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| David Johnston |
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On 5 Jun 2005 11:18:35 -0700, "L. Merk" <alr@catlover.com> wrote:
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Erik Max Francis wrote:
alr@catlover.com wrote:
Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.
I disagree. So do experts in the mental health field. It is *not*
healthy to lack the drive to explore.
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And yet most people do not in fact spend time going to new places to
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| Logan Kearsley |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:06 pm |
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"L. Merk" <alr@catlover.com> wrote in message
news:1117995515.238233.173540@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
[quote:a06178fe04]
Erik Max Francis wrote:
alr@catlover.com wrote:
Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic
lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive
to
explore.
You just gave anyone who was on the fence a convincing reason to never
take your posts seriously again. Congratulations.
I disagree. So do experts in the mental health field. It is *not*
healthy to lack the drive to explore.
[/quote:a06178fe04]
It is, however, perfectly healthy to lack the drive to explore
*geographically*, when the exploratory drive can be fulfilled much more
cheaply and usually with better guaranteed return on investment by other
means. Such as exploring the library. Or exploring a drop of water under a
microscope. Or to explore the social structure of your home town out in the
stix where you intend to live your whole life (using 'you' in the general
sense, there). Just to provide three examples.
-l.
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| Paul F. Dietz |
| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:20 pm |
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Erik Max Francis wrote:
[quote:e0185d5097]No, probably just another one of those radicals who thinks that
argumentum ad hominem isn't a sign of intellectual honesty.
[/quote:e0185d5097]
I admit, I'm playing the bad cop in this thread.
He reacted *beautifully*, don't you think?
Nothing like a stress test to find defect(ive)s.
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| Guest |
| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:51 am |
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Mr. Catlover aka Terry Austin surely is a bit scatterbrained, but at
least he is not a well known perpetrator of hoaxes, like yourself, Mr
Simberg.
Karl M. Syring |
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| Robert A. Woodward |
| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:51 am |
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In article <42d192b3.337578251@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote:
[quote:ffe951f172]On 6 Jun 2005 07:51:15 -0700, in a place far, far away,
syring@email.com made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as
to indicate that:
Mr. Catlover aka Terry Austin surely is a bit scatterbrained, but at
least he is not a well known perpetrator of hoaxes, like yourself, Mr
Simberg.
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Do you have a credible cite for that slander?
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Isn't it libel? (and which charge are you referring to? you being a
hoaxer or Terry Austin being "catlover"?)
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Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com>
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| Rand Simberg |
| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:16 pm |
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On 6 Jun 2005 07:51:15 -0700, in a place far, far away,
syring@email.com made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as
to indicate that:
[quote:bb16639f01]Mr. Catlover aka Terry Austin surely is a bit scatterbrained, but at
least he is not a well known perpetrator of hoaxes, like yourself, Mr
Simberg.
[/quote:bb16639f01]
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Do you have a credible cite for that slander? |
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| Rand Simberg |
| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:00 pm |
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:51:10 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Robert
A. Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
[quote:15e05cec5d]Mr. Catlover aka Terry Austin surely is a bit scatterbrained, but at
least he is not a well known perpetrator of hoaxes, like yourself, Mr
Simberg.
??
Do you have a credible cite for that slander?
Isn't it libel? (and which charge are you referring to?
[/quote:15e05cec5d]
That's unclear, when it occurs on Usenet. I don't think there have
been any rulings on it.
[quote:15e05cec5d]you being a
hoaxer or Terry Austin being "catlover"?)
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The former. I've no knowledge of, or interest in, Terry Austin's
feelings about cats. Or anything else, for that matter. |
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| Nix |
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:32 am |
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On 5 Jun 2005, hauntedriver@hotmail.com whispered secretively:
[quote:be67d6bca1]Either way, I suspect that a person suffering from autism or Asperger's
would have other offline obsessions, and that were they to become
obsessed with internet newsgroups, they would quickly suffer a
breakdown.
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Didn't everyone go through a stage of total Usenet-focus for a year or
so back when they first encountered it?
Eventually, one recovers.
[quote:be67d6bca1]That's not to say that compulsive newsgroup antagonists
don't suffer mental ill health, just that it's more likely to be
something other than either of these conditions. Loneliness and a lack
of career fulfillment must play a part in this.
[/quote:be67d6bca1]
Well, speaking as an Asperger's sufferer, I'm not lonely as long as I've
got an active net connection. Living alone is a *blessing*: there are no
people physically around to pose constant (horrible stressful) social
demands. The people on the other end of the net link are quite enough.
So while some may be lonely, it's not a requirement (indeed, we may
be more lonely-proof than the common man).
