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| JOHN |
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| george conklin |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:29 pm |
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"JOHN" <john@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Quote: http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
What disgusting crap to post anywhere. Shame on you. |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:40 pm |
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"george conklin" <george@nxu.edu> wrote in message
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What disgusting crap to post anywhere. Shame on you.
Yes, it is shocking stuff, sorry to try and wake you out of your sleep
Warning: don't look at this one
vitamin C conspiracy http://www.whale.to/a/vit_c_cons.html
"10,000 infants die every year--needlessly--from cot-death".---Linus Pauling |
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| HCN |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:03 pm |
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"george conklin" <george@nxu.edu> wrote in message
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"JOHN" <john@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
What disgusting crap to post anywhere. Shame on you.
Ah, yes.... the website by the guy who also claims that satanic black lines
burned his bum! From http://www.whale.to/b/cbblack.html ... " I also burnt
my ass on it some years back when I was experimenting with psychedelics,
similar to a chemical burn right through my trousers, where the trousers
were unscathed apart from a flattening of the cord. I thought, first, that
I had been given a metaphysical kick up the backside! Perhaps I had. "
(one wonders what kind of brain damage was caused by the psychedelics)
Not a very reliable source... Comments about John Scudamore in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-vaccinationists/Individuals include "a
large and slightly sorted collection of conspiracy theory save the whale,
illuminati, weird "science" and stuff which is not corrected to
reflect demonstrated mistakes." |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:42 pm |
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Laetrile http://www.whale.to/cancer/laetrile.html
Jim Wright, from Port Talbot in South West Wales, ran a small
business selling natural products. Like many involved in natural
health, Jim wanted to help not only his family and himself, but also
others. Jim's caring nature and concern for the suffering of others
ultimately got him into trouble. In fact, it made him a criminal.
Find out how the UK medicines regulator, in cahoots with the BBC, set
him up. This is an astonishing case about persecution and
prosecution. Yesterday, Jim received his sentence from Swansea's
Crown Court. Jim and his family have been through hell and back, yet
he's not beaten - he's going to appeal.
To download the full press release (which has this morning been
circulated to the entire UK media) as a PDF document, including the
Editor's Notes that provide more details on this important case,
please click the following link:
http://www.alliance-natural-health.org/_docs/ANHwebsiteDoc_263.pdf
The text of the release is given below:
Vitamin seller made a criminal
After three years of apparent persecution by the UK medicines
regulator, a Swansea man, Jim Wright, was yesterday criminalised by
the Swansea Crown Court for selling vitamins and herbs.
Jim Wright had operated a small business selling natural health
products for some years before being raided for the first time in May
2003, then again two years later, by the Medicines & Healthcare
products Regulatory Authority (MHRA). During these unannounced dawn
raids, his stock was taken, thus preventing him from running his
business. The vast majority of his stock comprised common garden
herbal products the like of which can legally be bought from high
street health food stores across the UK .
Emerging from the Court room, Wright said, `I think given the wealth
of false evidence that was presented in Court, the whole thing's been
a total farce. Yet in the process they've managed to make me a
criminal. The Judge gave me a £1000 fine, £1000 that I haven't got,
and 120 hours of unpaid community service. I was accused of selling
products that I wasn't selling and we even showed the Court that the
supplier of vitamin B-17, as found in apricot kernels, was itself
shut down by the US Food & Drug Administration on 30th September
2003. They found nothing in two raids on my house. I was set up.'
Wright, like others who had been selling vitamin B-17 up until it was
made illegal in 2002, was made aware of the change in government
policy and withdrew the product from sale. He had always made a point
of complying with any advice or requests by the UK medicines
enforcement agency.
In 2003, the MHRA worked with BBC Wales to entrap Wright. A women and
her partner who, he was told, had a myeloma in the leg that had been
operated on and that had subsequently spread, approached Jim Wright
with a view to buying products that would help the cancer patient.
The couple forced Wright to meet them in a car park on two separate
occasions to deliver a range of natural health products. Wright
thought this a most strange request, yet the customers were adamant
this is how they wanted their products delivered. They filmed him
covertly the first time, but on the second occasion, the cameras were
revealed as he passed over the products. He was devastated to find
the customers were really a BBC reporter and her perfectly healthy
colleague.
Shortly after this, Wright saw himself on the BBC, being made out to
be a criminal, despite the fact the products he was selling were 100%
legal. About one week later, the MHRA raided him, confiscating all of
his stock, and so handicapping his small business operation.
