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| Mr. Wizard |
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Does anyone know of any companies that manufacture polymer from
environmentally friendly materials? I'm looking to purchase some to
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| Uncle Al |
| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:46 am |
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"Mr. Wizard" wrote:
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Does anyone know of any companies that manufacture polymer from
environmentally friendly materials? I'm looking to purchase some to
run tests on.
"environmentally friendly" is a bullshit phrase. It is used to fill
your pockets and punish your enemies. It is an instrument of
jackbooted State compassion and revenue - EPA, OSHA, Haz-Mat.
Which is more "environmentally friendly," git - petrochemical
synthesis of high performance polymer, or farming and processing of
natural crappy biopolymer? No matter how you slice it - labor,
energy, manufacturing effluents, waste during and after use, cost/unit
operation - the petrochemistry wins by a huge margin.
Uncle Al says, "A two gallon toilet is not more "environmentally
friendly" than a five gallon flush if you have to hit the handle three
times."
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
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| Frank Logullo |
| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:00 am |
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"Mr. Wizard" <mr_wizard2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:52cbc7e4.0309260756.5d396ce@posting.google.com...
Quote: Does anyone know of any companies that manufacture polymer from
environmentally friendly materials? I'm looking to purchase some to
run tests on.
Why not investigate that polymer made from coal, air and water - all
environmentally friendly materials.
Can't remember its name but Google will probably find.
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| Frank Logullo |
| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:52 pm |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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Quote: "Mr. Wizard" wrote:
Does anyone know of any companies that manufacture polymer from
environmentally friendly materials? I'm looking to purchase some to
run tests on.
"environmentally friendly" is a bullshit phrase. It is used to fill
your pockets and punish your enemies. It is an instrument of
jackbooted State compassion and revenue - EPA, OSHA, Haz-Mat.
Which is more "environmentally friendly," git - petrochemical
synthesis of high performance polymer, or farming and processing of
natural crappy biopolymer? No matter how you slice it - labor,
energy, manufacturing effluents, waste during and after use, cost/unit
operation - the petrochemistry wins by a huge margin.
Uncle Al says, "A two gallon toilet is not more "environmentally
friendly" than a five gallon flush if you have to hit the handle three
times."
Synthetic fiber business started with rayon and triacetate. I've seen both
processes. While the cellulose is practically free, the processes are a
mess, costing much more then PET fibers for example and are considerably
more polluting. (Paper is a natural polymer but nobody in their right mind
wants to live downstream of a paper mill.) Even if you get the fiber for
free, like cotton, the cost of farming, heavy equipment processing, etc.
give a much less environmentally friendly fiber than PET. But, then the
average person is technically illiterate and clambers for natural materials
and the government supports them because that is where the votes come from
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| Quinn |
| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 1:27 pm |
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For a polymer made from corn:
www.cargilldow.com
"Mr. Wizard" <mr_wizard2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Does anyone know of any companies that manufacture polymer from
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| Dave Palmer |
| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:57 am |
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For green polymers I would recommend talking to a masterbatch
company like Clariant.
They can also help you with red polymers, blue polymers, yellow
polymers, oragnge polymers, etc.
Dave Palmer
(773) 955-2223
palmdav@iit.edu |
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| Gordon Couger |
| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:57 pm |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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Quote: "Mr. Wizard" wrote:
Does anyone know of any companies that manufacture polymer from
environmentally friendly materials? I'm looking to purchase some to
run tests on.
"environmentally friendly" is a bullshit phrase. It is used to fill
your pockets and punish your enemies. It is an instrument of
jackbooted State compassion and revenue - EPA, OSHA, Haz-Mat.
Which is more "environmentally friendly," git - petrochemical
synthesis of high performance polymer, or farming and processing of
natural crappy biopolymer? No matter how you slice it - labor,
energy, manufacturing effluents, waste during and after use, cost/unit
operation - the petrochemistry wins by a huge margin.
Uncle Al says, "A two gallon toilet is not more "environmentally
friendly" than a five gallon flush if you have to hit the handle three
times."
Your right Al most environmentally friendly products are anything but good
for the environment but I sure like gasohol, biodiesel, natural plastics and
any other renewal fuel or material made from agricultural crops. They will
sure drive up the price of cotton, corn and soybeans because they are so
inefficient that the whole US oil crush would run 100,000 thousand trucks
something less than 20,000 miles on biodiesel.
It sure will help the price of cotton seed, soybeans and corn if we try to
make fuel from them. And that's money in my pocket.
The most effect way to get energy from corn is to burn it in a wood pellet
stove. the heat from burning corn at 2 dollar a bushel is equal to propane
at 50 cents a gallon if you can get the same efficiency from the corn and
you get from propane. The more you process the corn the worse the efficiency
gets.
Keep supporting the green party it was Ralph Nader that won the election for
Bush last time and as long as greens run candidate it splits the liberal
vote. So you should be supporting green candidates there is no way they can
win even in the People Republic of Kalifornia.
Gordon |
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