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to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:37 am |
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| Rand Simberg |
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:34 am |
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On 7 Jun 2005 07:37:31 -0700, in a place far, far away,
syring@email.com made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as
to indicate that:
[quote:41563e3ddf]The hoax thing is easy:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/split.asp
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That site doesn't support your claim--it negates it. It says that it
wasn't a hoax--it was satire. Can't you read the URL?
Moron. |
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| Jim |
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:48 pm |
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I almost hate to get involved in this thread, but I feel I must. I am
also a father to an autistic child.
She does nothing BUT explore. She is in every room, drawer, closet,
purse, shelf, container, shed, neighbor's house, car, etc etc etc.
Non-stop from when she wakes up until she is asleep, she is either
watching her favorite videos/shows or crawling under, over, into,
through, around; climbing up, down, etc.
So saying that all autistics do not want to explore is a generalization
that is not true.
Jim |
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| L. Merk |
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:07 pm |
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Jim wrote:
[quote:db30082f5e]I almost hate to get involved in this thread, but I feel I must. I am
also a father to an autistic child.
She does nothing BUT explore.
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Tell that to the moron Brenda Clough, who claims that humans explore
only for God, Gold, or Glory - never to satisfy curiosity and/or seek
adventure.
She is in every room, drawer, closet,
[quote:db30082f5e]purse, shelf, container, shed, neighbor's house, car, etc etc etc.
Non-stop from when she wakes up until she is asleep, she is either
watching her favorite videos/shows or crawling under, over, into,
through, around; climbing up, down, etc.
[/quote:db30082f5e]
That description would apply to just about every child I've observed.
[quote:db30082f5e]So saying that all autistics do not want to explore is a generalization
that is not true.
[/quote:db30082f5e]
But *no one* made that claim. What experts point out is that many
*severe* autistics manifestly lack a drive to explore. The point: it's
*not* normal to lack that drive. |
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| Paul F. Dietz |
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:14 pm |
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L. Merk wrote:
[quote:c4b24a1483]So saying that all autistics do not want to explore is a generalization
that is not true.
But *no one* made that claim. What experts point out is that many
*severe* autistics manifestly lack a drive to explore. The point: it's
*not* normal to lack that drive.
[/quote:c4b24a1483]
You see, 'L.', what you're doing in this thread is pulling
a fast one with definitions. You use different ones depending
on what you're trying to show.
If you want to show that (just about everyone) has a drive
to 'explore', you use a very broad definition.
But then when you want to argue that space exploration
is necessary, or that people who don't feel driven to visit
Mars are autistic, you use a very narrow definition. Otherwise,
why don't all those innumerable opportunities for exploration
(sic) in everyday life, the ones used to show we're all
explorers (sic), serve to satisfy that putative drive?
Paul |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:30 pm |
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Paul F. Dietz wrote:
[quote:bdcc82480e]L. Merk wrote:
So saying that all autistics do not want to explore is a generalization
that is not true.
But *no one* made that claim. What experts point out is that many
*severe* autistics manifestly lack a drive to explore. The point: it's
*not* normal to lack that drive.
You see, 'L.', what you're doing in this thread is pulling
a fast one with definitions. You use different ones depending
on what you're trying to show.
If you want to show that (just about everyone) has a drive
to 'explore', you use a very broad definition.
But then when you want to argue that space exploration
is necessary, or that people who don't feel driven to visit
Mars are autistic, you use a very narrow definition. Otherwise,
why don't all those innumerable opportunities for exploration
(sic) in everyday life, the ones used to show we're all
explorers (sic), serve to satisfy that putative drive?
Paul
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GOOD SHOW! |
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| Matt Giwer |
| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:38 am |
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alr@catlover.com wrote:
[quote:e336c658a0]Experts point out that unlike normal people, the severely autistic lack
the urge to explore the world. Hmm. This could explain a few things
about certain posters in these newsgroups, who claim to lack a drive to
explore.
"And how do you educate severely autistic children? How do you teach
those who, for the most part, have no language, and no particular
compulsion to acquire it, who are BORN WITHOUT THE NEED TO EXPLORE THE
WORLD, who would rather spin round and round in a circle, or do the
same jigsaw over and over again, than play games with their peers, who
won't make eye-contact, or copy, and who fight bitterly (and sometimes
literally, with nails and teeth and small fists) for the right to
remain sealed in their own world?" - Nick Hornby, renown expert on
autism
http://www.penguin.co.uk/static/cs/uk/0/minisites/nickhornby/treehouse/swta.html
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From which we conclude people who have not geographically explored the world are autisitic. And
only a handful ever have, authism is the norm for 99.999999% of humans. QED
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