If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?

How often are cures effected?

Tim

Tim Walters wrote:
If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?

How often are cures effected?

TimThe main problem of curing people of their personalities is that you
have to leave them with at least one, and the right one. Of course,
only the doctor knows what personality you should have you bloody moron.

Everyone has a side of him or her that is
very different from what they show us. Problems start when we ignore
that part. I'm still studying how they get cured, but I know how to prevent them
from developing it:o)

If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?

How often are cures effected?

Tim

"Tim Walters" <timwalters@terraform.es> wrote in message
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If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?

How often are cures effected?

Tim

"Multiple Perdonality Disorder" has never been scientifically validated, and
in fact doesn't make sense.

Why? Partly because personality is an interpersonal phenomenon: the nature
of one's personality is partially dependent upon the circumstances and the
personalities of those around you. Only rather rigid, neurotic individuals
have "a" personality.

Instead, there appear to be two other problems that affect some (very few)
individuals: dissociative identity disorder and hysteric personality
disorder. Individuals who have the experience of having "many
personalities" tend to be either hysteric personalities or borderline
personalities. In either case, there are not actually different
personalities per se, only different expressions of the individuals abnormal
experiencing of the environment and their own emotions. With borderline
personalities, emotions are rather labile and quick to change.

Dissociative identity disorder is not very well accepted in mental health
professions but is still used because it does (rarely) seem to appear and it
is convenient. But most professionals consider it to be a hodgepodge of
symptoms with little diagnostic coherence.

There is no validated or generally accepted treatment for "multiple
disorder." Many individuals claim to have wonderful success with it, and
there are even centers for treatment. Their data are not good.

Those who consider themselves to be "experienced" and "expert" at treament
of either multiple personality or dissociative identity disorder have a
very, very strong tendency to diagnose every problem as a result of the
disorders. Typically, they diagnose several times more cases in their
client loads than are found in the entire US.

Now don't misread me: I am NOT saying that everybody who uses the diagnosis
and who treats the disorders is a charlatan. That is not true. But it is
overdiagnosed, overtreated, and overidentified. The most well-publicised
cases have turned out to be something else, entirely.

card xii

Card XII wrote:
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As a follow-up to the OP's question, what is the likelihood of a person
first developing (let's say) Dissociative Identity Disorder as an
adult?

Also, could you elaborate a bit on the difference in the expression of
hysteric personality disorder vs. borderline personality disorder? Do
both disorders have a dissociative component? Thanks.

Also, could you elaborate a bit on the difference in the expression of
hysteric personality disorder vs. borderline personality disorder?

Also, could you elaborate a bit on the difference in the expression of
hysteric personality disorder vs. borderline personality disorder? Do
both disorders have a dissociative component? Thanks.

"Tim Walters" <timwalters@terraform.es> wrote in message
news:kiua2.36k.19.1@news.alt.net...
If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?

How often are cures effected?

Tim

"Multiple Perdonality Disorder" has never been scientifically validated,
and
in fact doesn't make sense.

Why? Partly because personality is an interpersonal phenomenon: the
nature
of one's personality is partially dependent upon the circumstances and the
personalities of those around you. Only rather rigid, neurotic
individuals
have "a" personality.

Instead, there appear to be two other problems that affect some (very few)
individuals: dissociative identity disorder and hysteric personality
disorder. Individuals who have the experience of having "many
personalities" tend to be either hysteric personalities or borderline
personalities. In either case, there are not actually different
personalities per se, only different expressions of the individuals
abnormal
experiencing of the environment and their own emotions. With borderline
personalities, emotions are rather labile and quick to change.

Dissociative identity disorder is not very well accepted in mental health
professions but is still used because it does (rarely) seem to appear and
it
is convenient. But most professionals consider it to be a hodgepodge of
symptoms with little diagnostic coherence.

There is no validated or generally accepted treatment for "multiple
disorder." Many individuals claim to have wonderful success with it, and
there are even centers for treatment. Their data are not good.

Those who consider themselves to be "experienced" and "expert" at treament
of either multiple personality or dissociative identity disorder have a
very, very strong tendency to diagnose every problem as a result of the
disorders. Typically, they diagnose several times more cases in their
client loads than are found in the entire US.

Now don't misread me: I am NOT saying that everybody who uses the
diagnosis
and who treats the disorders is a charlatan. That is not true. But it is
overdiagnosed, overtreated, and overidentified. The most well-publicised
cases have turned out to be something else, entirely.

card xii

"Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
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....

I tried writing to you personally but the message bounced. Would you email
me, please?