No legal proceedings followed, but Mr Wright's stock was also not
returned even after three requests. The enforcers went peculiarly
quiet on Mr Wright.
Two years later, Wright received an order for vitamin B-17. Unknown
to him, the order was from an MHRA enforcer who, posing as a member
of the public, presented a heart-wrenching story about her husband
dying of prostate cancer. The lady was very specific about her desire
for vitamin B-17, that Wright was well aware had been banned some
years earlier. Wright made it clear that he could no longer sell B-17
and had none in stock. After continuous pressure, however, Wright
succumbed to providing a single pot that he still had in his home
office that had been returned to him by a customer and that he hadn't
yet posted back to the original supplier in Mexico . He was given a
mailing address that happened to be the accommodation address for the
MHRA. On receipt of the product, a warrant was obtained the same day
from Bow Street Magistrates and Wright was raided for a second time,
in May 2005.
Speaking about this second raid, Jim Wright said, `They were hoping
to find a big stash of vitamin B-17 - that was what they said they
were after when they barged into my home. They of course found
nothing. So they again took all my stock, all my accounts, a folder
with all of my correspondence with the MHRA and another with thank-
you letters and customer contact details. It was frightening - and
deeply disturbing.'
Dr Robert Verkerk, executive director of the Alliance for Natural
Health responded today to Wright's sentencing, `The Swansea Crown
Court Judge took the opportunity to condemn the natural products
industry. He said the manufacturers of these supplements are
exploiting people's misery and making lots of money out of them. Jim
Wright, he said, was a victim, and clearly hadn't made a lot of money
himself.'
Reflecting on the sentencing, Verkerk added, `To prey on someone's
intent to help others - to set them up like this - is astonishing and
deeply unethical. Jim Wright and his family have been through hell
and back - his business has been irreparably damaged, yet no illegal
products were found in either raid. The lack of reasons given during
and after the raids, and the confiscation of legal stock that
included extra virgin olive oil, beggars belief. We are heartened to
hear that Jim Wright and his legal counsel have every intention of
mounting an Appeal.'
It is expected that Jim Wright's Appeal against his prosecution will
be launched within 9 months.
ENDS.
CONTACT
Contact point for all media ( UK and international):
Dr Robert Verkerk or Meleni Aldridge
Alliance for Natural Health
The Atrium, Curtis Road , Dorking RH4 1XA, UK
Tel: +44 (0)1306 646 600
Fax: +44 (0)1306 646 552
Email: info@anhcampaign.org |
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| Skeptic |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:58 pm |
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Wow. What a fuck'n nutjob.
"JOHN" <john@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Quote: http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
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| pmoran |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:08 pm |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
Just for fun I followed one of the links to a book by Binzel.and looked
at the very first testimonial I came to (seriously). Here it is.
Quote --
Case No. 18: B.W.
This 44-year-old woman was seen for the first time on 2/6/81. She had
been found one month prior to have carcinoma of the descending colon
with 7 positive lymph nodes. A colostomy was not required. She received
no radiation or chemotherapy.
She was started on a nutritional program. Now. some 13 years later, she
has had no recurrence of her disease and leads a normal, active life.
What is so unusual about this patient? She had cancer of the colon with
metastases. The odds of her surviving 5 years were one in one-thousand.
Yet, she lives a normal life with no recurrence of her disease after 13
years.
End quote
Quacks often know very little about cancer and this is partly why they
get to delude themselves into thinking they have a good treatment when
they do not. After surgery the five year survival rates in colon
cancer with lymph node metastases but no other spread is NOT one in
1000. It can vary from about 25% to 60% depending on the degree of
gland involvement.
It is also almost unknown for colon cancer to recur five years after
initial treatment, so that this also equates to the true cure rate. So
there is nothing unusual about this outcome.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:27 pm |
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"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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HealthFraud member moron. Just been reading your pal Barrett's great work
promoting fluoridation.
