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| Rolf Martens |
 Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:01 am |
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At my homepage I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Saturday, 22 April 2006 (NWBC 155) Steven Milloy: The
Greenhouse Myth
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html]
2006-04-22, 06:09 GMT:
An article at Fox News on 20.04. It says on the author:
"Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com, CSRWatch.com. He is
a junk science expert, an advocate of free enterprise and an
adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute."
Thus among other things a propagandist of capitalism, no
doubt a spokesman for certain industrial capitalists who on
the issue of "harmful manmade global warming", for instance,
have some interests contrary to those of the main ruling
imperialists. At Junkscience.com, Milloy has brought several
scientifically excellent articles on some subjects including
that purported "manmade global warming" which is such a big
propaganda theme, with the intention of making the chemical
fuels inordinately expensive, in the main international
reactionary mass media. That recent one which I'm linking to
here is a case in point.
[http://www.junkscience.com/]
See also the subject "'global warming' propaganda" in my
"Subjects in postings" section and the (other) websites
linked to under "On purported 'manmade global warming'" in
"Links".
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| T.Keating |
| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:05 am |
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:01:36 GMT, "Rolf Martens"
<rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote:
[quote:b9948df4b2]At my homepage I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Saturday, 22 April 2006 (NWBC 155) Steven Milloy: The
Greenhouse Myth
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html]
2006-04-22, 06:09 GMT:
An article at Fox News on 20.04. It says on the author:
"Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com, CSRWatch.com. He is
a junk science expert, an advocate of free enterprise and an
adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute."
[/quote:b9948df4b2]
Same JUNK.. . different day...
Rolf Martins is a moron, stooge, propagandist, andor idiot, take your
pick. The same words apply to his JunkScience.com buddies..
In this thread, I refuted Mr. Martins wild claim that Global warming
stopped in 1998.. (Another piece of Junk Science propaganda)
ref:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/3fe50af1d7de7d9e?hl=en&
"Looks like Mr. Carter forgot to look at recent data points..
Which shows a continuing upward trend in worldwide temperature..
P.S.. 1998 is no longer consider to be the warmest year on record..
2005 surpassed it.."
=======================.
Then their is Mr. Martins fairy tail claims of nearly all Oil being
formed by abiotic process in the earths Mantle..
ref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Oil+Mantle&num=10&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=Rolf+Martens&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=22&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2006&safe=off
Also disproven.. by simple by much simpler processes occurring at much
lower temps near the surface over millions of years.. (All chemical
reactions are Time verses Temp.. ) I.E. Mr. Martins doesn't know the
first thing about chemistry.
ref:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/85b06ffebbecf9b8?hl=en&
P.S.. After spending a few trillion dollars over the last hundred
years the Oil industry knows what they are doing. The chemistry of
Crude Oil formation is well known.. |
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| frugal earth dweller |
| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:42 am |
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[quote:29569870ba]On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:01:36 GMT, "Rolf Martens"
rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote:
At my homepage I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Saturday, 22 April 2006 (NWBC 155) Steven Milloy: The
Greenhouse Myth
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html]
2006-04-22, 06:09 GMT:
An article at Fox News on 20.04. It says on the author:
"Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com, CSRWatch.com. He is
a junk science expert, an advocate of free enterprise and an
adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute."
Same JUNK.. . different day...
Rolf Martins is a moron, stooge, propagandist, andor idiot, take your
pick. The same words apply to his JunkScience.com buddies..
In this thread, I refuted Mr. Martins wild claim that Global warming
stopped in 1998.. (Another piece of Junk Science propaganda)
ref:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/3fe50af1d7de7d9e?hl=en&
"Looks like Mr. Carter forgot to look at recent data points..
Which shows a continuing upward trend in worldwide temperature..
P.S.. 1998 is no longer consider to be the warmest year on record..
2005 surpassed it.."
=======================.
Then their is Mr. Martins fairy tail claims of nearly all Oil being
formed by abiotic process in the earths Mantle..
ref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Oil+Mantle&num=10&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=Rolf+Martens&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=22&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2006&safe=off
Also disproven.. by simple by much simpler processes occurring at much
lower temps near the surface over millions of years.. (All chemical
reactions are Time verses Temp.. ) I.E. Mr. Martins doesn't know the
first thing about chemistry.
ref:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/85b06ffebbecf9b8?hl=en&
P.S.. After spending a few trillion dollars over the last hundred
years the Oil industry knows what they are doing. The chemistry of
Crude Oil formation is well known..
