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| Ignoramus20785 |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:28 am |
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http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Homemade-Trailer-With-M105A2-Bed/07-Trailer-Turned-Over/
First, I redid a few particularly bad looking vertical welds by
following Ernie's great advice. Some pictures and his advice can be
found above. They are still bad looking, but not as bad.
Then my FIL painted the trailer by a "cold galvanizing paint" from
McMaster. Which looks like great stuff.
Then I turned this trailer over so that it stands on wheels. See
pictures and explanation over there too.
The trailer is not done yet.
* Four more flat welds need to be done (on seams that were below the
frame when the trailer was upside down)
* Painting near these future welds needs to be completed, lunette eye
needs to be painted.
* I need to install legally required lights, which I have not yet
received
* I need to properly wire in electricity and brakes etc.
Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer. What do I need to do in general, what documentation to bring
etc.
I estimate the weight of this trailer as 1,500-1,600 lbs. I can easily
lift its front, it is like 50 lbs or so of weight. Having a lifting
handle also helps. (handle found in Fermilab garbage).
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| Nick Mueller |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:20 am |
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Ignoramus20785 wrote:
Quote: Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer. What do I need to do in general, what documentation to bring
etc.
Iggy is planing ahead. From the back. )
Wouldn't that have been a good point to **start** with?
It's always fun to watch your projects, but that doesn't mean there is
something to learn from.
Nick
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| John L. Weatherly |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:41 am |
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Ignoramus20785 wrote:
Quote: Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer. What do I need to do in general, what documentation to bring
etc.
Here in TN, I had to furnish documentation/receipts showing that I paid
state sales tax on all the pieces-parts. Otherwise, they will charge you
tax based upon the estimated value of the trailer.
A good place to start is to call your state's commercial vehicle enforcement
entity. They will point you in the right direction. You can do a web
search for "your state" and "homemade trailer registration".
Quote: I estimate the weight of this trailer as 1,500-1,600 lbs. I can easily
lift its front, it is like 50 lbs or so of weight. Having a lifting
handle also helps. (handle found in Fermilab garbage).
Be wary of light tongue weight. You want about 10% of the gross trailer
weight on the tongue, otherwise you'll fishtail all over the road. After
you put the pintle coupler, breakaway brake kit battery, and possibly a
spare up front, it may be a non-issue.
The flipping operation looked exciting, 'cause there's nowhere to run!
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| Ignoramus22134 |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:01 am |
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:41:12 -0600, John L. Weatherly <johnnytorchXXX@XXXcomcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Ignoramus20785 wrote:
Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer. What do I need to do in general, what documentation to bring
etc.
Here in TN, I had to furnish documentation/receipts showing that I paid
state sales tax on all the pieces-parts. Otherwise, they will charge you
tax based upon the estimated value of the trailer.
A good place to start is to call your state's commercial vehicle enforcement
entity. They will point you in the right direction. You can do a web
search for "your state" and "homemade trailer registration".
I just called our "highway safety". He said that if my trailer weight
(GVWR) is below 5,001 lbs, I do not need to have it inspected etc, I
just need to send an "affirmation for homemade trailer". Which is
basically saying that this really is a homemade trailer made from
"various parts". It also would not need a breakaway controller.
He also said that above 5,000 lbs, I need to have a breakaway
kit and to have this trailer inspected.
Quote:
I estimate the weight of this trailer as 1,500-1,600 lbs. I can easily
lift its front, it is like 50 lbs or so of weight. Having a lifting
handle also helps. (handle found in Fermilab garbage).
Be wary of light tongue weight. You want about 10% of the gross trailer
weight on the tongue, otherwise you'll fishtail all over the road. After
you put the pintle coupler, breakaway brake kit battery, and possibly a
spare up front, it may be a non-issue.
The flipping operation looked exciting, 'cause there's nowhere to run!
Actually, it looks this way on the photo, but no one was under the
trailer or too close to it, when it moved. (that means that if the
lifting chains failed, and it fell, no one was in the projected
path).
Re: weight. I will weigh the tongue with a bathroom scale tonight, I
think that I underestimated tongue weight last night. I tried it again
this morning and it was weighty.