See yourself in others
You quacks kill 780,000 people in the USA every year
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html That is 780,000 more than herbalism,
homeopathy and naturopathy who don't kill their patients, as a rule
You quacks have addicted over 10 million people to psychiatric drugs
http://www.whale.to/a/psychiatry_h.html
with 3.6 million kids on Ritalin to follow
when there isn't any evidence they do any good at all, with est 25,000
suicides from Prozac alone
while over 1 million people have been brain damaged from drugs like
Thorazine
while nutritional med actually helps people and doesn't harm them
you quacks can't actually cure any cancer, the best you can do is 5 year
survival with poor kids and leukemia, while 4 out of 5 leukemia patients
still die!!
your best cancer med is surgery! I wont even mention radiotherapy except to
say the last poor sod I knew who had that said it was like someone taking a
hammer to your hand--he died soon after that wonder med
you quacks are the leading cause of child disease like autism with mercury
vaccines
and so on |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:29 pm |
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"Skeptic"
aka pharma morons
you would have thought skeptics would be skeptical about orthodoxy, but no,
the pharma boys have that one covered too |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:09 pm |
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"JOHN" <john@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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We Let Them Die - 15 Million of Them http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/
Over 15 million Americans have died of cancer since 1976 when Drs. Linus
Pauling and Ewan Cameron reported that intravenous vitamin C significantly
prolongs the life of otherwise hopeless advanced-stage cancer patients.
[Proceedings National Academy of Science 73: 3685-89, 1976]
A lot of things were published 30 years ago that have not withheld the test
of time. Typical anti-medicine rants from a typical vitamin pusher. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:21 pm |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: "pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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HealthFraud member moron. Just been reading your pal Barrett's great work
promoting fluoridation.
Quacks http://www.whale.to/p/quacks.html
See yourself in others
You quacks kill 780,000 people in the USA every year
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html That is 780,000 more than herbalism,
homeopathy and naturopathy who don't kill their patients, as a rule
You quacks have addicted over 10 million people to psychiatric drugs
http://www.whale.to/a/psychiatry_h.html
with 3.6 million kids on Ritalin to follow
when there isn't any evidence they do any good at all, with est 25,000
suicides from Prozac alone
while over 1 million people have been brain damaged from drugs like
Thorazine
while nutritional med actually helps people and doesn't harm them
you quacks can't actually cure any cancer, the best you can do is 5 year
survival with poor kids and leukemia, while 4 out of 5 leukemia patients
still die!!
Well, sure medicine has its faults, and it should be doing its damndest
to stop killing people, but of what relevance is this to whether
alternative cancer treatments work? Cancer patients want to know this
as a completely independent matter, of critical importance to them and
their families.
That happens to be my interest, just as yours is the most amazingly
ignorant and unbalanced, completely unresearched portrayal of
convenitonal medicine in as poor a light as possible.
Over fifty per cent of all invasive cancers (excluding easily cured
skin cancers) can be cured, and some quite easily, as I prove on my web
site.
But about fifty per cent aren't. So I don't even try to discourage
cancer patients from using alternative methods, if they wish. I do
try to get them to think very carefully before relying on them when
they have a likely or potentially curable cancer. And I mean cure in
every sense, not merely five year survival, as you and your ilk try to
falsely claim..
This is where you are potentially leading many people to their
destruction. You should stop doing that until you can produce some
patients cured of cancer with your supposedly more benign treatments.
Hey, that would be a supremely effective way of getting your message
across, wouldn't it?. There must be hundreds of thousands of cured
patients for you to choose from if your claims are true. Go for it,.
Peter Moran
Quote: your best cancer med is surgery! I wont even mention radiotherapy except to
say the last poor sod I knew who had that said it was like someone taking a
hammer to your hand--he died soon after that wonder med
you quacks are the leading cause of child disease like autism with mercury
vaccines
and so on |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:21 pm |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: "pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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HealthFraud member moron. Just been reading your pal Barrett's great work
promoting fluoridation.
Quacks http://www.whale.to/p/quacks.html
See yourself in others
You quacks kill 780,000 people in the USA every year
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html That is 780,000 more than herbalism,
homeopathy and naturopathy who don't kill their patients, as a rule
You quacks have addicted over 10 million people to psychiatric drugs
http://www.whale.to/a/psychiatry_h.html
with 3.6 million kids on Ritalin to follow
when there isn't any evidence they do any good at all, with est 25,000
suicides from Prozac alone
while over 1 million people have been brain damaged from drugs like
Thorazine
while nutritional med actually helps people and doesn't harm them
you quacks can't actually cure any cancer, the best you can do is 5 year
survival with poor kids and leukemia, while 4 out of 5 leukemia patients
still die!!
Well, sure medicine has its faults, and it should be doing its damndest
to stop killing people, but of what relevance is this to whether
alternative cancer treatments work? Cancer patients want to know this
as a completely independent matter, of critical importance to them and
their families.