Thank you for defending the earth against this filth.[/quote:29569870ba] |
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| frugal earth dweller |
| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:44 am |
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[quote:2dae8acff8]At my homepage
Why do you hate the earth so much? Or is it people you hate?[/quote:2dae8acff8] |
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| Rolf Martens |
| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:13 am |
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In article <1145693141.860720.73460@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tkgoogle@ktcnslt.com says...
[quote:4f34eee963]
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:01:36 GMT, "Rolf Martens"
rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote:
At my homepage I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Saturday, 22 April 2006 (NWBC 155) Steven Milloy: The
Greenhouse Myth
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html]
2006-04-22, 06:09 GMT:
An article at Fox News on 20.04. It says on the author:
"Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com, CSRWatch.com. He is
a junk science expert, an advocate of free enterprise and an
adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute."
Same JUNK.. . different day...
Rolf Martins is a moron, stooge, propagandist, andor idiot, take your
pick. The same words apply to his JunkScience.com buddies..
In this thread, I refuted Mr. Martins wild claim that Global warming
stopped in 1998.. (Another piece of Junk Science propaganda)
ref:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/3fe50af1d7de7d9e?hl=en&
"Looks like Mr. Carter forgot to look at recent data points..
Which shows a continuing upward trend in worldwide temperature..
P.S.. 1998 is no longer consider to be the warmest year on record..
2005 surpassed it.."
=======================.
Then their is Mr. Martins fairy tail claims of nearly all Oil being
formed by abiotic process in the earths Mantle..
ref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Oil+Mantle&num=10&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=
&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=Rolf+Martens&lr=&as_drrb=q&a[/quote:4f34eee963]
s_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=22&as_maxm=
[quote:4f34eee963]
Also disproven.. by simple by much simpler processes occurring at much
lower temps near the surface over millions of years.. (All chemical
reactions are Time verses Temp.. ) I.E. Mr. Martins doesn't know the
first thing about chemistry.
ref:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/85b06ffebbecf9b8?hl=en&
P.S.. After spending a few trillion dollars over the last hundred
years the Oil industry knows what they are doing. The chemistry of
Crude Oil formation is well known..
[/quote:4f34eee963]
Yes, you're making propaganda again, Tim, for two long-since
refuted scams in the field of science, both of which have that
common interest for the ruling arch-reactionaries that they are
conductive, if "successful", to making all energy scarce and
expensive. This is a really big interest of theirs. And it has
led them too to mangaing either to fool you completely or else
perhaps to employ you as a hack of theirs - always difficult
in various cases to tell which one of these ir may be.
Rolf M.
www.rolf-martens.com
(See my "Links" on "global warming" and on
the real - of course abiotic - origins of oil)
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| Rolf Martens |
| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:17 am |
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In article <MPG.1eb39a70a14a101a98b8c8@text.giganews.com>,
remember@easter_island.disaster says...
[quote:8f9fa76ce1]
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:01:36 GMT, "Rolf Martens"
rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote:
At my homepage I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Saturday, 22 April 2006 (NWBC 155) Steven Milloy: The
Greenhouse Myth
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html]
2006-04-22, 06:09 GMT:
An article at Fox News on 20.04. It says on the author:
"Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com, CSRWatch.com. He is
a junk science expert, an advocate of free enterprise and an
adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute."
Same JUNK.. . different day...
Rolf Martins is a moron, stooge, propagandist, andor idiot, take your
pick. The same words apply to his JunkScience.com buddies..
In this thread, I refuted Mr. Martins wild claim that Global warming
stopped in 1998.. (Another piece of Junk Science propaganda)
ref:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/3fe50af1d7de7d9e?hl=en&
"Looks like Mr. Carter forgot to look at recent data points..
Which shows a continuing upward trend in worldwide temperature..
P.S.. 1998 is no longer consider to be the warmest year on record..
2005 surpassed it.."
=======================.