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| Big Al |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:13 am |
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"Nick Mueller" <muellernick@gmx.de> wrote in message
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Quote: Ignoramus20785 wrote:
Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer. What do I need to do in general, what documentation to bring
etc.
I have two. In Arizona you get the expected run around. It done by A.D.O.T.
I took a small trash trailer down and was told it needed a license plate
light. So I took it home and added the lamp. Went back and was told it
needed mud flaps. When I went back the told me the mud flaps were too floppy
and they needed support. So I asked it they could just look the whole
trailer over and give me a list. The guy trusted me on the supports and I
got the tag.
The good thing is they did not notice I used the rear axle from an old front
wheel drive car. I'm sure that would have added problems.
If anyone is considering building a utility trailer I have a very neat 6X12.
It tilts and has opening front and rear panels. I can send pictures.
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| Ignoramus22134 |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:44 am |
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On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:13:45 -0700, Big Al <sal1@qwest.net> wrote:
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"Nick Mueller" <muellernick@gmx.de> wrote in message
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Ignoramus20785 wrote:
Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer. What do I need to do in general, what documentation to bring
etc.
I have two. In Arizona you get the expected run around. It done by A.D.O.T.
I took a small trash trailer down and was told it needed a license plate
light. So I took it home and added the lamp. Went back and was told it
needed mud flaps. When I went back the told me the mud flaps were too floppy
and they needed support. So I asked it they could just look the whole
trailer over and give me a list. The guy trusted me on the supports and I
got the tag.
The good thing is they did not notice I used the rear axle from an old front
wheel drive car. I'm sure that would have added problems.
If anyone is considering building a utility trailer I have a very neat 6X12.
It tilts and has opening front and rear panels. I can send pictures.
Al
For under 5,001 lb gross weight trailers, here in Illinois, all I need
is send in paperwork. The state trusts me to comply with all
regulations, which I intend to do.
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| Vernon |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:24 pm |
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Quote: Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer.
Veni vidi vici.
Igor, I am proud of you. You are an inspiration.
You know the best thing about your trailer???
You won't have Nick following behind you.
Now if you can just figure out how to keep him from following you
around the internet...
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| Ignoramus22134 |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:33 pm |
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On 1 Feb 2007 11:24:24 -0800, Vernon <vtuck@tucklings.com> wrote:
Quote: Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer.
Veni vidi vici.
Igor, I am proud of you. You are an inspiration.
Thank you Vernon. The trailer still remains to be road tested, though
I am optimistic.
Quote: You know the best thing about your trailer???
You won't have Nick following behind you.
ROTFLMAO.
Quote: Now if you can just figure out how to keep him from following you
around the internet...
I think that I found such a way, it is called killfile...
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| Gunner |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:56 pm |
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On 1 Feb 2007 11:24:24 -0800, "Vernon" <vtuck@tucklings.com> wrote:
Quote: Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer.
Veni vidi vici.
Igor, I am proud of you. You are an inspiration.
You know the best thing about your trailer???
You won't have Nick following behind you.
Now if you can just figure out how to keep him from following you
around the internet...
V
Maybe we can find out what Nicks favorite cheese is and buy him a wheel
of it. To go with his whine.
Gunner
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| RDF |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:59 pm |
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Iggy,
Give me a call. I can help you out with the title and VIN through ISP's
District 5 office on RT 53 by Statesville Prison. It's a paperwork issue and
an inspection. I just did one on a clients quad. Or give the Sec. of State
Police a call and they can mail you the documentation. Some of the larger
DMV offices have Troopers stationed there just for issues like this. The
one by your house may have one. I know Joliet does for sure. Check
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/police/home.html too. My old
chief is stationed in Niles. I can leverage him on questions or put you in
touch with him if you want.
Respects,
Rob
Fraser Competition Engines
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| Steve B |
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:38 am |
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"RDF" <NT_Geek@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Iggy,
Give me a call. I can help you out with the title and VIN through ISP's
District 5 office on RT 53 by Statesville Prison. It's a paperwork issue
and an inspection. I just did one on a clients quad. Or give the Sec. of
State Police a call and they can mail you the documentation. Some of the
larger DMV offices have Troopers stationed there just for issues like
this. The one by your house may have one. I know Joliet does for sure.