Dissociative identity disorder is not very well accepted in mental health
professions but is still used because it does (rarely) seem to appear and it
is convenient. But most professionals consider it to be a hodgepodge of
symptoms with little diagnostic coherence.

There is no validated or generally accepted treatment for "multiple
disorder." Many individuals claim to have wonderful success with it, and
there are even centers for treatment. Their data are not good.

Those who consider themselves to be "experienced" and "expert" at treament
of either multiple personality or dissociative identity disorder have a
very, very strong tendency to diagnose every problem as a result of the
disorders. Typically, they diagnose several times more cases in their
client loads than are found in the entire US.

Dissociative identity disorder is not very well accepted in mental health
professions but is still used because it does (rarely) seem to appear and
it
is convenient. But most professionals consider it to be a hodgepodge of
symptoms with little diagnostic coherence.

You mean like Schizophrenia, Borderline Disorder and many others that
some alternative psychologist. Actually it is the guide used by
professionals from psychiatrists to lawyers, etc. Not that this is
necessarily a good thing, but to paint D I D as some fringe, flaky idea
is ridiculous.

You also paint it as a problem that the sufferer claims to have and
notices.

While it is often the case that others´recognize it first,
precisely because the personalities do not share information with
eachother and are not aware of each other´s existance.
Which also causes problems for your interpersonal argument that it
could not exist. Sure we have different personalities, but we remember
what they do. If we don´t then we dissociated. If this is a regular
part of our lives, then perhaps we have the pattern D I D and suffered
severe trauma.

There is no validated or generally accepted treatment for "multiple
disorder." Many individuals claim to have wonderful success with it, and
there are even centers for treatment. Their data are not good.

Those who consider themselves to be "experienced" and "expert" at
treament
of either multiple personality or dissociative identity disorder have a
very, very strong tendency to diagnose every problem as a result of the
disorders. Typically, they diagnose several times more cases in their
client loads than are found in the entire US.

This is BS. Diagnoses of all kinds are made wildly. Pharm companies
estimate that pretty much all of us are suffering various syndromes.
But to single out D I D is absurd. I also doubt you ahve much contact
with professionals.

"Tim Walters" <timwalters@terraform.es> wrote in message
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"Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
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I tried writing to you personally but the message bounced. Would you
email
me, please?

I don't wish to appear rude, but no. It is unwise to engage in email in
usenet
groups because of all the kooks that I'm sure you also see lurking here,
and
the masses of spam that would follow.

If you really need to discuss these things with somebody personally or in
more detail, I strongly suggest that you visit with a clinical
psychologist
(one with a doctoral degree and licensed in your state as a psychologist)
and not somebody who states that he or she is an expert in treating
dissociative identity disorder or multiple personality disorder.

Please remember that this newsgroup is a forum for discussing the science
of
psychotherapy. It is not a good place to discuss personal experiences, to
seek advice or guidance, etc. In fact, with all the kooks on usenet, it
is
a really bad idea. Actually, the best place to discuss anything about
psychotherapy may be on sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated.

Also, if you are posting with your real name and with your actual email in
your address, I strongly advise you to change both.

And keep posting your good questions.

card xii

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"Tim Walters" <timwalters@terraform.es> wrote in message
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"Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
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...

I tried writing to you personally but the message bounced. Would you
email
me, please?

I don't wish to appear rude, but no. It is unwise to engage in email in
usenet
groups because of all the kooks that I'm sure you also see lurking here,
and
the masses of spam that would follow.

If you really need to discuss these things with somebody personally or in
more detail, I strongly suggest that you visit with a clinical
psychologist
(one with a doctoral degree and licensed in your state as a psychologist)
and not somebody who states that he or she is an expert in treating
dissociative identity disorder or multiple personality disorder.

Please remember that this newsgroup is a forum for discussing the science
of
psychotherapy. It is not a good place to discuss personal experiences,
to
seek advice or guidance, etc. In fact, with all the kooks on usenet, it
is
a really bad idea. Actually, the best place to discuss anything about
psychotherapy may be on sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated.


I tried. I sent them the following message:


If someone develops MPD, is one of the personalities like the one he had
before its development? For example, if the person had a sense of humour
beforehand, would one of the personalities have a sense of humour now?

How often are cures effected?


The message wasn't posted. I always understood that the purpose of a
moderated ng was to keep out spammers and loons. My question was serious.
The fact that the moderator chose to reject it smacks to me of censorship.

Yes, I know it's the same question I posted here, but I was entitled to
expect a higher standard of professionalism there.

Or so I thought.

Tim