Then their is Mr. Martins fairy tail claims of nearly all Oil being
formed by abiotic process in the earths Mantle..
ref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Oil+Mantle&num=10&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&[/quote:8f9fa76ce1]
as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=Rolf+Martens&lr=&as_drrb=q&as
_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=22&as_max
[quote:8f9fa76ce1]
Also disproven.. by simple by much simpler processes occurring at much
lower temps near the surface over millions of years.. (All chemical
reactions are Time verses Temp.. ) I.E. Mr. Martins doesn't know the
first thing about chemistry.
ref:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/85b06ffebbecf9b8?hl=en&
P.S.. After spending a few trillion dollars over the last hundred
years the Oil industry knows what they are doing. The chemistry of
Crude Oil formation is well known..
Thank you for defending the earth against this filth.
[/quote:8f9fa76ce1]
You mean, those ruling Bore-Gushes, who are *your* masters and
"thought inspirers" too. With the earth, they don't have much to
do, exept of course that their whole social system in the world
in the not too distant future will be put "six feet under the ground"
by the people in all countries.
Rolf M. |
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| Jim |
| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:19 am |
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http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2006/04/the_septics_are_crp_part_xvii.php
It constantly amazes me how completely cr*p the climate septics are. I
dont mean the skeptics - e.g. Lindzen, who is a better met man than me,
though he has gone a bit emeritus recently - I mean flacks like Milloy.
If you want to be skeptical of GW, then the only real point at issue is
"will be be a (very) bad thing". That encapsulates two points: how
large is the climate sensitivity, and how will the balance of good and
bad effects work out, regionally and globally (and, in a hat tip to RP,
but also to others, how large are climate effects in the face of rapid
societal change anyway?) (this isn't [WP:BEANS by the way; I really
wish the septics would learn this).
But one point of GW that is totally rock-solid is that CO2 is rising,
which is why fools like Milloy fling themselves at it...
And the same tripe at CEI. Must be nice getting paid for junk twice
over. Sigh. So what about Direct measurements of atmospheric CO2 taken
by scientists during the 19th century - beginning around 1810 - ranged
from about 250 ppm to 550 ppm, with an average value of 335 ppm,
according to Dr. Jaworowski.
This isn't even "are the obs CO" rises anthropogenic" (which is also
rock solid, though its one step further on). This is "has CO2 risen at
all"? To be fair, Milloy hasn't thought of this himself, he is only
parotting Jaworowski. It is best ripped to shreds by a single graph,
that Tim Lambert helpfully provides. Notice... the enormous scatter on
the early values, and how much they settle down once they have been
appropriately massaged to fit political correctness reliable measuring
instruments become available? If you're a septic, this is proof of some
vast conspiracy; if you're sane, its proof that measurement has got
better.
The Milloy article makes other equally stupid points. You can have fun
shredding them yourself, or read Some are Boojums (and this earlier one
with the all the gory details).
[Tip that got me started on this: MAY at RC, comment 139]
[Update: I added a category to this, "climate science", though not sure
its quite right... Also, I've just realised that the Milloy pieces date
from 16 *March* not April... sorry for being behind-hand -W]
[Update again: note that some sites (including the ever-reliable 
warwickhughes assert that what J said was Senate testimony. Note that
JE points out that this just isnt true -W]
http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2006/04/the_septics_are_crp_part_xvii.php |
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| Rolf Martens |
| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:22 am |
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In article <MPG.1eb39ac7847586eb98b8c9@text.giganews.com>,
remember@easter_island.disaster says...
[quote:91b03f53fd]
At my homepage
Why do you hate the earth so much? Or is it people you hate?
[/quote:91b03f53fd]
Sorry again, but the "manmade global warming" scam does NOT
come from the people, you know, but from those "thought
inspirers" of yours, the ruling Bore-Gushes. No big friends
of the earth at all, and certainly no big friends of the people.
One might even say, "tout au contraire".
Rolf M. |
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| Bill Ward |
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| Raymond Arritt |
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T.Keating wrote:
[quote:453be647d6]On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:01:36 GMT, "Rolf Martens"
rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote:
At my homepage I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Saturday, 22 April 2006 (NWBC 155) Steven Milloy: The
Greenhouse Myth
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html]
2006-04-22, 06:09 GMT:
An article at Fox News on 20.04. It says on the author:
"Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com, CSRWatch.com. He is
a junk science expert, an advocate of free enterprise and an
adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute."