Check http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/police/home.html too.
My old chief is stationed in Niles. I can leverage him on questions or put
you in touch with him if you want.
Respects,
Rob
Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.
All three times I made trailers from scratch, the inspectors and people at
DMV were decent people. They can tell if you're trying to slide something
in on them, and if you show up with something that's definitely home made,
they don't really pay it a lot of attention. Just have the receipts for
materials, necessary documentation, and a good attitude, and they are just
about like any other DIYer, and will even kibitz about this and that on the
trailer.
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| Ignoramus22134 |
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:53 am |
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On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:59:47 -0600, RDF <NT_Geek@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Iggy,
Give me a call. I can help you out with the title and VIN through ISP's
District 5 office on RT 53 by Statesville Prison. It's a paperwork issue and
an inspection. I just did one on a clients quad. Or give the Sec. of State
Police a call and they can mail you the documentation. Some of the larger
DMV offices have Troopers stationed there just for issues like this. The
one by your house may have one. I know Joliet does for sure. Check
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/police/home.html too. My old
chief is stationed in Niles. I can leverage him on questions or put you in
touch with him if you want.
Rob, thank you. I already applied for registration at Currency
exchange. Turns out that for trailers under 5,001 lbs gross, no
inspection is needed. Inspection means taking at least one day from
work. I decided that going to 6,000 gross was not worth it and
declared it a 5,000 GVWR trailer. I think that from this point on, it
should be straightforward. I definitely appreciate your kindness.
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| John L. Weatherly |
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:11 am |
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Steve B wrote:
Quote: All three times I made trailers from scratch, the inspectors and people at
DMV were decent people. They can tell if you're trying to slide something
in on them, and if you show up with something that's definitely home made,
they don't really pay it a lot of attention. Just have the receipts for
materials, necessary documentation, and a good attitude, and they are just
about like any other DIYer, and will even kibitz about this and that on
the trailer.
ayup
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Nashville, TN
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| Wild Bill |
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:01 pm |
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It doesn't look like there is much clearance between the axle tube (and
U-bolts) and the frame member, considering there is no load on the bed.
The tires look to be too close to the fenders too.
Maybe the photos make the parts look closer than they really are.
If some serious loads are placed on the trailer, the frame members may
encounter some very harsh contact with the axle and/or U-bolts, which looks
likely to happen when the tires encounter bumps.
This would be a serious design flaw, if it takes place while you're hauling
stuff.
Applying paint on bare steel without any preparation is usually a bad idea,
especially on steel that will be outdoors. You'll find out soon enough.
WB
metalworking projects
http://www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html
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Quote:
http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Homemade-Trailer-With-M105A2-Bed/07-Trailer-Turned-Over/
First, I redid a few particularly bad looking vertical welds by
following Ernie's great advice. Some pictures and his advice can be
found above. They are still bad looking, but not as bad.
Then my FIL painted the trailer by a "cold galvanizing paint" from
McMaster. Which looks like great stuff.
Then I turned this trailer over so that it stands on wheels. See
pictures and explanation over there too.
The trailer is not done yet.
* Four more flat welds need to be done (on seams that were below the
frame when the trailer was upside down)
* Painting near these future welds needs to be completed, lunette eye
needs to be painted.
* I need to install legally required lights, which I have not yet
received
* I need to properly wire in electricity and brakes etc.
Has anyone ever gone through a process of registering a homemade
trailer. What do I need to do in general, what documentation to bring
etc.
I estimate the weight of this trailer as 1,500-1,600 lbs. I can easily
lift its front, it is like 50 lbs or so of weight. Having a lifting
handle also helps. (handle found in Fermilab garbage).
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| Nick Mueller |
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:39 pm |
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Wild Bill wrote:
Quote: It doesn't look like there is much clearance between the axle tube (and
U-bolts) and the frame member, considering there is no load on the bed.
Yes, but 1" travel is enough! The trailer will be rated for only 0.1 tons.
Nick
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