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| Guest |
 Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:49 pm |
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thought this would make a good utility on cellphones -
http://www.getjar.com/products/1007/StudyME
Or easier still, you could just take photos of pages from books using
your cell-phone.
You could also put in formulas using graphical calculators.
Any recommendations anyone ? Which is better - CASIO or Texas
instruments?
Could English people recommend anywhere that sell these.. argos don't
seem to stock these caclulators.
ps - cheating is WRONG, IMMORAL and you will get caught. Do not cheat.
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| Al Reynolds |
| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:29 pm |
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<Chris.Holland16@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134078547.262597.294550@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[quote:725e683a32]thought this would make a good utility on cellphones -
http://www.getjar.com/products/1007/StudyME
Or easier still, you could just take photos of pages from books using
your cell-phone.
You could also put in formulas using graphical calculators.
Any recommendations anyone ? Which is better - CASIO or Texas
instruments?
Could English people recommend anywhere that sell these.. argos don't
seem to stock these caclulators.
ps - cheating is WRONG, IMMORAL and you will get caught. Do not cheat.
I am just curious.
[/quote:725e683a32]
It would be hard enough to get a mobile into a public exam and use it,
and if you are caught cheating at GCSE, you fail all your subjects AFAIR.
Al |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:34 pm |
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[quote:8cb1dacc1a]
It would be hard enough to get a mobile into a public exam and use it,
and if you are caught cheating at GCSE, you fail all your subjects AFAIR.
Al
[/quote:8cb1dacc1a]
I'm talking about 'tests' / 'mocks' not real exams. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:03 pm |
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Chris.Holland16@gmail.com wrote:
[quote:a5a0f05f7c]thought this would make a good utility on cellphones -
http://www.getjar.com/products/1007/StudyME
Or easier still, you could just take photos of pages from books using
your cell-phone.
You could also put in formulas using graphical calculators.
Any recommendations anyone ? Which is better - CASIO or Texas
instruments?
Could English people recommend anywhere that sell these.. argos don't
seem to stock these caclulators.
ps - cheating is WRONG, IMMORAL and you will get caught. Do not cheat.
I am just curious.
[/quote:a5a0f05f7c]
I'd recommend memorizing the material - it's impossible to get caught
that way and is likely more reliable then most of those flakey picture
cell phones anyway. |
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| BORG |
| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:48 pm |
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On 8 Dec 2005 15:34:01 -0800, Chris.Holland16@gmail.com wrote:
[quote:ca606bf15f]
It would be hard enough to get a mobile into a public exam and use it,
and if you are caught cheating at GCSE, you fail all your subjects AFAIR.
Al
I'm talking about 'tests' / 'mocks' not real exams.
[/quote:ca606bf15f]
If your to stupid not to be able to do a GCSE then you shouldn't have
a mobile phone
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| Al Reynolds |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:54 am |
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<Chris.Holland16@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:6db4ae9f3e]
It would be hard enough to get a mobile into a public exam and use it,
and if you are caught cheating at GCSE, you fail all your subjects AFAIR.
Al
I'm talking about 'tests' / 'mocks' not real exams.
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You've obviously overestimated their importance then.
There are much easier ways to cheat in non-public exams.
Al |
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| Alun Harford |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:36 am |
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"Dr A. N. Walker" <anw@maths.nott.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:dnbpp7$onb$1@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk...
[quote:64ecbfe154]In article <1134086594.349097.71550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
abe.buckingham@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd recommend memorizing the material - it's impossible to get caught
that way and is likely more reliable then most of those flakey picture
cell phones anyway.
I'd recommend understanding the material.
[/quote:64ecbfe154]
Sadly, this is a bad idea.
Our education system is geared towards memorising things, rather
understanding and thinking for yourself.
I guess it's easier to test memory than it is to test understanding.
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| Justin |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:46 am |
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In sci.math Stephen@mailinator.com wrote:
: A bunch of people cheated in my final exams using personal stereos.
: They recorded their notes onto tape and played them back during the
: exam.
(1) They were allowed to listen to stereos during the exam?!
(2) This doesn't seem particularly helpful. Was the exam merely the
regurgitating of notes? If not then how could you search through the
notes for the relevent material? Rewind-Fast Forward?!
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| Guest |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:02 am |
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abe.buckingham@gmail.com wrote:
[quote:bbbbde885e]Chris.Holland16@gmail.com wrote:
thought this would make a good utility on cellphones -
http://www.getjar.com/products/1007/StudyME
Or easier still, you could just take photos of pages from books using
your cell-phone.
You could also put in formulas using graphical calculators.
Any recommendations anyone ? Which is better - CASIO or Texas
instruments?
Could English people recommend anywhere that sell these.. argos don't
seem to stock these caclulators.
ps - cheating is WRONG, IMMORAL and you will get caught. Do not cheat.
I am just curious.
I'd recommend memorizing the material - it's impossible to get caught
that way and is likely more reliable then most of those flakey picture
cell phones anyway.
[/quote:bbbbde885e]
A bunch of people cheated in my final exams using personal stereos.
They recorded their notes onto tape and played them back during the
exam.
