASA had you locked up in a psych ward for
your problem, but the crazy astronaut is at home with her kids tonight???

AFAIK, no doctor has officially diagnosed Lisa Nowak as "crazy." If they
had, she would have been held for observation in a mental hospital.


I am certain that NASA could find a doctor to tell the judge in his opinion
she showed signs of mental illness. The judge would then sign a warrent to
have her evaluated at a hospital. The hospital has 24 hours to do this
evaluation. The person can be invollentarilly admitted for 72 hours with
the written statement by 2 doctors and if a private hospital, a hospital
administrator must also sign on. In my case neither of the two doctors put
my name on the form used to lock me up. The mentally ill doctor did not
even put any name on the document. There was a place for time and she put
"Texas". I have copies of all of this. It was really a big joke.

After the person is involentarilly attmitted by the doctors, a hearing is
automatically set and the court appoints an attorney paid for my the state
to act as counsel for the person that has been involentarily admitted. In
my case I asked about my hearing and they lied to me and told me the
corriour failed to file the invonentary admission form with the court. I
knew they were lying. I have documents to prove the hospital was having
extensive interface with the judge and were well aware the judge simply
refused to hear my case. To this day, I don't know what motivated the judge
to not hear my case, but I suspected a judge was involved somehow. I knew I
had just alleged gross micconduct by NASA managment. I was completely
terrified. It turns out I was right about a judge being involved. Judge
Burwell of Galveston County refused to hear my case and she failed to assign
me my attorney. The NASA mental health system was in on this miscarriage of
justise and they documemented that they were. Meanwhile Ms. Nowak is at
home where she is likely to harm someone and very likely thinking of harming
herself.

Danny Deger
JF Mezei
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:22 am
Guest
Quote:
It is my experience that NASA has a grossly substandard mental health
system. In my case, in 1999, they allowed my mental health to deteriorate
while at work and did nothing.


If your job was a "office" job, and you had no duties around actual flight
hardware, and obviously not in line to fly to orbit, then the needs to
ensure you are phychologically fit are much less.

Astronauts have more or less "office" jobs most of the time, but they are
also called upon to tran with their crewmebers for extended periods of time
and need to be able to comfortably live with them in close confines for a
couple of weeks (and in the case of ISS, 6 months). That is when the
physchological profiles before very important.
John Doe
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:29 am
Guest
Steven L. wrote:
Quote:
AFAIK, no doctor has officially diagnosed Lisa Nowak as "crazy." If
they had, she would have been held for observation in a mental hospital.

You forgot the word "yet". It may be one of her lawyer's arguments that she
was mentally deranged and not in full control of her brain and thus
declared mentally insane.

The fact that the alleged victim had a court order to keep Nowak away from
her means that Nowak had had that obsession for some time. This was not
something that came out without warning. One could argue that the obsession
grew to a point where Nowak was no longer in control of her emotions and
went nuts.


Where NASA can be faulted is not providing a large vat of jello in which
they would have put the two females in bikinis and let them fight it off.
(in front of an audience of astronauts and other nasa employees).
Craig Fink
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:36 am
Guest
Going through a separation and divorce is an extremely stressful time in
anyone's life. Just the fact that someone is currently going through this
transition is a major warning sign, to watch out, this person is in danger
of ... There are plenty of articles about how nobody saw this coming to
Nowak, no warning signs. Oblivious to a huge warning sign, marital strife,
separation and divorce.

In your case it seems NASA found this extremely stressful time in your life
to be an opportunity, increasing the pressure to attain some other goal ...

Years ago at McDonnell Douglas, two employees (Chief and Indian) were having
an affair. The spouse of one found out and painted "so-and-so &!#$&
so-and-so" in the parking lot at McDonnell Douglas. Not wanting this left
in the parking lot for all to see (tall build). Someone got the bright idea
to remove the paint with some acid. It etched the shadow of the message
into the concrete. Later the affair turned into marriage.

People do strange things when relationships fall apart.

--
Craig Fink
Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @ WeBeGood@GMail.Com
--

Danny Deger wrote:

Quote:
Recently I had another episode and asked for sick leave because of massive
panic attacks as I approached the NASA facility.  My supervisor granted my
leave.  Then NASA turned around and told me I was AWOL until I provided a
detailed medical document from my doctor and I had to provide a new copy
every week I needed leave.   NASA's sick leave policy does not require
this to get leave.  Going through this process to avoid AWOL stressed me
greatly and I told NASA this.  They continued to violate their own sick
leave policy for me to get leave.  I have also had to endure more insults
to my mental disability from NASA management.  They also told me if I
didn't sign a general release to my doctor, I would probably go on AWOL.
I told them no. They sprung an already filled out release form on my in
front of the Deputy Center director.  I of course signed it.  A human
resources representative apparently contacted my doctor on the pretence of
being a mental health profession and convinced him I was delusion.  I
think they did this because they knew I was attempting to work the issue
of work related stress as part of my problem.  This time when I complained
about the misconduct, rather than investigate the misconduct, they fired
me.
Jeff Findley
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:21 am
Guest
"David G" <gggg@ggg.ggg> wrote in message
news:45ca9d6b$0$28088$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Quote:

"Danny Deger" <dannydeger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45ca9689$0$28067$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
I have recently retired from NASA with a mental disability. I have a
Masters in Aerospace Engineering with straight A's. I was the Entry
Training Flow supervisor and a senior astronaut instructor for many years.
I led the effort to take us back to capsules because of their better
ability to survive failures on entry. I am an excellent engineer.