That happens to be my interest, just as yours is the most amazingly
ignorant and unbalanced, completely unresearched portrayal of
convenitonal medicine in as poor a light as possible.
Over fifty per cent of all invasive cancers (excluding easily cured
skin cancers) can be cured, and some quite easily, as I prove on my web
site.
But about fifty per cent aren't. So I don't even try to discourage
cancer patients from using alternative methods, if they wish. I do
try to get them to think very carefully before relying on them when
they have a likely or potentially curable cancer. And I mean cure in
every sense, not merely five year survival, as you and your ilk try to
falsely claim..
This is where you are potentially leading many people to their
destruction. You should stop doing that until you can produce some
patients cured of cancer with your supposedly more benign treatments.
Hey, that would be a supremely effective way of getting your message
across, wouldn't it?. There must be hundreds of thousands of cured
patients for you to choose from if your claims are true. Go for it,.
Peter Moran
Quote: your best cancer med is surgery! I wont even mention radiotherapy except to
say the last poor sod I knew who had that said it was like someone taking a
hammer to your hand--he died soon after that wonder med
you quacks are the leading cause of child disease like autism with mercury
vaccines
and so on |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:14 pm |
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"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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That happens to be my interest, just as yours is the most amazingly
ignorant and unbalanced, completely unresearched portrayal of
convenitonal medicine in as poor a light as possible.
You mean Allopathy. 12 years research into vaccination is hardly no
research. I am not too keen on monopolies that put profit before patients
I just report the facts as I find them. 780,000 deaths is quite a stat and
you have the cheek to say 'leading many people to their
destruction'! is that an example of leading people to health?
While you Allopaths are causing epidemics of autism (500,000 UK) , asthma,
diabetes, etc with vaccination. While there is overwhelming evidence
vaccination is 100% ineffective. And then you suppress the cure for heart
disease, cot-death and all infections with vitamin C, and the cure and cause
of Alzheimer's.
While you create an AIDS market with your HIV lie, killing hundreds of
thousands with azt and other poisons.
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Over fifty per cent of all invasive cancers (excluding easily cured
skin cancers) can be cured, and some quite easily, as I prove on my web
site.
I just report the history of Allopathic suppression of non-pharma med over
100 years. I don't believe your stats, you boys have been lying for
centuries. You great lie is 'saving millions of lives from smallpox' when
you actually killed millions with smallpox vaccination.
Quote: This is where you are potentially leading many people to their
destruction. You should stop doing that until you can produce some
patients cured of cancer with your supposedly more benign treatments.
Hey, that would be a supremely effective way of getting your message
across, wouldn't it?. There must be hundreds of thousands of cured
patients for you to choose from if your claims are true. Go for it,.
Hundreds of thousands? There will be one day when people see the Allopathic
snow job. As it is with your control of the media, no one ever hears of
non-Allopathic med, except for the odd one that sneaks out, which are
followed by your bullshit to keep everyone in line
http://www.whale.to/a/vile.html Dr Shulze had to burn all his records of
curing cancer as it would have been used as evidence to throw him in jail,
as it is illegal for herbal naturopaths to treat cancer.
I know what I'd be using http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/Ch10.html
Occasionally the truth leaks out, one of your pet hates--Gerson for bone
cancer http://www.whale.to/c/gearin.html |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:17 pm |
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"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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Quote: Well, sure medicine has its faults, and it should be doing its damndest
to stop killing people, but of what relevance is this to whether
alternative cancer treatments work?
It is revealing to see all of Allopathy
http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html
Folks only see one bit of the Elephant usually.
If they knew the real story of smallpox vaccination
http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html would they really listen to your
bull on cancer?
If they knew all of your other rackets, ditto
http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:18 pm |
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"Skeptic" <bcs002b@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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A lot of things were published 30 years ago that have not withheld the
test of time. Typical anti-medicine rants from a typical vitamin pusher.
Pharma troll, your days are numbered http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxpharma.html
"The machinery looks good, the technology seems nice, the stainless steel is
shiny, everything smells like isopropyl alchohol; I mean they are the
greatest salesmen in the world. We're going to go look back at this century
and we're going to laugh eventually, but we'll cry first. This is one of
the most barbaric periods. It's going to be called the Dark Ages of
Medicine."----Dr Shulze (The Sam Biser Herbal Video Collection p198)
http://www.whale.to/v/pharma_hoax_q.html |
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