One of them got the highest mark in the year! |
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| Dr A. N. Walker |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:28 am |
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In article <1134086594.349097.71550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
<abe.buckingham@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:cac9f99f11]I'd recommend memorizing the material - it's impossible to get caught
that way and is likely more reliable then most of those flakey picture
cell phones anyway.
[/quote:cac9f99f11]
I'd recommend understanding the material. It has all the
advantages of memorising plus: you don't need to do the memorising
and it's a better foundation for more advanced work. Of course, it
won't work if you're stupid; but in that case neither will cheating
or memorising. Sadly, it seems to be out of fashion, and also to be
somewhat downplayed by the revision guides.
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Andy Walker, School of MathSci., Univ. of Nott'm, UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk |
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| Ian Johnston |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:47 am |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:28:39 UTC, anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N.
Walker) wrote:
: Sadly, it seems to be out of fashion, and also to be
: somewhat downplayed by the revision guides.
Welcome to the insane world of Outcomes Based Education.
Ian
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| Guest |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:35 am |
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Dr A. N. Walker wrote:
[quote:46b8c2f948]In article <1134086594.349097.71550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
abe.buckingham@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd recommend memorizing the material - it's impossible to get caught
that way and is likely more reliable then most of those flakey picture
cell phones anyway.
I'd recommend understanding the material. It has all the
advantages of memorising plus: you don't need to do the memorising
and it's a better foundation for more advanced work. Of course, it
won't work if you're stupid; but in that case neither will cheating
or memorising. Sadly, it seems to be out of fashion, and also to be
somewhat downplayed by the revision guides.
--
Andy Walker, School of MathSci., Univ. of Nott'm, UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
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Although this is a widely held believe, I consider it false.
Understanding is not enough especially in more advanced courses where
new definitions and theorems are introduced at a blistering pace. It's
unrealistic to expect understanding without a clearly memorized
definition especially in a test enviorment. You might argue that closed
book testing isn't of value, but for those of us who have to
participate in them memorization cannot be replaced by meer
understanding. |
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| The Drone |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:38 am |
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In article <dnbpp7$onb$1@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>, Dr A. N. Walker
<anw@maths.nott.ac.uk> writes
[quote:6e97eae6e8]I'd recommend understanding the material. It has all the
advantages of memorising plus: you don't need to do the memorising
and it's a better foundation for more advanced work.
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So far as it goes, I agree - particularly with understanding being "a
better foundation for more advanced work." in which case I would have
thought it was axiomatic.
This isn't necessarily the case where there is no aim for more advanced
work. Knowing a particular thing might be useful but its understanding
might be so difficult that it detracts from other, more appropriate
learning. I never understood the "least squares" (?) calculation for the
best fit of a straight line through a set of points but I've used the
formula several times. Sadly, I've used it so rarely that I never
memorised it either so I have to look it up (or use Excel!) but if I
needed it regularly, it would be remembered easily enough. For me, it's
enough to know it exists and what it does.
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| Matthew Huntbach |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:36 am |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 abe.buckingham@gmail.com wrote:
[quote:aa972c0460]Dr A. N. Walker wrote:
abe.buckingham@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd recommend memorizing the material - it's impossible to get caught
that way and is likely more reliable then most of those flakey
picture cell phones anyway.
I'd recommend understanding the material. It has all the
advantages of memorising plus: you don't need to do the memorising
and it's a better foundation for more advanced work.
Although this is a widely held believe, I consider it false.
Understanding is not enough especially in more advanced courses where
new definitions and theorems are introduced at a blistering pace. It's
unrealistic to expect understanding without a clearly memorized
definition especially in a test enviorment.
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You are wrong. I have 16 years of university level teaching, and
in my experience the belief that learning==memorisation is the
second most common cause of student failure (behind only laziness).
I teach computer programming, and I suspect the same applies to
the sort of stuff Andy teaches. The number of actual facts we have
to teach is fairly small, but the concepts are quite abstract.
If you understand the concepts, you can build up detailed examples
as required to solve problems given to you. Examples are given in
teaching to explain the concepts. But there is a significant proportion
of the class whose approach is to memorise the examples while failing
to understand what they were given to illustrate. Sometimes they put
an immense amount of effort into memorisation - every year I have
students who randomly regurgitate examples I've shown in the class,
sometimes down to typing errors I forgot to remove, and they almost
always fail because what they regurgitate bears little relationship
to the question, which is asking them to apply a technique, not
to reproduce an example of that technique applied to some other
situation (and that's when they get as far as understanding the
question enough to give an example of the right technique).
There is plenty of evidence that memorising patterns without
understanding the structure of patterns is a hugely more difficult
task than getting to understand the structure then viewing those
patterns in terms of those structures.
Matthew Huntbach |
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| Ian Johnston |
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:20 pm |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:36:57 UTC, Matthew Huntbach <mmh@dcs.qmul.ac.uk>
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: There is plenty of evidence that memorising patterns without
: understanding the structure of patterns is a hugely more difficult
: task than getting to understand the structure then viewing those
: patterns in terms of those structures.
Hear hear. Anyone who claims that memorisation is to be preferred to
"mere understanding" simply hasn't a clue.
Ian
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