<snip>

Quote:
Very interesting story. The press might pick this up.

I hope not. If you've read enough of Danny's postings, you'd know why. I
don't wish Danny ill, but his constant rehashing of the past and laying
blame with NASA simply doesn't do much good at this point.

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)
Jeff Findley
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:22 am
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:C6zyh.21953$yx6.18827@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Quote:
Billy Bob wrote:

Let me get this straight. NASA had you locked up in a psych ward for
your problem, but the crazy astronaut is at home with her kids tonight???

AFAIK, no doctor has officially diagnosed Lisa Nowak as "crazy." If they
had, she would have been held for observation in a mental hospital.

You can't hold someone in a mental hospital for long unless the doctors
believe they're a danger to themselves or others. Barring that, the patient
can simply refuse treatment and walk out the door.

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)
Danny Deger
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:07 pm
Guest
"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
news:4bdf5$45cb406c$927a2cda$400@FUSE.NET...
Quote:

"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:C6zyh.21953$yx6.18827@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Billy Bob wrote:

Let me get this straight. NASA had you locked up in a psych ward for
your problem, but the crazy astronaut is at home with her kids
tonight???

AFAIK, no doctor has officially diagnosed Lisa Nowak as "crazy." If they
had, she would have been held for observation in a mental hospital.

You can't hold someone in a mental hospital for long unless the doctors
believe they're a danger to themselves or others. Barring that, the
patient can simply refuse treatment and walk out the door.

Even a doctor can only hold you for 72 hours -- it takes two doctors
actually. After that it requires a judge.

Danny Deger
Quote:

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)
Danny Deger
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:15 pm
Guest
"Craig Fink" <WeBeGood@GMail.Com> wrote in message
news:VzGyh.25764$X72.23711@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
snip

Quote:
In your case it seems NASA found this extremely stressful time in your
life
to be an opportunity, increasing the pressure to attain some other goal
...


I have been told this by many people. I guess statements like, "Do you know
what a meeting of NASA managers is? It is a room full of people lying to
each other," didn't make me popular with NASA management :-)

Take care Craig.

Danny Deger

Quote:
Years ago at McDonnell Douglas, two employees (Chief and Indian) were
having
an affair. The spouse of one found out and painted "so-and-so &!#$&
so-and-so" in the parking lot at McDonnell Douglas. Not wanting this left
in the parking lot for all to see (tall build). Someone got the bright
idea
to remove the paint with some acid. It etched the shadow of the message
into the concrete. Later the affair turned into marriage.

People do strange things when relationships fall apart.

--
Craig Fink
Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @ WeBeGood@GMail.Com
--

Danny Deger wrote:

Recently I had another episode and asked for sick leave because of
massive
panic attacks as I approached the NASA facility. My supervisor granted my
leave. Then NASA turned around and told me I was AWOL until I provided a
detailed medical document from my doctor and I had to provide a new copy
every week I needed leave. NASA's sick leave policy does not require
this to get leave. Going through this process to avoid AWOL stressed me
greatly and I told NASA this. They continued to violate their own sick
leave policy for me to get leave. I have also had to endure more insults
to my mental disability from NASA management. They also told me if I
didn't sign a general release to my doctor, I would probably go on AWOL.
I told them no. They sprung an already filled out release form on my in
front of the Deputy Center director. I of course signed it. A human
resources representative apparently contacted my doctor on the pretence
of
being a mental health profession and convinced him I was delusion. I
think they did this because they knew I was attempting to work the issue
of work related stress as part of my problem. This time when I complained
about the misconduct, rather than investigate the misconduct, they fired
me.

Herb Schaltegger
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:36 pm
Guest
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:07:27 -0600, Danny Deger wrote
(in article <45cb4ac0$0$503$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>):

Quote:

Even a doctor can only hold you for 72 hours -- it takes two doctors
actually. After that it requires a judge.

Danny Deger

That may vary a great deal, depending on the specifics of each jurisdiction's
laws regarding mental competency.

--
You can run on for a long time,
Sooner or later, God'll cut you down.
~Johnny Cash
Danny Deger
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:54 pm
Guest
"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
news:c599$45cb400c$927a2cda$32754@FUSE.NET...
snip

Quote:
I hope not. If you've read enough of Danny's postings, you'd know why. I
don't wish Danny ill, but his constant rehashing of the past and laying
blame with NASA simply doesn't do much good at this point.


I understand your point, and I don't take rehashing this lightly. I first
rejected the idea when a friend of mine mentioned my story might be news
worthy because it shows serious flaws in the mental health system at NASA.
But when the second one called and said the same, I had to reconsider. I
still don't know if I am going to contact the press on this. My goal would
be to strengthen my case in front of the Equal Opertunity system. There is
a good chance I can get a little over $300K.

Just to let you know, everyone that has seen my documentation agrees NASA
screwed me in 1999. They watched me deteriorate in front of their eyes and
didn't raise a hand to help. As I said, I have a document to support every
allegation I have made. If you give me an FTP server or web site I can dump
them so you can have a look for yourself. The docuements are fairly large
because they contained a lot of scanned images of my records. I would need
about 100 Meg of space.

Take care and thanks for the input. I will put you down for a "no" vote on
me contacting the press Smile So far I have 4 "yes'es" and 2 "no's". Anyone
else out there can vote. I am looking for feedback here.

Danny Deger
 
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