Same JUNK.. . different day...
Rolf Martins is a moron, stooge, propagandist, andor idiot, take your
pick. The same words apply to his JunkScience.com buddies..
[/quote:453be647d6]
Oh, don't be too hard on him. I occasionally enjoy checking out Mr.
Martens' insightful comments about the arch-reactionary bourgeois
ruling-class elements (or the ruling capitalist bourgeois
arch-reactionary elements, or whatever they're called). Reminds me of
some friends back in my undergraduate days. |
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| frugal earth dweller |
| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:11 am |
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[quote:a2e520bdb8]They
truly are Stalin's "useful idiots" -- and totally resistant to reason.
And your reasoned argument that global warming is a farce is? The sun is[/quote:a2e520bdb8]
getting hotter? |
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| Rolf Martens |
| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:47 am |
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In article <1145711942.210387.284390@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
jimn469897@aol.com says...
[quote:07b3534f86]
http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2006/04/the_septics_are_crp_part_xvii.php
It constantly amazes me how completely cr*p the climate septics are. I
dont mean the skeptics - e.g. Lindzen, who is a better met man than me,
though he has gone a bit emeritus recently - I mean flacks like Milloy.
If you want to be skeptical of GW, then the only real point at issue is
"will be be a (very) bad thing". That encapsulates two points: how
large is the climate sensitivity, and how will the balance of good and
bad effects work out, regionally and globally (and, in a hat tip to RP,
but also to others, how large are climate effects in the face of rapid
societal change anyway?) (this isn't [WP:BEANS by the way; I really
wish the septics would learn this).
But one point of GW that is totally rock-solid is that CO2 is rising,
which is why fools like Milloy fling themselves at it...
[/quote:07b3534f86]
But - just to mention one thing - it's water vapour that accounts
for some 95% of the greenhouse effect; CO2 is only a trace gas and
a minor contributor, one that's good for plants and thus for
agriculture too.
It's the "global warmers" that are completely crap - that propaganda
comes from the ruling reactionaries, who want all energy to be
scarce and expensive.
Rolf M. |
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| Rolf Martens |
| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:01 am |
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In article <GHB2g.697157$084.115586@attbi_s22>, raymondarritt@hotmail.com
says...
[quote:c1a0513542]
T.Keating wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:01:36 GMT, "Rolf Martens"
rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote:
At my homepage I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Saturday, 22 April 2006 (NWBC 155) Steven Milloy: The
Greenhouse Myth
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html]
2006-04-22, 06:09 GMT:
An article at Fox News on 20.04. It says on the author:
"Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com, CSRWatch.com. He is
a junk science expert, an advocate of free enterprise and an
adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute."
Same JUNK.. . different day...
Rolf Martins is a moron, stooge, propagandist, andor idiot, take your
pick. The same words apply to his JunkScience.com buddies..
Oh, don't be too hard on him. I occasionally enjoy checking out Mr.
Martens' insightful comments about the arch-reactionary bourgeois
ruling-class elements (or the ruling capitalist bourgeois
arch-reactionary elements, or whatever they're called). Reminds me of
some friends back in my undergraduate days.
[/quote:c1a0513542]
So you once did have such (possibly) insightful friends,
at least?
Rolf M. |
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| Rolf Martens |
| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:07 am |
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In article <1145792844.763835.25760@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
gods-fist@sbcglobal.net says...
[blabla]
Not even knowing that it's him/her/itself that really being
probed, bored and boring.
Poor Bore/Gushes and their staunch adherents - they really
must be very nervous indeed about some obvious truths being
told.
Rolf M.
www.rolf-martens.com |
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| Phoney maoist pushes CATO |
| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:48 am |
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Rolf Martens Phoney "maoist" pushes CATO Koch-Industries Libertarianism
wrote:
[quote:6e9121253f]It's the "global warmers" that are completely crap - that propaganda
comes from the ruling reactionaries, who want all energy to be
scarce and expensive.
Rolf M.
[/quote:6e9121253f]
Rolf Martens Phoney "maoist" pushes CATO Koch-Industries Libertarianism
Instead of arguing, the links to the record of his funders is posted:
Koch Industries called Organized Crime on National TV by brother Bill
Koch. These are the people you should know and decide that they are
your preferred choice to bring you information by their hirlings like
Denk-McGinn.
http://snipurl.com/pk51
Google Results for "Charles G. Koch Summer Fellows" CATO Institute.
http://snipurl.com/pk5l
Google Results 1 - 100 of about 535 for Koch Interns Cato Institute,
Heritage, Hudson Institute, Competitive Enterprise Institute.
http://snipurl.com/pk57
Google Results 1 - 100 of about 191 for "Koch Industries" "Organized
Crime".
http://snipurl.com/pk5f
Google Results 1 - 100 of about 679 for Killer Koch Industries,
Smalley.
News
Also, The Koch Pipeline Co., LP, another subsidiary of Koch Industries,
had agreed to pay some $35 million in fines and penalties for
violations of the ...
http://waternet.com/news.asp?mode=4&N_ID=14430 - 16k
News
Koch hit with record Clean Water Act fine. HOUSTON - The Koch
Pipeline Co., ... of Koch Industries, Inc. in Wichita, KS, has agreed
to pay some $35 million ...
http://waternet.com/news.asp?mode=4&N_ID=11149 - 16k
Forbes.com: Forbes Faces: The Koch Brothers
In September 1999, Koch Industries paid $8 million in damages after a
.... It was forced to pay a $35 million settlement for 300 separate oil
spills in six ...
http://www.forbes.com/2001/01/04/0104faces.html - 27k
Forbes.com: Forbes World's Richest People 2001
Brothers Charles and David run Koch Industries, the $35 billion oil
.... mishap in its Corpus Christi refinery; the company agreed to pay a
$20 million fine. ...
http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/10/2001/LIR.jhtml?passListId=10&passYear=2001&passListType=Person&am...
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StealthPacs.org | Overview of Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE ...
CSE co-founder David H. Koch is a member of Cato's board of
directors.13 Koch ... of Koch Industries, an oil and gas company that
paid a $35 million fine in ...
http://www.stealthpacs.org/profile.cfm?Org_ID=162 - 31k
July/August 2002 - Sierra Magazine - Sierra Club
In January, Koch Industries agreed to pay about $35 million for
violations of the Clean ... but also to pay a $1 million fine for
air-pollution violations. ...
http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200207/thinktank.asp - 41k
David H. Koch - SourceWatch
Koch Industries received a $30000000.00 criminal fine in March 2000:
.... for more than 300 oil spills in five states, prompting a penalty of
$35 million. ...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_H._Koch - 14k
The Center for Public Integrity
The owners of Koch Industries, the nation's second wealthiest privately
owned business, the brothers were recently given a $35 million federal
fine in ...
http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=508 - 35k
The Center for Public Integrity
The brothers own Koch Industries, the nation's second wealthiest
privately owned business, which was recently given a $35 million
federal fine in connection ...
http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=537 - 61k
[ More results from www.publicintegrity.org ]
Endgame Directory of Transnational Corporations
A federal judge in Austin, TX, has approved a record $35 million civil
fine against Kansas-based Koch Industries, ending lawsuits involving
about 300 oil ...
http://www.endgame.org/dtc/k.html - 47k
EMS Pipeline Services - Regulatory Compliance
Those who fail to comply face penalties, which are already reaching
record highs, including a $35 million fine for Koch Industries. ...
http://www.emspipeline.net/compliance/index.asp - 19k
The Clear and Present Danger of the Sociopathic Insanity of David ...
The owners of KOCH INDUSTRIES, the nation's second wealthiest privately
owned business, the brothers were recently given a $35 million federal
fine in ...
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html - 71k
Organized Crime Ring - Killer Koch's Citizens for a Sound Economy
Not surprisingly, the industry has lavished more than $440 million
over the past six ... and Koch and Ashcroft settled the lawsuit for a
$20 million fine, ...
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/CSE_Organized_Crime.html - 67k
Environmental Defense - Press Release: Environmental Defense Says ...
Today's proposed fine compares unfavorably to the $35 million fine the
US Environmental Protection Agency levied against Koch Industries, Inc.
in January of ...
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/pressrelease.cfm?ContentID=1230 -
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